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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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It would be constitutionally offensive to take away the statute of limitations. There are alleged defendant's who are dead. How can they defend themselves or be adequately represented? It's incredibly unfair. We still believe in the "innocent until proven guilty" doctrine. A lot of people make false allegations.

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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Of those on the list:

34 are dead

32 have been permanently removed from ministry. Of those 12 have only one allegation against them.

Certainly, one is too many. But again, these are only allegations. Credible, means it's something that COULD happen, not something that did happen.

It seems to me based upon the numbers that have been removed from ministry, the Newark Archdiocese actually acted on the claims when they were really credible.

There is nothing in the report to suggest that any or which of the alleged instances of abuse occurred in Hudson Co. or Jersey City.

It's important to read critically, if you have the heft to do so.

Posted on: 2/13 11:39
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Re: The SUV Phenomenon
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Dude, pack up your SUV and your wife's van and move to Maplewood or better yet Whitehouse Station!!

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Dude, you are making a fool out of yourself: those two specific examples (Mazda CX5 and Acura RDX) are VERY short by SUV standards. In fact, they are both shorter than the average mid size sedan, certainly shorter than a Ford Fusion.

I am not trying to argue or defend the ownership of SUVs (people can own whatever they choose!) but your stance just comes across as petty and misguided when your justifications are based on misconceptions.

You can keep spouting your crank, but it is nothing more than shaking your fist at the sky: you will accomplish nothing because your argument and logic are not based on facts, just feelings and misconceptions.

Posted on: 2/11 12:47
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Re: The SUV Phenomenon
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I supposed I've surmised it's a suburban mentality thing, because suburban people have driveways, have more of a need to drive around and particularly across highways to other suburbs to meet up with their other suburban friends or go to their jobs in other suburban towns, take their suburban children to their travel sports and play dates. So all of this driving makes them feel they need what they falsely perceive or ostensibly persuade themselves to be a "safer" vehicle.

When I first moved downtown 18 years ago from J. Sq where i lived for 10 years, those people who had cars, mostly had hatchback kinda cars or smaller jeepish kinda cars. These people were more artist types who needed to tote their work around.

It's in more recent years that I've seen more Hummers, stupid utility vehicles, large vans etc. So, I've imputed a suburban take on it.

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I agree with you that most people own a larger vehicle than they need, but I don't see how it's a "suburban mentality".

Every major US city that I have visited is rammed full of SUVs. All of Hudson county, Newark, NYC, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Wilmington, DC, Boston, LA, and Vegas - full of SUVs.

I mean, I lived in Hong Kong for three years, which doesn't even have suburbs in the American sense (even its "suburban" areas are more dense than most US cities) and that city had plenty of SUVs.

I'm originally from the UK, where SUV ownership is much lower - not because people don't want them, but because people can't afford them. They're a status symbol, and where do you see the most SUVs in the UK? The place where more can afford them - London.

Posted on: 2/10 13:09
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Re: The SUV Phenomenon
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In my earlier post I made it clear I was distinguishing between bigger SUVs mostly crossovers like the Acura RDX, Mazda CX5 etc and the huge SUVs like Hummers, utility trucks, vans etc.

But your need to defend your position on the SUV thing, suggests you should probably move to Montclair or Maplewood.
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Thankfully, you are not in charge of public policy. Here is the problem with your stand: some SUVs are so compact as to be smaller than most mid-size sedans. Heck, of the top 10 SUVs sold in the US last year, almost all are about the same length as a Ford Fusion, with only two being about a foot longer.

Posted on: 2/9 8:12
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Re: The SUV Phenomenon
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Anyone who voluntarily wants to own a huge car is free to pay to park it in a garage somewhere if they want. But owning a huge car in a city is ridiculous. It's a very, very suburban mentality. And it exacerbates the parking problem. And it's just plain out stupid.

