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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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This is not a JC based topic. It should be deleted for that reason alone. Furthermore, Yvonne needs a lot of help. She is clearly very homophobic and digging around the internet to find any piece of information about any homosexual who has walked into the doors of any Catholic church anywhere and just trash that individual all to advance her crusade to rid the free planet of any homosexual. It is clear that Yvonne, believes that homosexuals have absolutely no business inside a church or probably anywhere else, like teaching, sitting on the bench as a Judge, working as a physician etc. This evidences she is a very sick and hateful individual.

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Re: Our Lady of Czestochowa Downtown Sex Abuse...
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I don't know where Fr. Gerry Sudol is actually living nor why his name is still on the bulletin as being in residence. I could only suspect that it would take awhile to remove it if he has been moved. Again, I don't know why he is still on the bulletin. Still, if he is not in ministry and not proven guilty of anything, certainly not of an allegation of something that may or may not have happened awhile ago, he does get to live somewhere. There are prosecuted sex offenders who live through our neighborhoods. I would be less concerned with where he is living and more focused on what any investigation will entail.

But again, I no longer actually practice Catholicism and I don't go to services, unless I absolutely have to like an immediately family member's funeral or nuptials.

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To return to the original post, why is Fr. Gerry still listed as in-residence in the OLC church bulletin and not one mention of this particular scandal is made? This kind of damage control or lack thereof by ignoring the elephant in the room is discouraging.


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Mao,

I suspect that you are a self loathing latent homosexual. You're holding onto an institution that has self destructed despite having done many good works. Your justification for the reestablishment of a church that could no longer be productive in my opinion is just your way of looking for shelter so you could remain in denial about key aspects of your self.

I find it sad. And I mean that sincerely. You seem intellectually capable with some capacity for intellectual curiosity. But you're so emotionally immature that you cannot realize your potential or find happiness.

This is not a personal attack on you, but only my theory and opinion. Which candidly is based only on a few of your posts that I've read. Well that in conjunction with my spending several years in the seminary and knowing other people who very much seem to be like you. Incidentally, when I was in the seminary McCarrick leaned towards many of the same conservative positions that you espouse. It's an observation I find particularly interesting.

Candidly, I believe or perhaps hope that this entire ordeal is going to be very transformative for the Catholic. Unfortunately for you, the result will not be the institution you hope for. For your sake, I hope you can find peace in that and make a place for yourself in it.




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Because it's not at all consistent with the vast collection of material on the topic that I've read by more renowned authorities. Also, anecdotally, there are plenty of gay men in the world in positions as teachers, police officers, professional athletes, coaches, physicians, attorneys, plumbers who are not running around sexually assaulting people. The information Fitzgibbons published is skewed based upon the population of the study that he chose. He's entirely full of bologna. There is absolutely no integrity to his study.

For an educated guy with a law degree, you're making weak arguments. You're hoping that your reader is uneducated and will sheepishly adopt your position based upon unsubstantiated materials.

You're free to enjoy older liturgy. I do as well. However, you're not going to get too many people to subscribe to your offensive and antiquated notions.
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Dear Sutherland and Frankn M:

Why do you, Mr. Sutherland, reject this article and why do you Frank M., resort to expletives?

Dr. Fitzgibbons describes narcissim as a personality trait associated with sexual assault and he seems to bring a psychodynamic approach to how this unfolds. He also is unequivocal in his support of Christian sexual morality. This does, of course, go against the majority of mental health professionals who have an antagonistic relationship with traditionial Christianity. Freud may be largely discredited but some of this antagonism started with him (even though he is actually much more nuanced on this).,

Richard W. Sipe, an ex monk, progressive psycoanalayst, also did some really good work in this area. He rejects Christian sexual morality and sees the problem as the dynamic of the guardians of the Faith who privately don't believe in the faith creating a web of deceit. http://www.awrsipe.com/

Sexual predation of minors or of subordinates is so heinous that I think the Sipe thesis alone is inadquate. Personality disorder, or demons, seems about right.

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So you're now saying that Cardinal Archbishop Tobin is gay and sexually abusive to others?

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Sexual predator McCarrick was archbishop of Newark, he appointed many people to high positions including telling Pope Francis to appoint Tobin now Cardinal to McCarrick's old post. .

