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Re: Legal Weed Is Coming to New Jersey
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...and a Gothamist article from last month, pointing out that "yeah, legal weed in NY State, it's gonna be a while."

http://gothamist.com/2018/06/18/ny_marijuana_legalization.php

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Re: Legal Weed Is Coming to New Jersey
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Looks like NY might have legal rec weed b4 NJ....why does NJ always move at a snail's pace?

You think that New York State works fast? hahahaha

Anyway... If you read the article you linked, it points out that Cuomo has opposed legal weed for a long time. He's only discussing it at all because Miranda Hobbes Cynthia Nixon is pushing him to the left.

Another reason Cuomo is even considering it, after years of opposition? Yeah, it's because NJ and other nearby states might legalize first.

NJ is going slow because some legislators are dead set against legalization; and those who support it want to make sure that people previously busted on pot charges don't get screwed by legalization. The alcohol lobbies are pushing hard against it, too. New York legislators will have the same types of concerns and issues.


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This is sort of my problem with democrats...other than obama, they don't want to deliver.

Yes, because it's not like Christie spent his entire term sabotaging medical marijuana, and categorically refused to consider decriminalization, let alone recreational use. Or Kim Guadagno opposed recreational marijuana. Oh, wait...


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say what u want about trump....

Yeah, you really don't want to hear what I have to say about that.

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Re: Boonton Reservoir
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Who said they are just hikers?

They're working with the Open Space State Institute. Ensuring clean water is part of their mission. They already protect watersheds all over the Eastern US.

It's a conservation agency, not a party boat operator.


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I have been to parks where people made a mess and that garbage goes into the stream. I want my water clean.

Are you even trying anymore?

Once more, with feeling:

Jersey City already allows hiking on the buffer lands of its reservoirs.

The water is purified AFTER IT LEAVES THE RESERVOIR.


There is no downside here. They aren't opening a beach for public access. The water won't be impacted. A big chunk of JC's water supply already allows this kind of access.

Posted on: Today 21:47
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Re: Boonton Reservoir
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I still don't want the water I drink and the water mothers give their children contaminated by human activities. Many homeless eat from the garbage bins, they live so it is probably not bad, but I doubt anyone here would do the same.

Hello? McFly?

The water is purified AFTER it is drawn from the reservoir.

Allowing hikers will not, in any way shape or form, result in any contamination.

Oh, and guess what? Jersey City also gets water from Splitrock Reservation, which... wait for it... allows exactly this kind of open access on its buffer lands. It has lots of hiking trails nearby, and allows fishing.

I've hiked up there, it's quite nice. You should check it out.

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Re: Boonton Reservoir
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Resolution 18-653 is a licensed agreement with JC and Open Space Institute for Jersey City Reservoir in Boonton. There will be trails in the reservoir, meaning the reservoir will be open to the public, the more it is open to the public the greater risks of contamination. It is the water we drink. It is on the agenda for Wednesday.

What you're saying is beyond absurd.

1) The reservoir is huge. You'd have to dump entire tanker trucks to "contaminate" it.

2) The water is purified after it leaves the reservoir. It's not going to get contaminated by hikers.

3) The Rockaway River feeds into the reservoir. It's publicly accessible... including at a park about 300 yards away from the reservoir.

4) Numerous reservoirs have open space and hiking nearby... and don't result in OMG NO TERRARIST ATTACKS GAAAAAHHHH!!!


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I don't want access to terrorist or just to people who walks their dogs and decides their dog should be in the reservoir. We do have Reservoir 3 in JC for recreational purposes. Besides this would not benefit JC in any way since Boonton is not closeby.

There is no terrorist threat. That's beyond absurd.

Dogs pose no threat to the reservoir. It's open space, fer cryin' out loud. All sorts of animals and birds and insects are in the area.

I live in JC. I hike all over northern NJ. I'll benefit, just like I've benefitted from so many other natural spaces opened to hikers. So will many other New Jersey residents... who, last I checked, are paying to educate our kids. Not only is it the right thing to do, it's beneficial for the city, as it builds a little good will.

This is all upside.


I have no idea what your real agenda is here, but now that you've brought this to my attention, I plan to support it. Thanks!

