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Part of the problem is the ridiculously slow pace of the work. It took them three months to rebuild two small staircases at the Grove st station a few summers ago. They had one at a time blocked off and were "working" on it almost every day. Think about how insane that is. Entire large buildings can be constructed in that time frame and it took 3 months for two small staircases.
There is no explanation for this other than corruption. PATH riders are being subjected to ever-diminishing service because of corruption. Quote:
Posted on: 2013/5/26 15:37
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Because they never said that, they just did it. They're communication is horrible, and if they had released this information along with the new schedule, maybe we wouldn't be so angry. But they just put up a new schedule and hoped nobody would notice.
Posted on: 2013/5/26 15:15
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They are clearly saying that the reduction in service is to make necessary repairs post-sandy. Why is it so hard for people to get it?
Posted on: 2013/5/26 14:57
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I wrote to the PA expressing my concerns about the weekend and late night schedule (specifically on the 33/JSQ line). Here is the response (nothing really of interest):
Thanks for reaching out. I have passed along your feedback to the Transportation Department, which manages the service schedule. The recent schedule change is necessary in order to allow for work on our capital programs to stay on track, and for post-Sandy repairs to be completed. Our Transportation Division takes a number of factors into account when suggesting changes to the schedule, including travel demand forecasts, ridership patterns, passenger feedback, and connections to other services, to name a few. As you may recall, the PATH system sustained extensive system-wide damage as a result of Superstorm Sandy. Restoration and recovery alone is estimated to cost $1.3 billion. Though trains are running, our system is still suffering from signal and power problems, and deteriorating track conditions, much of which came as a direct result of the system being submerged in salt water. In some sections, the water sat for days. At the same time, we are very aware of the growing demand for PATH in the region, and have a number of modernization and capital projects in process to help expand capacity. Though we lost a few months of progress on these programs due to Superstorm Sandy, work is now being done again. You can read about some of these programs here: http://www.panynj.gov/path/path-modernization.html. In the near future, we are also planning on expanding the platform capacity for stations on the Newark ? WTC line to allow for 10-car trains. We are currently only able to run 8-car trains on that line due to shorter platforms at Grove Street Station. With the purchase of additional cars, we will also be able to expand our schedule once the Automatic Train Control signal program has been completed. We targeted our service reductions to inconvenience the least amount of passengers possible. We appreciate your understanding and patience with the new schedule, and thank you for sharing your feedback. The Port Authority of NY and NJ appreciates your patronage of the PATH system. Sincerely, Chris PATH Customer Service
Posted on: 2013/5/26 14:52
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On Sunday May 26, 2013 PATH service on the NWK-WTC line will operate on a 20 minute schedule. Trains will depart NWK at :00,:20 & :40. Trains will depart WTC at :07,:27 & :47.
Posted on: 2013/5/26 14:34
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Because #OOPS# you -- that's about the best answer you'll ever get.
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Posted on: 2013/5/26 14:33
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Can someone refresh my memory as to why they are doing this?
Posted on: 2013/5/26 14:00
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That new schedule was announced in a new service advisory a few weeks back and you are right about being angry... the platforms are packed and they also seem to run fewer cars so people stand.
Posted on: 2013/5/26 12:55
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How is it possible that PATH trains, both to WTC and 33rd, now run every 35 minutes on weekends? I don't take PATH that often (thank god) but both today and last weekend they've been running on a 35 minute schedule. That is absolutely unconscionable. Their web site doesn't even have any service advisories. This is absolutely f'ing ridiculous.
Can't wait until lease is up to move back to the city and never have to ride the PATH again. Worst train system in the metro area.
Posted on: 2013/5/26 12:46
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Great article. This paints a pretty bleak picture of the Port Authority's budget issues. The WTC projects seem like they will have a huge impact on any other possible PATH/service upgrades for a long time to come. It would be really nice to see some pressure being exerted by Christie and our new mayor but with the PA being an independent organization it seems things may just continue to get worse.