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I read this article and reject it entirely.
The author is a total quack with his own agenda and personal issues.

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Dr. FitzGibbons is a very well respected psychiatrist with lots of experience with this abuse. His article, I think, is interesting. I know ESP will rail that LifeSite News is a alt right, blah blah blah. Try to read the article before rejecting it.



Anyone who blames abuse crisis on ‘clericalism’ is part of the abuse crisis cover-up: Psychiatrist
Catholic, Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal, Clericalism, Homosexuality, Pope Francis, Sex Abuse Crisis In Catholic Church

September 12, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – The present severe crisis of sexual abuse by bishops and priests in the Church worldwide has resulted in a number of opinions regarding its origins.

The recent Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report identified the homosexual predation of males; the Holy Father and Cardinal Cupich blame “clericalism”; the John Jay Causes and Context study (2011) postulated "availability."

My professional opinion as a psychiatrist with forty years of clinical experience is that the cause of the abuse crisis is rooted in psychological and spiritual conflicts in bishops and in priests, specifically a narcissism and a profound weakness in male confidence which inclines them to homosexual predation.

Homosexual predation
The recent Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report helps to clarify the origins of the sexual harassment of youth. It identifies 73% of the victims as being subjected to homosexual predation.

This finding is also consistent with the reports of the sexual harassment by Archbishop McCarrick of children, teenagers, young adults and adults.

Again, this finding is consistent with my clinical experience as a psychiatrist over the past forty years in treating priest abusers. In every case I knew of sexual involvement with children or adolescents, the perpetrator had previously been involved in adult homosexual relationships.

Summary of Pennsylvania Predator Priest Activity

Heterosexual Predation – 23%

child - 6%
female teenage victims- 16%
female adult victims -1 %
Homosexual Predation – 73%

child victims 11%
male teenage victims – 60%
male adult victims -2%
Child Porn

Gender Non-Specific - 4%
(Source: 40th Statewide Investigating Grand Jury REPORT 1 / Interim – Redacted. 2018.)

The Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report notably identifies the sexual harassment of children, teenagers and adults as “homosexual predation of children, teenagers and adults by an adult male.” It specifically did not use the terms of the John Jay report of pedophilia for child abuse or of ephebophilia for adolescent-abusive acts. Instead, the Pennsylvania Report clarified that a male’s engaging in sexually abusive behaviors toward another male is homosexual predation regardless of the age of the victim.

Clericalism
Pope Francis on August 20, 2018, stated that “clericalism” was the root cause of the sex abuse crisis in Pennsylvania. He stated:

“Clericalism, whether fostered by priests themselves or by lay persons, leads to an excision in the ecclesial body that supports and helps to perpetuate many of the evils that we are condemning today. To say ‘no’ to abuse is to say an emphatic ‘no’ to all forms of clericalism.”

Clericalism has been described elsewhere as a “disordered attitude” toward clergy which often results in an “excessive deference and an assumption of their moral superiority.” Pope Francis has noted that such an attitude can be “fostered by priests themselves or by lay persons.”

Clericalism, however, does not result in a psychological need in a priest for a sexual encounter with another male, especially an adolescent.

The Holy Father did not acknowledge the role of homosexual predation among clergy in the Pennsylvania crisis.

Cardinal Cupich also identified clericalism, not homosexual priests, as the cause of the sexual abuse crisis. Recently, the arrest of two priests of the Archdiocese of Chicago for public lewdness erodes the tag of clericalism.

In my professional opinion, in an effort to deny the role of homosexuality in the sexual abuse crisis, clericalism and availability (the John Jay Report) have been incorrectly identified as major causes. There is no psychological relationship between clericalism, availability and the sexual abuse of youth.

Both these terms manifest an attempt to cover-up the true origins of the abuse crisis.

Availability - John Jay Report
In the John Jay first report of The Nature and Scope of Sexual Abuse of Minors (2004), 4,392 clerics were accused of childhood sexual abuse, which represented about 4 percent of clerics in active ministry during the study period.

It found that incidents of clergy sexual abuse of youth increased in the 1960s, peaked around 1980, and have been declining since then. This time period coincided with a major rebellion by bishops, priests, Catholic universities and educators, and the laity against the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, which was reasserted by Pope Paul VI in Humanae Vitae.

