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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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that's my problem with fulop. he'd rather find fault with proper taxation/reval, yet he defends tax abatements. is he healy lite or what? yes, he has curtailed them downtown somewhat, but he needs to be working on a plan to eliminate themQuote:

Yvonne wrote:
I just left the Van Vorst meeting on tax appeals and Mayor Fulop was there talking about the virtue of tax abatements. Naturally, he left out the part that tax abatements are not ratables and only ratables can stabilize or lower the tax rate.

Posted on: 2/20 22:53
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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well, it is definitely time for fulop to curtail, if not eliminate, these sweetheart deals imo. Quote:

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Loan? That is silly, the city reduced the pilots payments several years ago due to water rates on a senior building. They were paying 18% and water was extra. The owners came back because newer developments are only paying 6.28% to the city. No, the problem are these sweetheart deals, by the way those seniors in those buildings are still paying one third of their income, but the owners want a guaranteed profit, so why should anyone get a guarantee when the city takes our properties and place them into lien? The problem is a rigged system that protects tax abated buildings both affordable and market rate.

Posted on: 2/20 18:22
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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i feel for your 90-year old neighbor, but life is full of hardships. maybe the city should provide him/her with a loan to cover taxes and take out a lien on the property, but then again why can't that 90-year old person sell his/her property.

i don't think you appreciate how much dtjc has changed. check out some of the restaurants getting $20 for a smallish martini? that's disposable income speaking!Quote:

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Here is the difference, people should not be forced to sell while the city is still giving out sweetheart tax abatements. There is something wrong with that. Besides, my former neighbor who is 90 has an adult son who is disable mentally, moving from an area that he lived in since a child would be hard on him, that is one example. Another neighbor has around the clock care for MS, her money goes there. I could keep going on. The taxes are high because tax abatements are not ratables and only ratables can lower or stabilize taxes. It is the reason Hoboken had two revaluation and did not have this problem.

Posted on: 2/20 16:58
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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yvonne, i hear you but i think things are a lot different now compared to 1988. i think a lot of people knew that dtjc taxes would rise a lot and i think that the dtjc population is more affluent compared to that of 1988. sure, some seniors will be adversely impacted, but why can't they sell. i could understand not being able to sell if the market is weak, but i don't think that is the case.

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Hero69, there is a difference of working the system by not declaring all of your income and those people who are erroneously over assessed. It is really sad you do not understand the difference. As I mentioned before, I saw long term homeowners lose their homes. There was an article written in the Jersey City Reporter by E. Assata Wright about homeless people staying warm in the Emergency Room of the Medical Center. One of the people in the article stated his family lost their home downtown and when he mentioned the year, this person was a victim of the revaluation. You do not lose their apartment in subsidized housing you just pay according to your income.

Posted on: 2/20 16:35
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Re: What’s going there? (Journal Square edition)
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i agree 150% that a museum in journal square is not the brightest idea. i think along the waterfront or near liberty science center makes more sense as it might be able to leverage off the foot traffic downtown/tourist, the mall or liberty science centerQuote:

brewster wrote:
Because the city record with museums and community centers is so great??? The previous expensively renovated museum on Montgomery was absurdly underutilized, there was a sweet little theater in there that was never used. And the school on 9th is supposed to be a community center too. Anybody ever go there? When HPNA wanted to meet there they made it such a PITA we stopped trying. I recall the gym was leased to St Anthonys to help pay the absurd cost of the building, what's doing there now? So here we go again!

Posted on: 2/20 15:43
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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well, there are always people who are going to try to work the system. besides, in some countries/societies, formal marriage is considered passe. Quote:

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Hero69, property taxes are paid on the ability to pay. There are people who use the system because the system allows itself to be used. Low income housing requires one third of income for rent. Couples get around that by not marrying having children and only showing one income. A friend remarried after her husband died, she was not working during her first marriage. When she remarried her rent went up four times and her neighbors chided her for doing this. Yes, she moved out. Do I blame the people who work the system? No. But no matter how you look at it, it is wrong. And Reverend Perry is wrong to admonish one group while asking for affordable housing for Bayfront.

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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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society is built on subsidizing others...where do non-profits and charities get their funding? art museums? what about funding for highways and mass transit?what about funding/grants for medical research? i could go on but why bother?Quote:

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Yvonne wrote:
By the way, shame for Reverend Perry for admonishing downtown homeowners for their tax bills. He belongs to Jersey City Together and that group asked for affordable housing for Bayfront. Affordable housing is limited taxes.