Posted on: Yesterday 20:58
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Re: 'What is this, Russia?' Jersey City property owners fight developer
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Does every crevice of the city have to be built up as soon as possible as much as possible?

10 years is "as soon as possible?"

Posted on: 7/9 21:57
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Re: 4th of July in JC @ Exchange Place - Featuring Snoop Dog
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July 3rd: "This rapper guy is gonna get people shot! Oh, the humanity!"

July 5th: "He started late! Oh, the humanity!"

Gotta love JCL sometimes.

Posted on: 7/5 12:32
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Re: New racetrack idea pitched for in and around Liberty State Park
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It surely looks like the Energizer Bunny has staked out LSP. No sooner is one proposal shot down than another bounces up.

Many of these proposals are from the same guy -- Paul Fireman, former CEO of Reebok, and owner of Liberty Golf Course.

Guess it's time to donate to FOLSP again....

Posted on: 6/24 19:35
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Re: JC Council Proposes to Limit Public Speaking at Public Hearings
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In 2014, Lavarro said, "Council President Rolando Lavarro said he, disagreed with the limitation." Now he is pushing this, so yes, this is payback.

9 hours, Yvonne. 9 HOURS. Over moving a freaking statue 100 yards.

If it's "payback" for anything, it's for dragging out a city council meeting to 3AM. That's just ridiculous.


Posted on: 6/24 19:25
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Re: 4th of July in JC @ Exchange Place - Featuring Snoop Dog
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As long as all goes well - it is just a little troubling with the Trenton news today. Gang violence is a real issue.

There is no indication that the Trenton shooting had anything to do with gangs.

Posted on: 6/17 16:10
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Re: Plastic bag bans coming to Hoboken, Jersey City
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So I guess in the near future, I will be buying boxes of small plastic trash bags. I re-use my shopping bags as trash liners and for other purposes.

I do the same, and use reusable bags, but I think we're in the minority. I suspect the vast majority of plastic bags go right into the trash.

Posted on: 6/8 17:54
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Re: Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza Expansion
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Time is everything in a fire.

Engine #5 is literally 5 blocks away from the pedestrian plaza.

It is no more difficult to navigate a pedestrian plaza (with no cars) than it is to navigate a block with active traffic.

No one is convinced by your fabrications.

Posted on: 6/6 14:39
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Re: Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza Expansion
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At the last council meeting a person asked if fire trucks will be able to go down those streets since planters are there. It takes a while to move those planters so will that hamper putting out a fire in a timely manner. That question should have been asked the first time the mall started.

If you'd actually been to Newark recently, you'd see there is plenty of room for fire trucks to get down the street.

Thanks, but no thanks, for yet another fake issue.

Posted on: 6/5 19:34
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Dolomiti wrote:
New Jersey's effective property tax rate is around 2.26%.

JC's effective rate is around 1.6%.

So yes, even after the reval bumps up some people's property tax rate (and lowers others), JC's property tax rate is lower than most of NJ.



So I guess the people downtown who are going from $14,000 to $40,000 should find comfort that they are paying low taxes?

Hell yes.

As should already be obvious, I have zero sympathy for anyone who thinks they are entitled to a continued massive tax break -- at someone else's expense -- because they took advantage of the city's refusal to perform its obligations and perform regular revals.

So yes, they should be glad that even with the tax increase, they are paying less than most NJ residents, and that the value of their homes has grown significantly over the years.

Posted on: 6/1 15:21
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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New Jersey's effective property tax rate is around 2.26%.

JC's effective rate is around 1.6%.

So yes, even after the reval bumps up some people's property tax rate (and lowers others), JC's property tax rate is lower than most of NJ.

Posted on: 5/31 17:16
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Re: Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza Expansion
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we are in P&K every other day. they're our go-to grocer. we will really feel their absence if they close.


Ugh, that would be super depressing. This is going to be one of those neighborhoods where regular stores that sell normal things that people need won't be able to exist. Food desert here we come!

La Conga is 1.5 blocks away from P&K.

Key Foods is 2.5 blocks away from P&K.

"Food desert?" Not so much.