Table 1 Alleged victims of sexual abuse incidents, grouped by gender and age

Age in years 1–7 8–10 11–14 15–17

Male
Number 203 992 4,282 2,892

Female
Number 284 398 734 502

(Source: John Jay College, The Nature and Scope of Sexual Abuse of Minors, 53, table 3.54.)

The John Jay Report found that 81% of the alleged victims were males.

The Causes and Context study (2011) by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice concluded that the childhood and adolescent sexual abuse committed by clergy was unrelated to homosexuality. Instead, they identified the predation and abuse of adolescent males, the primary victims in the crisis, as a crime of opportunity or availability. While criminologists may describe homosexual predation in imprisoned men as arising from availability, this theory is not applicable to the general public or to priests.

The John Jay second study ignored the severe psychological conflicts and grooming behaviors in priests and bishops, such as Archbishop McCarrick who sexually abused minors, seminarians and adults.

Psychological and spiritual conflicts
The major psychological conflicts that contribute to the homosexual predation of children, adolescents and seminarians in my clinical experience over the past 40 years are narcissism and a profound weakness in male confidence.

I have described the role of narcissism in the epidemic of sexually aggressive behaviors in the media, as well as in singles and adolescents of both sexes.

Narcissism can lead a man to act against his natural role as protector of youth and to think and feel that he is entitled to use others as sexual objects.

If a priest fails to teach and live the Church’s truth about sexual morality and chastity as contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Humanae Vitae, he does not configure himself to Jesus Christ and fails to surrender his sexuality to the Lord. This weakness in sacrificial self-giving weakens his confidence and makes him vulnerable to situational ethics and to act-out sexually.

Also, Archbishop Joseph Naumann has written an excellent letter in response to the sexual abuse crisis in which he challenges priests to preach on the Church’s truth about sexual morality and chastity.

“The priest needs to be able to articulate, in a convincing and compelling way, why heterosexual intimacy outside of the marital covenant is gravely immoral, as well as why homosexual activity is also always seriously sinful,” he wrote.

Responses to the causes of the crisis
The trust in the hierarchy and in the Holy Father himself has been profoundly damaged by the sexual abuse crisis, the response to it and the accusations by Archbishop Viganò of a cover-up of Archbishop McCarrick’s predatory homosexual behavior by top leaders in the Church.

Robert George has identified the documents that are essential to review in response to the allegations of a cover-up of Archbishop McCarrick’s evil behaviors by the Vatican authorities. He suggested that the only way to arrive at the truth would be for the Pope to order church officials to release all pertinent documents in any and all Vatican and Washington offices.

Archbishop Chaput’s recommendation to the Holy Father that he cancel the Synod on Youth seems prudent. He said, “Right now, the bishops would have absolutely no credibility in addressing this topic.” Instead, he recommends that a Synod of Bishops be held to address the sexual abuse crisis in the Church.

In my professional opinion, Archbishop Chaput is correct. The mistrust in the laity is so severe at this time, because of the predatory homosexual abuse of youth and seminarians and its continued cover-up by bishops, that they would not trust the views of bishops in the proceedings or conclusions of a Synod on Youth.

The Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report that identifies homosexual predation in 73% of the cases victims of alleged abuse cannot be ignored, denied or rationalized.

A commitment should be made to follow the 2002 recommendation of Pope John Paul II in response to the crisis in the United States, which was to teach the fullness of the Church’s truth on sexual morality. It would also mean ending the inexplicable and culpable silence on sexual morality and marriage as found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Humanae Vitae. This also would mean learning or relearning moral theology that already proved itself capable of converting an over-sexualized pagan world.

Cardinal Francis George, the late Archbishop of Chicago, spoke of this truth at the annual meeting of the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries in Chicago in 1999. He said:

“It is possible, with God's grace, for everyone to live a chaste life, including persons experiencing same-sex attraction. To deny that the power of God's grace enables those with homosexual attractions to live chastely is to deny, effectively, that Jesus has risen from the dead.”

Once authentic Catholic moral theology has been learned and communicated, then mandatory conferences on homosexuality should be required for priests and bishops in every diocese and seminary given by Courage, the only international program in the Church for those with same-sex attraction that is loyal to the Church’s teaching. Such conferences should also be required of the cardinals, bishops and priests serving in the Vatican.

