papadage wrote:
It can support more expensive places, but only a few of them, and the menu, execution and service need to support it. Talde's food was never at that level. Why got there when Satis is better, and there are better bars in town now.

moobycow wrote:
IMO, that is kind of the problem. DTJC just isn't that large of a place and has no theater or the like to support the nice dinner and a night out crowd from out of town.

When it comes down to it, if you want to have a very good, upscale restaurant scene you need something to do before or after the dinner to sustain that.

The JC market is people going out for a bite/drinks with friends and families and that market isn't going to sustain a lot of different upscale options.

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Carrina, B&G and Talde were upscale additions to the neighborhood and we're hoping that the rumors here are unfounded.

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I can't agree with you on the Marco Pepe comment. I was a big fan and patron of M&P for my first few years in town. However, about 4 years ago my experiences deteriorated dramatically. I still return once a year with some hope and invariably I'm disappointed.

Regardless. I do hope Talde survives. However, I think the formula may be to more of a restaurant and less of a night club with the loud music. Also, perhaps change the menu to high end Italian, not Italian American. Over all my suggestion is to appeal more to an adult market. Not the vomit set.
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Meanwhile, Marco & Pepe, Taqueria, Beechwood, Park & Sixth, Roman Nose, Orale, all well regarded and seem to be doing OK. I'm sure there are others.

FWIW, I don't need some "restaurant scene," I don't care about the opinions of snobby foodies. Good restaurants will do the trick.

Same experience with M&P. I used to feel like their brunch was genuinely good while being one of the few options in the beginning. Now there are so many other choices and they seem to have stopped giving a shit around four years ago. Sucks because I think there is room for M&P even with all the restaurants because they offered items/atmosphere no one else has but it's like they just got comfortable and decided to stop caring about the food and as a result I stopped tolerating the terrible service. I have no idea how people can continue to spend money there- I try to give them a chance like once a year and I always regret it.

Agreed. Stopped going years ago. Refuse to go back. Mediocre food at a high price point.

WordsOfaHooker wrote:
it was really phenomenal. Yes, it was expensive, but the food was amazing

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I can't agree with you on the Marco Pepe comment. I was a big fan and patron of M&P for my first few years in town. However, about 4 years ago my experiences deteriorated dramatically. I still return once a year with some hope and invariably I'm disappointed.

Regardless. I do hope Talde survives. However, I think the formula may be to more of a restaurant and less of a night club with the loud music. Also, perhaps change the menu to high end Italian, not Italian American. Over all my suggestion is to appeal more to an adult market. Not the vomit set.
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Meanwhile, Marco & Pepe, Taqueria, Beechwood, Park & Sixth, Roman Nose, Orale, all well regarded and seem to be doing OK. I'm sure there are others.

FWIW, I don't need some "restaurant scene," I don't care about the opinions of snobby foodies. Good restaurants will do the trick.

Same experience with M&P. I used to feel like their brunch was genuinely good while being one of the few options in the beginning. Now there are so many other choices and they seem to have stopped giving a shit around four years ago. Sucks because I think there is room for M&P even with all the restaurants because they offered items/atmosphere no one else has but it's like they just got comfortable and decided to stop caring about the food and as a result I stopped tolerating the terrible service. I have no idea how people can continue to spend money there- I try to give them a chance like once a year and I always regret it.

Sutherland wrote:
I can't agree with you on the Marco Pepe comment. I was a big fan and patron of M&P for my first few years in town. However, about 4 years ago my experiences deteriorated dramatically. I still return once a year with some hope and invariably I'm disappointed.

Regardless. I do hope Talde survives. However, I think the formula may be to more of a restaurant and less of a night club with the loud music. Also, perhaps change the menu to high end Italian, not Italian American. Over all my suggestion is to appeal more to an adult market. Not the vomit set.
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Meanwhile, Marco & Pepe, Taqueria, Beechwood, Park & Sixth, Roman Nose, Orale, all well regarded and seem to be doing OK. I'm sure there are others.