Posted on: 2/7 16:15
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Re: The SUV Phenomenon
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Owners of large SUV's should have to pay $1,500 a year for their residential parking stickers. Owners of commercial vehicles should have to pay $4,000.00 a year for a residential parking sticker

Posted on: 2/7 11:34
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Re: The SUV Phenomenon
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I imagine those accident reportings are either national or state wide. New cars have a host of safety features regardless of size of cars. Urban living warrants using more mini cars. We're not living in Berkley Heights here. Though newer constituents think they still do. When I ever i see a man in a huge SUV, I just assume small penis. Whenever I see a woman in a huge SUV I assume her husband has a small penis.

I imagine the same people in JC who drive huge SUVs and other utility vehicles also want to lobby for a Bennigans and Houlihans as well as more high chairs in restaurants and sports bars.

Posted on: 2/2 9:34
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Re: The SUV Phenomenon
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And I most definitely did not say that ALL parking woes are caused by people chooses SUVs over cars. I said getting a HUGE SUV unnecessarily exacerbates an already difficult parking problem.

Some SUV, like the Mazdz CX5 aren't any longer than the average sedan.
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But, don't be so quick so ascribe all parking woes to people choosing SUVs over cars. Since 2006, Jersey City has grown by 13% (a little over 30K people) so there is obviously a lot more people, and many of those have cars, and most of the growth has happened in DTJC, so the growth percentage for DTJC is certainly higher than the city's overall growth rate.

Posted on: 2/1 17:22
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Re: The SUV Phenomenon
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That's a very suburban mentality.

It's become very obvious that a lot of people who have more recently moved to Jersey City, really aren't City Folk. Their suburbanites wanting to feel like City slickers and the SUVs and Trucks evidence that.

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B My jury was all female and they all seemed to think that SUVs rule and that no bikes or pedestrians should be on the road.

Posted on: 2/1 12:34
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Re: The SUV Phenomenon
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I understand that. But again the integral component of my point is that one of the main reason why many people move to urban areas is the convenience and the reduced reliance on cars. I honestly think people persuade themselves to believe that they NEED these huge SUVs. But in reality they don't. It's a trendy thing. It's not at all necessary for people living in JC. I'm entirely uninspired by all of the responses to my original post. People are just making excuses to have huge SUVs. I'm ok with the smaller SUVs, but these larger ones are just stupid. There are also quite a few utility trucks around. It's nonesense.
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As already mentioned and explained by others, this is not a local phenomenon. This is a national trend, and so strong that Ford has announced plans to stop production of all sedans, except for the Mustang (they will also continue to make a Focus hatchback) and GMC recently announced plans to stop producing 6 vehicles, all sedans, with rumors of further cuts coming.

But, don't be so quick so ascribe all parking woes to people choosing SUVs over cars. Since 2006, Jersey City has grown by 13% (a little over 30K people) so there is obviously a lot more people, and many of those have cars, and most of the growth has happened in DTJC, so the growth percentage for DTJC is certainly higher than the city's overall growth rate.

Posted on: 2/1 8:42
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The SUV Phenomenon
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When I first moved into my downtown home, there weren't too many cars parked on the streets. Certainly, parking was ample. From around 2006 that started to change with new construction and wealthier people moving into the neighborhood and JC in general. The most confounding phenomenon for me is the huge SUV phenomenon. I am not sure why so many people who have moved into a City area feel a need to have huge SUVs. One of the major benefits of living in an urban area as opposed to a suburban area is that you don't need to rely on a car so much. While I don't begrudge anyone a car to make special trips and all, I just can't comprehend the need for huge SUV's. I'm some how suspicious of the actual need. It seems the suburban mentality has set in our City. Certainly, it only unnecessarily exacerbates an already difficult parking crises.

Posted on: 1/31 11:38
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Re: A new N.J. bar’s dress code was called racist. The owner says it was ‘an oversight.’
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For some inexplicable reason I don't imagine myself going to the Ashford too much, but still I sorta like the dress code. I am so sick of people mostly men wearing hats while in doors.

Posted on: 1/16 10:08
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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These priest did not spent their entire career in NJ. Many of them were in NJ briefly and went on to other places. In most instances either the priest was dead long after the allegation was made, or the the allegations were about acts that happened when the priest wasn't in NJ. This article is a little bit of a hype piece. There is little tie to NJ and these people, and the instances were so far in the past.

While there is a problem. But there should be attention drawn to the problem. Not to media sensationalism.