Posted on: 5/30 7:57
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Re: Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza Expansion
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DouglasReynholm wrote:
Exchange Place is very lightly trafficked, easy to close a dead end street.

There are plans already to revamp Exchange Place.


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Newark Avenue could have widened the sidewalks, converted to one lane, and put an ordinance on the number of bars in a zoned area. Thus reducing the Beale / Bourbon Street effect.

Yeah, keeping auto traffic works great for keeping drunkards in line in Hoboken oh wait, it does no such thing.


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Columbus and Grand SHOULD have center barriers for safety reasons, it's a no brainer, yet, radio silence.

Oh? How many accidents have happened there, which necessitates that specific approach?


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After 9 PM, this Newark Restaurant Row turns into a nightmare for residents who have lived in the general proximity for years. How about we close your block and open up bars?

Again, spend a few minutes in Hoboken on a weekend evening. Talk about a nightmare for residents.

And if you don't like it, then move. No one offered your buddies a guarantee that they could live above a busy urban street in peace and quiet until the end of time.


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Proposal to close MLK and Central, just the same as prior to closing Newark Avenue, prop up and create new eating and drinking establishments / businesses and make it a car free zone.

Wow, you obviously spent a lot of time on that idea. Very persuasive.


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More parks = better quality of life.

What does that have to do with the Newark Avenue pedestrian plaza?


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I am not against the idea, but it needs to be smarter, with a plan and purpose and zoned better. From what I see, Newark Avenue has been closed for 2 years....still has crumbling sidewalks, cheesy planters, a street painted green. Wow. Fabulous.

Bitch, moan... Yawn

The Newark Avenue pedestrian plaza is pretty much on par with what you see in other cities. E.g. Pedestrian blocks in Europe don't have lawns and gardens, they're just streets blocked off to auto traffic. Many don't even have planters.

Posted on: 5/25 18:16
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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The softness is not attributed to the reval, but to the new construction. And getting hustled by agents means nothing. The biggest challenge to agents in any market is getting the listing. Get a $1m listing and that's a $25-60k payday if you price it properly.

We've been hearing people proclaim that Factor X will kill DTJC RE property values for years now. It's a bit old. Not to mention that we are specifically discussing the effects of the reval.

Yes, I know that getting calls from RE agents means nothing. So does one RE agent saying "single family homes are soft," or one single listing. That's why I'm saying you have to look at actual data, which a) shows no major drop in prices yet and b) shows that in the long term, prices are likely to hold or increase.

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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Guess what? Property values in DTJC haven't dropped yet. They might not drop at all. As pointed out so many times, supply in DTJC is extremely tight, and demand is very high. Don't hold your breath expecting a huge property tax break in any follow-up revals.

Funny, I was just chatting with a realtor who was saying the single family market is very soft right now. I have a Zillow alert that updates me about listings in the neighborhood, and I watch them post high, then drop. A neighbor's asking dropped from $1.3m FSBO to $1m by a broker.

That's funny, because I keep getting realtors pestering me, asking if I want to sell my DT condo. Dueling anecdotes!

That's why we cannot rely on anecdotes, and have to look at actual data. So far, it shows an increase in inventory, and no change in prices. Long-term data from Hoboken after its reval shows very strong market values, too. (See https://jerseydigs.com/hudson-county-r ... ate-market-report-1q2018/ as linked earlier by user1111).


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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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The timing couldn't have been worse - most properties were reassessed at the height of the market


This argument shows a lack of understanding about the revaluation and property taxes. Whether it had been at the height of the market, or bottom, it doesn't matter. If the market had been lower, then the property tax rate would have been higher.

The city needed collect X amount of money.

X = (total value of market) * (tax rate)

If (total value of market) is lower, then (tax rate) has to go up, as X is constant in a revaluation.

The only thing that would make a difference is how different areas stack or compare against each other. The almost four year delay in the reval actually helped DTJC, as that period saw an accelerated increase in valuation in areas outside of DTJC, which translated into properties outside of DTJC getting relative higher levies than they would have 5 years ago.

In any case, the timing matters little. The reval was overdue, and DTJC was in for a HUGE increase regardless of when the reval had been completed. Those who claim the timing was terrible because it is a high market don't understand the issue clearly.