Hahaha!!

Yvonne is actually correct! And heartless.

hey Yvonne, what's your opinion on 99 Hudson? The building is not receiving no tax abatement and will add hundreds of millions to the ratable base. Plus, the building and its residents won't be consuming much city services (police, public schools)
It single handily will result in a small tax rate cut for the entire city when it's built due to the amount of property tax revenue it will generate, net of municipal costs to service it. Would you supportive of more 99 Hudson's being built.


Neither did I receive any city services except garbage. No one knows the income of residents when they receive a tax bill or whether a spouse lost their jobs. I am speaking the truth. Taxpayers should stop subsidizing others, there should be no free rides. As it is $80 million is not paid. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... sey_city_tax_abateme.html

Posted on: 2/20 13:39
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Re: Battle against the "Bayonne Box" in The Heights
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is the city now allowing 90% lot coverage with these bayonne boxes. wth. what is the ratioanle for doing this?

Posted on: 2/18 2:01
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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well, maybe its time for fulop and team to stop handing out tax abatements as if they're halloween candy

Posted on: 2/17 0:25
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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it seems like annual reassesments would be fair given the expected strenth in other parts of jc.

Posted on: 2/14 15:53
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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just curious, when is the next reval ? or is it down annually using some type of algorithim because house prices in other parts of jc, namely the heights, are definitely going up a lot.

Posted on: 2/14 14:34
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Re: In Jersey City, Murphy signs executive order creating commission for Puerto Rico relief
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murphy should be focused on nj and its problems....puerto rico is a commonwealth with its own governor. puerto rico created its own problems. if its citizens had been paying taxes properly, then it would not be in such a dire situation.Quote:

Stringer wrote:

In Jersey City, Murphy signs executive order creating commission for Puerto Rico relief


Posted on: 2/14 13:47
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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i am all in favor of not creating hardships for seniors, but if someone is living in a $2.5 million house, then why can't they sell? alternatively, instead of giving seniors a handout in the form of a tax freeze, the city should offer them loans against the future sale/transfer on death. this seems more reasonable imo

Posted on: 2/14 13:43
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Re: Thousands Taken in Jersey City Burglary (Newport)
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how would the burglars know the pin for the debit card, unless the victim gave it to the burglars?Quote:

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Feb 8 2018 - 1:52pm

Police in Jersey City are investigating a burglary that occurred over the weekend at a residence in the city.

Authorities say officers responded to 110 River Drive South for a report of a burglary in progress.

Upon arriving at the scene, officers spoke with the 31-year-old victim who claims he noticed unusual charges to two of his debit cards on Saturday Feb. 3rd.

According to the victim, over the course of the next following days, he noticed jewelry and cash missing from his residence with an estimated total value of more than $9,000.

The the investigation remains active and ongoing.

There were no arrests reported by police.

https://www.rlsmedia.com/article/burgl ... -city-under-investigation

Posted on: 2/9 19:11
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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i wonder if landlords in the less affluent areas will be lowering rents on their tenants?

also, does any one have some chart, figures indicating overall overall under/over valuation for different sections of the city?

Posted on: 2/9 19:09
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Re: JC Real estate Ar·ma·ged·don - Supply glut!
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if downtown is going to plummet due to reval, shouldn't other areas at least flatline or rise due to it?Quote:

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I noticed that JC real estate listings on Zillow and other sites have sky rocketed. I am talking about 1000% plus supply flooding the market.

JC RE Honeymoon over! My prediction, We are venturing into 10+ years of Jersey City real estate depression. Don't expect foreigners to bail us out, nor our next door multi-millionaire investors. Everyone invests for one reason, Returns!!!! There is no meat left in our RE market.

Multiple blows - Reval & Property Taxes, 10 Years plus Equity Market run-up coming to an end, Bond Yields negatively impacting other investments, Rising interest rates, Problem with our schools and most importantly - Artificially inflated asset prices...

Vulture investors sit on the sideline - 60% plus downside.