This article is a fair example of bad journalism.

Posted on: 1/16 7:10
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Seton Hall U vs. Providence tonight at 6:30
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White Star Brunswick is the place to watch NJ's College Champion Basketball Team take on the Providence Friars! Hope to see some Pirate fans or Friar fans there.

LET'S GO PIRATES!

Posted on: 1/15 12:14
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Re: Worst traffic ever
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A Mayor and Three Priests walk into a diner . . . .


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In part, I can vouch for this - I was sitting at the table right next to Fulop at lunch at the Brownstone on the day of the snowstorm. He was with 3 priests
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Posted on: 1/4 18:21
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Re: Free Christmas Eve Concert at St. Anthony's at Sixth and Monmouth
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That actually sounds like a very nice concert. I hope they get a good turn out.

Posted on: 12/18 8:34
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Re: Seton Hall U v. Kentucky - Sat at noon
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It was an amazing game for sure and the Hall most definitely proved to be the better team against #9 Kentucky.

https://www.nj.com/sports/2018/12/seto ... -beats-no-9-kentucky.html

Posted on: 12/9 15:36
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Seton Hall U v. Kentucky - Sat at noon
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Any Seton Hall Alum interested in meeting up at White Star Brunswick St to watch the game, I'll be there in blue. It's gonna be a fun game to watch.

https://www.app.com/story/sports/colle ... ball-kentucky/2219082002/


HALLin
GO PIRATES!!
HZF

Posted on: 12/7 7:43

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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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You blatantly lied when you said that I admitted that do not have sympathy. In fact I said just the opposite. You're not only sick and hateful, but now it's apparent that you're also a liar.

Again, as I've mentioned before, I was in the seminary during McCarrick's first year as Archbishop of Newark. The media has overly exaggerated what actually happened. SOME of the former seminarians and priests are out right lying. Of course, I never went to his beach house nor was I a victim in any way of any of McCarrick's alleged abuse.


Posted on: 2018/11/11 8:41
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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My priority in life is to protect and advance the civil liberties of the LGBQT community here in the US and globally. Abuse is offensive. You're desperately trying to associate homosexuality to abuse is offensive, lacks compassion, demonstrates intellectual inability. Your statement that I have no sympathy for victims is unsupported. I do have sympathy for them. The fact that I don't equate homosexuality to abuse in no way suggests I have no sympathy. You're hateful and sick. Your right to vote should be taken away.

Posted on: 2018/11/10 18:44
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Fortunately for the rest of the world, Yvonne will never have any influence in Church or State. She is full of hate and lacks any intellectual heft what so ever.

Posted on: 2018/11/10 16:17
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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I don't know who you are or what you do for a living, but I'm ready to conclude that you're a strange human being with a modicum of intelligence but are off either emotionally or socially.

I am not sure of why you would randomly and gratuitously share your experience of sleeping in a rectory. No one cares, but . . . well . . . like i said it was gratuitous.

Nothing in ESP's comment suggested he was bitter about the Latin mass. However, your assertion that somehow a Latin Mass elevates your spirituality is inexplicable. While I was in the seminary, because of my academic performance I was invited to study New Testament Greek. Still, I don't waive that around to suggest I have a better command of the Gospels than other people.

It seems you're just posting for the sake of showing off your spirituality. That's neither charitable, Christian nor sincere.

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Hmm why so bitter about the Latin Mass, esp? Between this and “woe to clergy” you somehow took offense to, it would seem to me you work in parish ministry. Most quiet Catholics are rather ambivalent about liturgy. FYI I attend vernacular Masses and still find inspiration, but the Latin Mass is like a magnet school for more studious Catholics, so makes for more stimulating churchy conversation if that is one’s preference. So what high horse are you talking about? I still believe what I was taught in CCD and only came to the Latin Mass later in life. I don’t think I am better than anyone else, but I like any Catholic confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and founded the Catholic Church upon St. Peter. That’s all in Vatican II documents.

I am curious what your vision of what the future of the Church should be. If it’s just going to be one with vague platitudes and attempting to forgive something that isn’t considered wrong to begin with, then it will lose its purpose and eventually become irrelevant, just another NGO as Pope Francis said.