Since the John Jay Report failed to identify the psychological and spiritual causes of the sexual abuse crisis, the programs developed to protect youth and priests from further abuse are seriously deficient and must be corrected.

The USCCB should consult with mental health professionals who support the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, such as in the Catholic Medical Association, and who understand the role of narcissism and psychological conflicts in the origins of same-sex attraction and homosexual predation of males of all ages. These professionals should then develop their aspect of a comprehensive program to protect priests from sexual acting-out with youth, primarily adolescent males, and with their own peers.

The laity also has a responsibility to be active in protecting the truths in the Church as it did in the Arian heresy. They must demand that bishops and priests be spiritual fathers who are loyal to the Church by preaching the truth.

It is time to face the truth about the origins of the sexual abuse crisis so that the Church remains faithful to Jesus Christ and does not participate in the de-Christianization of the culture.

Editor's note: Rick Fitzgibbons, M.D. coedited an August 2011 issue of the Catholic Medical Association’s Linacre Quarterly on the crisis in the Church in which he co-authored several articles, is a member of the John Paul II Academy for Human Life and Family, has taught at the John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family at Catholic University of America and has served as a consultant to the Congregation for Clergy at the Vatican. His forthcoming book on strengthening Catholic marriages will be published in 2019 by Ignatius Press.

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Yvonne ran for office?!?!?!
For what office? When?
How many votes more than one did she get?

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I hope to god Yvonne runs for office again someday. Each and every quote here should be put into an attack ad and mailed out to the entire city.

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Transparency is a relatively new phenomena. Until recently, most institutions, including government, schools, politics, corporations were immune from transparency and scrutiny. Consequently, many people have suffered. The additional focus on the Catholic Church is a result of it's unique global reach and belief that religious organizations were better behaved and beyond human flaw. That in conjunction with the Church's role in disbursing judgment and penance cultivated a sense of anger.

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"Still, it was only a small minority who were true pedophiles . . . ."

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100% Correct.


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Why are you so hung up on sex between consenting adults, if they are fully “consenting” and “adults”?

If it’s the case of assault, rape, or sexual harassment where someone like McCarrick who Yvonne says was using his position to pressure, then that’s not consentual. But hello, predators in the world are just as likely to be heterosexual, so you both focusing on the orientation of homosexuality, rather than the abusive behavior, IS intellectual dishonesty and homophobia.

If it’s the case of pedophilia and underage children as victims, then they are not adults, so again lack of true consent.

For your sake, I hope it is disingenuousness about your underlying motivations, rather than absence of cognitive ability to comprehend these really not difficult to understand distinctions. Remember, consenting adults. Victims who are underage or those who are assaulted or those who are in an employee or position of less power than the abuser by definition are not consenting and/or adults.

In the case of the Catholic church, gay priests who are sexually activel and yet the next day are preaching that premarital sex and homosexuality will damn you to hell, may be hypocrites. But in the case of those who are gay and enter the Catholic priesthood because they feel can’t freely live who they are otherwise within the Catholic community says more about the shortcomings of the fundamentalist Catholic community and doctrine.

And calling out the hypocrisy is very different from denouncing priests because of their sexual orientation and making this abuse crisis about that. It is the hypocrisy, the lies, the predatory behavior, and the covering up for predatory behavior that can legitimately be criticized, without making this abuse scandal the excuse to demonize gays and blame abusive behavior on sexual orientation.

Mao and his fundamentalist Tridentine latin-mass, Pope Francis-hating, far-from-mainstream Catholic brethren are clearly trying to use this scandal as a way to purge more mainstream Catholic leaders.

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I said hearsay NOT heresy.

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I am looking forward to the raids in NY State and NJ, so what you call 'heresy' will turn into prison time. I want justice for the victims and church cleaned from predatory priests.

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Yvonne,

As an actual practicing attorney, I could assure you that the vast majority of that falls squarely in the definition of hearsay.