Posted on: 2/9 9:54
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Re: Krispy Kreme Doughnuts
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true that portions in the us tend to be too big, but i also believe that fast food, potato chips, coke/pepsi, fried chicken, bbq ribs, candy bars etc are also integral parts of the american diet.

these may be foods that people want, but they are not healthy. check out the increase in diabetes in developing countries where people are opting to eat more american style foods. i travel often and i feel so sad when i see kids that are so obese because of poor food choices. i takes like 30 minutes of running[ to burn off that snickers.quote]
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chile is fighting the war on obesity. if any of you travel much, you'll notice how bad the american diet is for obesity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/hea ... m-well&WT.nav=bottom-well


American diet is just fine. It's just the portions the here. People tend to serve a lot more and eat everything that's served. Even within America, if you go to the rural areas where obesity is more prevalent, portions are far bigger than they are in place like New York City.
Locally, Brownstone Dinner for me an example of place where they serve huge portions and tend to have more obese customers as well. [/quote]

Posted on: 2/8 16:03
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Re: Krispy Kreme Doughnuts
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chile is fighting the war on obesity. if any of you travel much, you'll notice how bad the american diet is for obesity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/hea ... m-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

Posted on: 2/8 13:52
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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i'm hoping one of those $2 million houses fall to $1.37 million. Quote:

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Last house on there. Facing Van Vorst, on market for $3mm with a $41k tax bill (previously $16k). Who on earth is going to pony up for such a place?? The astronomical values of high end places like this one along with complete gut jobs on the market for $1mm downtown will have to be corrected down to realistic levels...fast.


Don't worry about that. The real estate sharks are in the water already. They sense panic and feed on it. There are some beautiful areas in JC that NYC people with real money will gobble up.


Posted on: 2/8 13:48
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Re: Former dominatrix fights to keep job as sheriff's officer
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shame.Quote:

Stringer wrote:

Former dominatrix fired from Hudson County Sheriff's Office

JERSEY CITY -- The Hudson County Sheriff's Office rookie who previously worked as a paid dominatrix and appeared in multiple fetish videos online was officially fired today.  

Hudson County Sheriff Frank Schillari confirmed that a hearing officer presiding over Officer Kristen Hyman's disciplinary hearing made the determination to terminate her this afternoon, adding, "I agree with the hearing officer."

A source said the key reason Hyman was terminated was for lying about her prior work as a dominatrix on her sheriff's office application, although it's possible she would not have made it into the academy had she been honest about her past.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... udson_county_sheriff.html


Posted on: 2/8 13:36
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Re: Article: Dense zoning is the solution to housing costs
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maybe the state should announce a plan to eventually require jc, newark and others to fund all/most of their systems. its time to stop the abatements. Quote:

JCGuys wrote:
Good article.

Jersey will never be tax fair.

Tax abated properties also add more revenue to the city in the form of pilot payments. It's the county and school board that get shafted by the under assessment of land and by abatements.

Posted on: 2/7 14:00
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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agreed. very few people want to pay for things. i always laugh when other liberals get upset about raising the sales tax because it will hurt the poor. i counter that it isn't the poor spending $500 on a pair of jeans or shoes, and that if they are, then they are not really that poor.

people want better subway/PATH/train service, then they should be prepared to pay for it through higher fares. Quote:

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Like I said earlier, it is incredibly rich to see so many self-avowed liberals become overnight fiscal conservatives demanding more out of less, and crying unfair taxation.


Reminds of a cocktail party I went to waaay back in the 90s, when an acquaintance of mine introduced me to a Republican couple who were prominent at the time. Everything was free market this and free market that with these people, until you someone pointed out that they were living in a pretty sweet rent-controlled three-bedroom apartment on the Upper West Side. Then it was all "Hands off our rent-controlled apartment! We're entitled to this apartment!"


Like I said, when it comes to taxes and money, people can become irrational and their proclamations are often hollow and counter to the principles they claim to hold.

But, there is a certain irony to be an ardent liberal, always clamoring for more free things for everyone, and then overnight be arguing against progressive tax policies, and other such schemes that are absolutely necessary to pay and offer all these additional services.

Currently, there is an all time high clamor for free/national healthcare, universal paid family leave, free preK schooling, increased government programs, etc. I dont think many people argue against how awesome it would be to have all of that, and so much more. But, when it comes to paying for all of that, the conversation quickly turns to "why should I have to pay for that?" At some point, you have to be OK with being asked to help pay for expanded services if you are clamoring for that.

Posted on: 2/5 15:29
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Re: Big crime scene on JFK near JSQ?
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would it hurt for the city/state to install some type of specialized roadway or speeds bumps, etcthat forces cars to slow down in pedestrian zones? how many more people must die/be injured before authorities do something?

Posted on: 1/23 9:02
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Re: New Amazon HQ
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i know what you did last summer! or was that summer of 59?Quote:

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Amazon wasn't looking for the opinions of clueless bigots from Jersey?

Webmaster please delete response #27 from psyopit it has no bearing on the topic. It is offending to the citizens of New Jersey.