Before I completely digress from the topic of this thread, I would admit that I slept overnight in a rectory living room when I was 12 because the priest friend of my family was scared to be alone that night. There was no contact as he was in his own room but I did get concerned looks from the church staff who saw me the next morning. Was driven nack home and it never happened again. So in retrospect I could have been a victim and could have had every reason to abandon my faith but choose to remain.

Posted on: 2018/10/30 12:23
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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It takes a great deal of arrogance to assert one knows the composition of the road to hell.
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The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops like these.

Posted on: 2018/10/29 14:12
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Being interested in the Church is hardly an obsession. I was an alter boy, went to an all boys Catholic HS, a Catholic College (where i spent three years in the seminary) and then ultimately a Catholic Law School. My interests in the Church are based upon both the history of my relationship with the Church and my curiosity as an attorney. Reading Yvonne and Mao's blatant comments about hate some how triggers in me a sense of defensiveness of the Church and myself.

Your suggestion that my attendance at service, specifically at my home parish would some how cast a darkness on the church is offensive. Still it's typical of the small minded who think their relationship with Christ and the Church is unique and should be protected for only people similarly positioned. Today's Gospel reading talked about how people, very much like you, Mao and Yvonne tried to keep Jesus away from Bartimaeus. But Jesus had no tolerance for these naysayers, and went direct to Bartimaeus.







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Wow, again with assuming the worst of someone’s intentions. Sutherland, for someone who admits not having been to Mass regularly in years, you are still obsessed with this institution enough to remain a spectator. Perhaps that is a good thing and one day you will come around and darken the doors of your parish church once more (if it hasn’t been closed already) and cast your cares upon the Lord.

There was a time when straight people were regularly refused sacraments for canonical reasons and people humbly accepted it. Then the Church seemed to relax its precepts except for gay people, so understandably everyone finds this unjust. But the injustice really is to the straight people who have been given a free pass for offenses they’ve committed. They’ve been denied Catholicism in all its guilty glory. Your average clergyman may be overly lenient, but God is not mocked. Everyone deserves the truth.

Posted on: 2018/10/28 16:56
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Mao's intentional misuse of hagiography was intended to thwart any observation that gays and lesbians are no less welcome and loved by Christ than straights and no less deserving of Christian rites, and intended to further his campaign to further alienate gays and lesbians from the Church. All to further his campaign to keep his world as comfortably homogenous as possible. The reality is that Mao is struggling with the reality that the Church and the world are changing in ways that he can't tolerate because it's only illuminating his discriminatory leanings and isolating him and Yvonne from what is quickly becoming the new main stream, while people like them are growing quickly irrelevant and extinct.

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Don’t want to give this dumpster fire more oxygen, but what is wrong with both Yvonne and Mao?

Yvonne posts about some harebrained homophobic theories related to the Catholic church crisis, but then Mao posts an article arguing Matt Shepard’s death wasn’t a hate crime, that he was killed because both Shepard and his killers were meth addicts? (BTW, according to the article police say toxicology reports do not back that up)

Yvonne seems addlebrained, but Mao’s post seems gratuitous, almost mean-spirited, under the guise of ignorance. What was the point, but to bring down the memory of Shepard, an attempt to undervalue Shepard’s life, what Mao calls a “hagiography.” I would note that most people, even Jesus of Nazereth, were/are hagiographed after death, particularly violent deaths.


Posted on: 2018/10/27 10:06
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ/status/1055806579952574465

As #Synod2018 delegates debate whether even to mention LGBT people in their final document, Matthew Shepard, who was beaten and killed for being gay, is laid to rest at Washington National Cathedral. In today's Gospel, Jesus asks, "Why can you not read the signs of the times?" James Martin, SJS

Posted on: 2018/10/26 9:06
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Yvonne, you should not be allowed to vote. You're sick and hateful. Going to Church does nothing for your soul.

Posted on: 2018/10/26 7:58
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Yvonne, you're a sick and hateful homophobe. And now I'm actually a hypocrite for responding to you.

Posted on: 2018/10/25 14:30
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