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Actually, I have given facts, there was the letter from the website from a seminary then there was the link from Church Militant. Church Militant gets their information for priests, seminarians and even some bishops. Lately, their information has come prosecutors. The people at that website has worked as professional reporters in the secular media and have contacts with law enforcements. Then, there is the testimony of Alice Von Hilebrand (who is still living), who spoke to Bella Dodd who said in the 1920s and 1930s she recruited 1100 men to enter the seminary. Dodd said she belonged to the Communist Party. Stalin request that she place two types of men in the seminary, men with no faith and homosexual men. Bella Dodd also spoke before Congress on this and there are books written about this subject. As these men become bishops, they were looking for other homosexual men, the reason for the South American connection of seminarians who were kicked out and found places in the US. Personally, I am looking forward to the investigation of NJ. Sexual payments were made by the Archdioceses of Newark and Metuchen. I want the truth, I don't care about agendas.

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It's hate because you're making facts up. You have no proof of anything you've alleged. People only make up bad facts about others out of hate.

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Yvonne, I am not clueless. I was in the seminary during a part of McCarrick's term as Archbishop of the Newark Archdiocese. So I probably know more than most. You're the one who is clueless, letting your hate and the media distort your perspective.

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What seminarians have been raped? Do you have any proof beyond an allegation? The claims were sexual assault not rape. So your over exaggerations of the claims only serve to further discredit you. Furthermore, there is no ruling that anyone has raped anyone. Settlements are entered into to save money, they are not an admission of guilt. The smaller the settlement, the less credible the victim's claim. They're deemed nuisance claims. Three former priests were given very small settlements. Desmond Rossi was paid $35,000 on his 10 year old claim that a fellow seminarian groped him after a night of drinking by both of them. Naturally, the news embellished the facts. Two gut settlements for something that happened with McCarrick. The particular claims we do not know McCarrick invited seminarians to his beach house where he had them sleep in the same bed with him. He would also change in front of them. I don't remember reading anywhere that he made any of them even indulge him with oral sex or that he groped them. Certainly, the sleeping in the same bed with him is improper, but it's not rape nor is it sexual assault. I was in the seminary for the Newark Archdiocese during the McCarrick years. Everyone knew he was taking some seminarians to his beach house. Some of these guys were guys I knew. But no one then ever said at least to me, that he as much as touched them. So when you say rape, you're discrediting yourself.

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I also suspect Mao's a former seminarian or religious, (not a Jesuit). Probably a Franciscan (OFM) maybe diocesan. I imagine he's never actually practiced law.

Despite his knowledge, his logic goes far afield of reality. It's too much of a stretch to associate ancient Greek and Christian philosophy to a contemporary crises, at least they way Mao does. The history of scandal in the church goes beyond sex and includes more financial, especially from the middle (dark) ages.

The association of perspectives on sexual orientation from 500 years ago or more to managing abuse today is as useful and applicable as wearing a snorkle coat on a rainy day in July.

Homophobia is more a cause of the Church's crises than the solution. It deteriorates ones' self esteem, leaving them emotionally arrested. This is more likely the cause of the problem than Mao's far stretching hypothesis about Aristophanes' reach to contemporary mores.




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Incidentally, while i do not like Cardinal McCarrick and didn't like him when I was in the seminary, it can't go unnoticed that he was found guilty by a Court of law of absolutely nothing. With regard to the claim that he sexually assaulted children there is one allegation from an old dude that something happened like 50 years ago. Then more recently another allegation that something happened like 20 years ago to some kid when he was 16. But no legal findings at all.



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You are wrong Bike Lane, McCarrick victimized an 11 year old, and a 16 year old. There were payments made, I believe this happened in New York. In fact, here is the story, when John O'Connor was dying of cancer, he was the cardinal of New York at St. Patrick, he few to Rome and told John Paul 2, not to make him cardinal of New York. The one thing about the Catholic Church according to the investigators in Pennsylvania, they wrote everything down. Nothing was destroyed.


What part did I get wrong? I said he abused children because he was an animal. What you just posted supports that positon, no?

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So you're saying that men who have consensual sex with other men, then become abusive? So having consensual sex leads to being a sexual predator?

Also, what are you referring to when you say that someone who complained was thrown out?

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The problem goes from consensual sex to abuse. In the case of the seminarians, they were abused by men who were their boss. Some men were kicked out because they complained. If a man states clearly on his application form that he is a homosexual, he would not be admitted. There are rules about this.