No I completely understand the market - DTJC assessed at the highest values ever with no regard for corresponding drop in market value after taxes double and no guidance moving forward.

Guess what? Property values in DTJC haven't dropped yet. They might not drop at all. As pointed out so many times, supply in DTJC is extremely tight, and demand is very high. Don't hold your breath expecting a huge property tax break in any follow-up revals.

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Re: Never Forget KAYTN RALLY is A GO
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Erm... They aren't removing it, they're just moving it a few blocks. Deal was struck a day or two ago.

http://nj1015.com/jersey-city-reaches ... moving-massacre-memorial/

Posted on: 5/13 20:44
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Re: Please Help Prato Bakery
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If anyone is curious:

Prato on Erie Street is now closed. I assume they are moving everything over to the new shop, no idea how long it will take for the new location to open.

According to a sign on the outside of the Erie Street location, another bakery / coffee shop is moving in.

Posted on: 5/13 14:55
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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2018 assessments are posted on the NJ website. Vacant land was missing from the previous lists. As I expected look low from the ones I checked downtown.

239 Montgomery: Assessed at 375k but the neighboring property the same size has a land assessment of 765k

63 Mercer: Sold in 2016 for 3mm but assessed at 774k

208 Columbus: Sold in 2015 for 1.45mm but assessed at 727k

131 Morgan: Sold in 2016 for 1.98mm but assessed at 775k


I've been saying for a while the land valuations were going to be a mess. Clearly they don't use comps for empty land and they use an ass-backwards subtractive system for developed land.

I had thought that since abatements are not on the land, just on the improvements, that we would see tax increases from abated properties. Solomon said no that's not the way it works. Funny, huh?


I hate to ever entertain, or partake in, conspiracy theories, but given the history of shenanigans related to this reval, and the powerful vested interests, one can’t help wonder if this botched implementation is perhaps a way to further delay the implementation of the reval results.

Too Machiavellian??

Or, it just doesn't make sense.

The reval is done. Property tax changes are already getting rolled out. They won't roll everything back because of issues with vacant lots.


You seem to miss the point: lots of improved lots are seeing wildly different valuations, even when located immediately next to each other or within the same block. The point that some are making, including myself, is that assigning completely different values to the built upon lots opens the door for a legal challenge that could potentially delay, or stop, implementation of the reval results.

It's too late to stop the reval. It's over.

Also, think about what you're proposing:

1) The city loses in court and has to do the reval.
2) They pay a company to do the reval
3) They secretly order Appraisal Systems to use a formula that is completely screwy with land values, but the final values generally get within 15% of comp values for developed properties
4) They hope that enough people notice the issue with vacant land that they sue the city not to adjust those vacant properties, but to force another reval (even though Appraisal Systems could just rerun the numbers with a new set of formulas)
5) This happens months after the city has already published a lot of new valuations AND taken the heat from downtown residents AND seen property values in other parts of JC go up when taxes there go down AND discussed doing a follow-up reval in ~2 years.

Ever heard of Ockham's Razor? ;)


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How can the valuation company, or the city, justify that which defies logic or reason? That is, how can two lots (of similar size) in the same vicinity have totally different values?

I have no clue whatsoever. You'd have to ask Appraisal Systems. (201) 493-8530.

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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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brewster wrote:
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landshark wrote:
2018 assessments are posted on the NJ website. Vacant land was missing from the previous lists. As I expected look low from the ones I checked downtown.

239 Montgomery: Assessed at 375k but the neighboring property the same size has a land assessment of 765k

63 Mercer: Sold in 2016 for 3mm but assessed at 774k

208 Columbus: Sold in 2015 for 1.45mm but assessed at 727k

131 Morgan: Sold in 2016 for 1.98mm but assessed at 775k


I've been saying for a while the land valuations were going to be a mess. Clearly they don't use comps for empty land and they use an ass-backwards subtractive system for developed land.

I had thought that since abatements are not on the land, just on the improvements, that we would see tax increases from abated properties. Solomon said no that's not the way it works. Funny, huh?