FWIW, I don't need some "restaurant scene," I don't care about the opinions of snobby foodies. Good restaurants will do the trick.

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High profile restaurants closing in JC is not good. Maybe some of you were rooting for Talde to close, but I view this as a bad thing.

I do agree that the closing of high profile restaurants is not a good thing. This would be the third high profile place to close (if indeed it is closing) all within a few months. Hopefully that is not the case.

As for the other stuff, I am not too worried. Plenty of good places still around, and enough options to try a different place or two every week and still have a fun, varied experience.

tommyc_37 wrote:
High profile restaurants closing in JC is not good. Maybe some of you were rooting for Talde to close, but I view this as a bad thing.

EasyGibson wrote:
Also live right next to Talde and agree that the place is dead on weekdays. Sometimes it's maybe half full, but nobody is ever at the bar on a weekday. You'd think they could drag me in there, being I live next door, but there's never a beer or mixed special that I'm at all interested in. If you can't compete in some way with Barcade(craft and happy hour) or Rolon's(Rolon's), you're not getting my money.

Why pay $7 for craft at Talde when I'm getting it for $5 at Barcade at HH, and why pay $5 for a Yuengling at Talde when I'm getting it for $3 across the street at Keyhole?

Math, yo.


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Whole Foods?

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it's awful that restaurants are shuttering... they always seem busy whenever I walk by...perhaps the rent was too high? Might the landlords be asking for more than is reasonable in jersey city?

I agree. I heard the rumor a month or so ago. Seems like there has always been a general disconnect between where JC is at in the present moment and where business owners or restaurateurs think JC should be at or how fast it'll get there. Disconnect is probably occurring on many levels (landlords, business owners, etc.).
Strange that they would put so much time and money into these operations and bail, but you never know what's happening behind the scenes or who is paying for this stuff.

I agree with you on that disconnect. My belief is that landlords are putting the cart before the horse as far as rent goes and that restauranteurs are sometimes blindly ignoring that we are still very much a bedroom community.

But....don't the Talde guys own the building?

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asny10011 wrote:
it's awful that restaurants are shuttering... they always seem busy whenever I walk by...perhaps the rent was too high? Might the landlords be asking for more than is reasonable in jersey city?

I agree. I heard the rumor a month or so ago. Seems like there has always been a general disconnect between where JC is at in the present moment and where business owners or restaurateurs think JC should be at or how fast it'll get there. Disconnect is probably occurring on many levels (landlords, business owners, etc.).
Strange that they would put so much time and money into these operations and bail, but you never know what's happening behind the scenes or who is paying for this stuff.

I agree with you on that disconnect. My belief is that landlords are putting the cart before the horse as far as rent goes and that restauranteurs are sometimes blindly ignoring that we are still very much a bedroom community.

Meanwhile, Marco & Pepe, Taqueria, Beechwood, Park & Sixth, Roman Nose, Orale, all well regarded and seem to be doing OK. I'm sure there are others.

FWIW, I don't need some "restaurant scene," I don't care about the opinions of snobby foodies. Good restaurants will do the trick.

tommyc_37 wrote:
High profile restaurants closing in JC is not good.

I don't think JC is a place to have a restaurant in a physically massive, cavernous space.

One can't feel too hopeful or positive about all those large spaces on Newark Ave that are either empty now or will be empty soon.

This is a blow to JC's restaurant scene, which only a year ago was held in very high regard. I hope we're not destined for "Bar and Grill" hell, like Hoboken.

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One can't feel too hopeful or positive about all those large spaces on Newark Ave that are either empty now or will be empty soon. The best bet to fill those is combine 2-3 of the spaces and build out a food hall type of situation, which is incredibly popular right now and understandably so. It's casual and fun. Even Staten Island is getting one.

TheBigGuy wrote:
LOL my thought exactly, overpriced menu served with an attitude maybe to obvious?

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trambone wrote:
butterscotch scallops... thats all you need to know about it closing.

trambone wrote:
butterscotch scallops... thats all you need to know about it closing.