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My comment wasn't meant to be an insult. Just my opinion. Though there is more than anecdotal evidence that people who lean homophobic often struggle with their own sexual orientation. Yvonne's position that homosexuality is a disorder is indicia of homophobia. Which I believe is a sign of inner self loathing.
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Jeez, I don’t think Yvonne is struggling with being closeted or repressed. Attack her on what she says rather than a knee jerk backhanded insult.

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I'll interpret your response to mean you believe that homosexuality is a disorder. That of course leads me to believe that you struggle with your own sexual orientation. I am very sorry for you in that regard. Please know that I will be praying for you to find inner peace.

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So you subscribe to the notion that homosexuality is a disorder?

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Bishops Molino and Barron have publicly stated homosexuality is the problem. Cardinal Tobin of Newark has told his priests and seminarians that they cannot talk to the press after 6 of them did reach out. The John Jay report in 2004 said around 85% were teenage boys which means 15% were females. It is amazing how people here look the for 15% and ignore the 85%. By the way, Tobin was appointed in 2016 by Pope Francis, he got the recommendation for his seat from the predatory Cardinal McCarrick who assaulted an eleven, sixteen and many men in their 20s. I forgot to mention that some of those homosexual priests that were kicked out of Columbia did apply to places of formation in Newark. I guess that is why those 6 priests/seminarians wanted to reach out to the press.

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I am not so sure that the celibacy requirement is the problem. A few years ago I read a NYT Magazine article about an Orthodox Rabbi who is trying to blow the cover on the pedophile problem in the Orthodox community. However, he meets a lot of resistance from the Orthodox community. Incidentally, I once had an Orthodox female colleague who confided me in that there is also an unreported HIV problem in the Orthodox community. So in light of the fact that Rabbi's are married, and there is apparently an unreported child abuse problem in the orthodox community, perhaps the problem isn't the celibacy requirement but the requirement that seminarians be cloistered during their priestly formation. Until the 80s seminaries were in distant isolated locations. In the mid to late 80s dioceses started moving their seminary programs onto main college campuses where seminarians became part of normal late adolescent college life Also, there was a time when the Church was admitting seminarians as young as 14, typically their admitted at 18 for the college seminary. I suspect that similarly may be part of the problem. Anecdotally, it seems that there are much fewer abuse allegations made against Jesuits who are required to go out on the world and work a few years before being entered into their seminary program. Also, among the Catholic religious sects, the Jesuits seem to be more prodigious.

The homosexuality component I believe is not part of the problem and in fact probably has nothing to do with it. Except perhaps to the extent that homosexual men for so long felt so denigrated by societies' hatred, disdain and alienation of them, that perhaps for some that eroded their self esteem causing some undetermined emotional and psychological problems.

Unfortunately, the Church like the vast majority of other organizations subscribed to a policy of protecting their own and covering up bad acts. Transparency in general is a very new phenomena in the US. Certainly, that's not a defense at all. But I think important to keep in mind when analyzing the crises.

To be transparent, I'm a former seminarian of the Catholic Archdiocese of Newark. I left the seminary back in 1987. I almost never attend services at all any more. Still I identify as Catholic to some degree. I went to a public grammar school in Newark and a Catholic HS. I was an alter boy, a boy scout in a troop out of my local parish. I played in my parish little league from the time I was 8 until I was 17. l I have never been a target of abuse or an inappropriate sexual overture by a priest. Nor was anyone I knew to my knowledge. Of course, that is not at all conclusive of anything.

I think the situation is a disturbing mess. But humanity is. Again, no excuse for the abhorrent manner in which this has been handled. But the fallout is going to be messy and inequitable. But hopefully it will be cathartic.

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Why is the church so happy to fall on it's sword about this pedophilia problem rather than just let priests marry and have families like most other religion's clergy? Then you would get NORMAL people into the clergy, as celibacy IS a sexual deviance to begin with! As I understand it, it originated to keep medieval clergy from creating their own priestly dynasties, though it didn't stop the Borgias. Pre 1139 ce celibacy was not required of clergy.

I can't think of a better thing to bring that church into the 21st century than ending celibacy, except allowing women to be priests.