I hate to ever entertain, or partake in, conspiracy theories, but given the history of shenanigans related to this reval, and the powerful vested interests, one can’t help wonder if this botched implementation is perhaps a way to further delay the implementation of the reval results.

Too Machiavellian??

Or, it just doesn't make sense.

The reval is done. Property tax changes are already getting rolled out. They won't roll everything back because of issues with vacant lots.

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Re: NJ Tax Law change today
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Seems like Federal tax law is simply becoming compliant with NJ tax law.

Hypocrisy indeed.



The federal tax change reduces the credit for ALL state and local taxes, and it's slashed it from an unlimited amount (non-AMT) to $10,000. They also reduced the tax benefits of mortgages.

NJ has had the same homeowner tax credit for years, not to mention that state taxes are significantly lower than federal. Oh, and Trenton didn't suddenly cut it in a way that targets Republican-leaning counties.

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Re: Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza Expansion
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On a more positive note...

I support a modest expansion to the pedestrian area. In particular, the intersection of Bay and Newark seems hazardous to me, though I don't know if that is actually the case.

I can see the utility of blocking off Barrow, but I'm not sure how that will be as a pedestrian experience. It's not exactly the most lively block.

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Re: Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza Expansion
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Nice post El. I might point out that some of the forces like HPNA back then were actively hostile to local commerce, doing whatever they could to push out the little storefront businesses. So many storefronts were converted to condos!


Indeed, this is Yvonne and the NA's real legacy. They drove out local businesses that served many to preserve parking for few wealthy homeowners in the area. The sad thing is, now that those spaces have been turned to condos, we can never have that level of local retail in the residential neighborhoods again.

You can see that they haven't changed at all. Look at all the HCNA members that came here to gloat when they successfully forced Prato out of their space. We'll never have the version of Jersey City El and I feel most people want as long as these corrupt groups are allowed to have unchecked influence.


except....Prato is still in their space, happily doing business.


Except...they very clearly state on their website that they will be closing that location and moving to 374 4th st in the village. Presumably the space will transform into a real estate office, nail salon or daycare.

Try again.

Prato had a few issues when it opened, which are discussed in a thread here. They tried to use a backyard for seating, and tried to operate as a restaurant, both zoning violations; a neighbor complained, and Prato sorted things out. HCNA was not involved.

Someone (I don't recall if it was Prato or the owner or both) tried to rezone from cafe to restaurant, which would allow alcohol and later hours, a bad fit for a quiet residential neighborhood. The change was denied, but Prato did get indoor seating.

That was 2 years ago. No problems and (from what I can tell) good business since then. HCNA's Facebook page has no discussions at all of Prato since then.

No public parking spaces anywhere near there were removed since Prato opened.

The "gloating" is in your imagination. There was one poster (squeeg) who blamed the landlord for the conflicts, not Prato, and was glad the community (not the Association) blocked the restaurant rezoning.

It's not clear why they are moving. Their site doesn't even say "moving," just that they are opening a new space on 4th, so who knows? Whatever the reason, they certainly weren't driven out by the HCNA.

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Re: Legal Weed Is Coming to New Jersey
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Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.


Did u bother to read the article?

Yes. Did you?

The CBI and and Denver PD offer no theories. One police officer mistakenly says it's due to economic conditions (patently false, as crime rates did not soar in 2007-2009). One lawmaker who tries to pin it on pot also acknowledges a surge in opiate use.

Spare us the FUD, kthx.

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Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.

Posted on: 4/14 11:15
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Yvonne wrote:
The shoe has not dropped, when we get our new bills, there will be a note stating all taxes must be paid ... with a November date. Those who do not have a mortgage but limited income will not be able to pay and many homes will go into lien. Before the reval, normally 2,000 homes are in lien.

1) News flash! Lots of people are seeing reductions in their taxes. Anyone whose mortgage is paid off, is on a limited income, and gets a tax cut, will find their financial position improved.

It's a bit disgusting that you repeatedly ignore the people who benefit.

2) It's April. Taxes are due in November. As noted above, if your taxes went up, that's because the value of your home went up as well. Anyone who can't figure out how to tap the equity of their home in the next six months isn't trying.

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