It is sad how crazy, reactionary and unhinged some people on this site have become. We could be talking about liking or disliking vanilla ice cream... and some whacko would call you a racist for not including chocolate ice cream as part of the conversation.


I simply replied about 2 people on this message board who are both known for posting bigoted comments, one of which constantly posts things that are questionably factual at best.
A bit harsh probably but not untrue.


It is your opinion that my comments are bigoted, personally, I believe your opinions are bullying. Anyone that has a different point of view you attack. In a plural society people do have different opinions. This country is not ISIS where only one set of facts are recognized. So lets keep it that way.

Posted on: 1/20 1:22
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Re: PATH (pathetic attempt at transporting humans)
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i'm just now reading nyt magazine article about nyc subway:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/mag ... on-wealth-inequality.html

article makes me appreciate PATH and the subway more...maybe fares should be raised to make necessary improvements?

Posted on: 1/14 6:03
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Re: N.J. to turn 240 acres of Liberty State Park into wildlife oasis
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no, i think we should build a walmart or amazon distribution center on that land.Quote:

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Honestly this is just a bunch of Eco pandering. Our area has a crap ton of wetland over on the other side of JC in the Hackensack and Passaic estuaries.

You mean, like the huge landfills in North Arlington and Linden? The areas in between Route 3 and the Meadowlands Sports Complex?


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I'd love to see a dozen ball fields built on that land then Enos Jones Park could be used for a neighborhood park rather than being owned by the Baseball Mafia.

A dozen ballfields? Get thee to a suburb!

I for one will pass on that. I'd much rather have a big restored habitat, with public access, than a bunch of ball fields.

I'm not holding my breath on this, but am crossing my fingers. ;)

Posted on: 1/11 16:38
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Re: N.J. to turn 240 acres of Liberty State Park into wildlife oasis
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awesome...but i am still opposed to a marinaQuote:

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N.J. to turn 240 acres of Liberty State Park into wildlife oasis

Updated 12:19 PM; Posted 12:08 PM (1/11/2018)
By Terrence T. McDonald tmcdonald@jjournal.com

The Jersey Journal

JERSEY CITY -- A 240-acre section of Liberty State Park that has been closed to the public for decades because of contamination would be transformed into a "mosaic" of freshwater wetlands, salt marshes, forests and grasslands under a plan announced today by Gov. Chris Christie's administration.

The state Department of Environmental Protection, under fire by park advocates for its plan to add a 45-acre marina to the southern end of the 1,200-acre park, intends to spend tens of millions of dollars on the restoration, using money obtained from polluters, DEP commissioner Bob Martin said today in a statement.


http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... f.html#incart_2box_hudson

Posted on: 1/11 12:41
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Re: Jersey City's approach to legalization:
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perhaps the na's will take a nimby approach, or maybe next. was there a lot of na resistance in other states/cities that allow municipal marijuana. i would think ideal locations would be along the commercial strips Quote:

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Time to for supporters to pack the NA meetings and demand they be allowed to be opened Downtown. The NIMBYs in those groups will relegate these shops to dangerous and obscure parts of the city if they can and will most likely use hyperbolic "think of the children arguments" to get the city to comply.

Posted on: 1/11 11:42
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Re: Legal Weed Is Coming to New Jersey
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legal weed in jersey city would be great as long asthe city gets its fair share of the tax revenue.Quote:

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By Payton Guion pguion@njadvancemedia.com,
NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

With the marijuana legalization debate set to heat up this year in New Jersey, leaders in two of the state's highest-profile towns say they have no problem with weed businesses in their cities.

Should state lawmakers legalize pot, count Jersey City and Asbury Park among those likely to be a part of what could eventually be a billion-dollar industry.

A bill to legalize recreational marijuana lets municipalities to decide if they want to allow pot sales and production, or miss out on millions in tax revenue.

On Wednesday, Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop tweeted that he and city officials would be working with the public to "clean up" zoning laws to clarify where dispensaries and grow facilities would be allowed to operate.

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Re: PATH (pathetic attempt at transporting humans)
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i wish PATH had countdown clocks at the entrances to the stations so people know when trains are coming and i replace the elevators and grove street escalator with something that does not break down. why are the nyc subway and nj transit light rail so much more reliable? why not not fully enclose the main entrance to the grove street PATH so that the escalator is not exposed to the elements.

it is ridiculous that the elderly/handicapped and pregnant women/women with baby strollers have to climb those stairs.

Posted on: 1/11 0:18
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