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I absolutely oppose this idea. We have a parking problem because of the significant increase in density. The City did not mandate developers to provide adequate parking. The increase in density necessitates more cleaning services. Reducing the amount of street cleaning will result in the City being filthy. Our taxes have just been increased. We should be getting at least the same amount of services, not less services. The City should come up with a better solution to the parking problem. I would propose that constituents with utility vehicles or larger SUVs should have to pay a larger annual fee for annual parking permits, Columbus Ave. should have residential permit parking for constituents instead of private entities and the City should reopen the pedestrian plaza between Erie and Barrow.

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Hamilton Park is over burdened at this point. These projects should be required to include green space and dog runs. There is way too much density in Jersey City and little is being done to accommodate it. Quote:

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Fully agreed on the building being horrific in terms of look and styling. Location is pretty crappy, but it does have close proximity to Hamilton Park, and there are a handful of good restaurants in that area, plus the HP's farmer market options. They are also perfectly positioned with regards to the future development of the MetroVest Plaza area, where ~15 towers will go up, along with small parks, and many amenities.

The location next to a fire station will likely get annoying for residents, though.

Posted on: 6/8 11:05
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Re: 485 is here
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Agreed, super ugly building, and sort of a goofy spot to be in. Granted, it's a closer walk to the Newport PATH stop, but Marin Blvd, has nothing around it. I suppose people may walk to the, Mall (which really isn't the city experience) Grove St. are or HP area for restaurants, coffee, etc.

But hey, I'm not a developer.

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This building is ugly beyond belief.

Even in comparison to other cheap towers going up around town by Lefrak and the like, this building looks horrible even against that low bar.

Really the architect should be ashamed.

Edit: Architect is Hollwich Kushner (HWKN)

Robin.

Posted on: 6/6 10:56
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Re: Tell Trader Joe's to come to Jersey City!
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I can't determine sq ft on site. But perhaps a Wegman's could take over the space where the ACME is. I have been in some Trader Joe's and I really don't get the concept for come reason.

Posted on: 4/6 16:14
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Re: Exterior painting on historic district home
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it is unlikely that the historic color charts you're looking at will fall within the compliance of Dan. Hopefully, the existing color of your home will give you most guidance. Some of those clapboard houses are very pretty. I think the folks who live in 8th St between Monmouth and Brunswick are outside of the historic preservation district. So if you live there you may not have to comply. If you are in a historic preservation district, Dan will tell you what color your house has to be. If he is not getting back to you, stop in the office one morning. Squeeky wheel phenomena. Good luck and enjoy.

Posted on: 4/5 12:00
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Re: Exterior painting on historic district home
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The historic preservation office dictates the color of your house trim. He believes he knows exactly what the original color was and will tell you that you have to paint it that color. So do not be surprised. I do not know what color your house trim is now, but it may or may not be the original color. So please do not be surprised. You may think, "well there are other houses on the block that are the same color as mine, why can't I paint my house the color that it currently is." It doesn't work that way.

Years ago, several members of the Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association, retained the services and reporting of an expert that demonstrated an actual historic color chart that showed that three or four different colors a brick row house could be painted, based upon the color or tint (red) of the brick. This was presented to the historic preservation committee. In objection to this documentation, they presented pictures of recently built houses and said, "we cannot agree with you because we do not want houses that look like these houses in historic neighborhoods."

I share this with you, so you just aren't surprised by the response you may or may not get.


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We are in the process of submitting the application right now. Any tips??

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Re: Exterior painting on historic district home
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Make sure to get a "Certificate of No Effect" before you start.

Posted on: 4/4 14:34
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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One thing that's really difficult is that a lot of the people most adversely affected by the tax increase were real pioneers who purchased homes here in the early 80s and got behind the community, effectuated significant change and ultimately did more for Jersey City than any politician or developer. Now after pulling Jersey City from out of the depths, many of them may be forced to sell and move. The process doesn't seem to pay any deference to their efforts. For a lot of these people, downtown Jersey City is a uniquely special place to live. So the fact that they could sell their homes and maybe cash in with a lot of money may not be so comforting. They actually CREATED a community here and created a place that was unique and special. Now they have to think about where they could go and live and feel as comfortable. It's a hard pill to swallow and it's something I wish people would feel sensitive to.

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