Posted on: 2013/5/16 16:22
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i've done it, too. you get a free meal and a 40-ride card out of it. other than that, it's mostly smoke being blown up your butt
Posted on: 2013/5/16 3:29
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So when that group last met, did the Committee recommend cutting Sunday service? And I tried clicking the link to register and it doesn't work.
Posted on: 2013/5/16 1:55
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Excellent article about the PATH and the $4 billion, overdue, WTC transit hub -
http://observer.com/2013/05/pathfail/?show=all
Posted on: 2013/5/15 21:24
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A great way to vent proactively is by volunteering to be on the PATH Patron Advisory Committee. They meet a few times a year--I've done it and it was very informative and offered a few perks....
Pathnynj.gov Check it out!!
Posted on: 2013/5/15 21:14
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A train in such a confined tunnel should probably be able unload all of its passengers directly on to the platform at any station without special instructions. Witness the number of people who have so little awareness of their surroundings that they remain standing in the cars? open doorways while others are trying to enter or exit.
Posted on: 2013/5/15 20:51
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What!? How would that work? Those already overworked conductors will need to add to their workload by warning people to not be in the last two cars if they want to get off at Grove. That's asking too much of them!!! You KNOW that inserting keys into a panel, and opening and closing doors, is a very hard job. Which is why they can NOT be expected to fully know or understand their own PATH rules/regulations.
(For those who lack a sarcasm radar, please understand that the above is exactly that: sarcasm)
Posted on: 2013/5/15 15:39
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We are currently only able to run 8-car trains on that line due to shorter platforms at Grove Street Station. How fkn hard is it to make announcements that if you want to get off at Grove Street, you need to NOT be in the last two cars? This is a commonplace occurrence on train lines the world over. The MTA did it at South St. for the longest on the 1 line. SEPTA over in Philly does it. NJ Transit does it. just more bullsh!t
Posted on: 2013/5/15 2:25
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I told you they'd say some BS response that people have no way of verifying. This is what happens when there is absolutely zero accountability. You can get away with saying anything. Do they seriously think people believe that by changing Sunday service from every 15 to every 20 min, this will do absolutely ANYTHING to hasten post-Sandy repairs?
Posted on: 2013/5/14 23:53
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Sent the PATH a message asking how they could justify cutting back service amid record ridership. Amazingly, got a prompt reply:
Hi, Dan ? Thanks for reaching out. We are very aware of the growing demand for PATH in the region, and have a number of modernization and capital projects in process to help expand capacity. Though we lost a few months of progress on these programs due to Superstorm Sandy, work is now being done again. You can read about some of these programs here: http://www.panynj.gov/path/path-modernization.html In the near future, we are also planning on expanding the platform capacity for stations on the Newark ? WTC line to allow for 10-car trains. We are currently only able to run 8-car trains on that line due to shorter platforms at Grove Street Station. With the purchase of additional cars, we will also be able to expand our schedule once the Automatic Train Control signal program has been completed. In the meantime, targeted service reduction is necessary in order to allow for work on these capital programs to continue, and for post-Sandy repairs to be completed. Our Transportation Division takes a number of factors into account when suggested changes to the schedule, including travel demand forecasts, ridership patterns, passenger feedback, and connections to other services, to name a few. We appreciate your understanding and patience with the new schedule. I hope this information is helpful. Sincerely, Chris PATH Customer Service
Posted on: 2013/5/14 22:44
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Train service from WTC to Newark overnight (weeknights) is definitely now every 35 minutes. I got there for what I thought would be a 12:35am train (as my android app hasn't been updated for the new schedule yet), and found that the train left at 12:30am, and they are 35 minutes in between trains now.
Ended up shelling out for a cab rather then have to wait down there for another hour. Got home before that 1:05 train would've left.
Posted on: 2013/5/14 17:10
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I haven't studied the schedules yet but. I there ANY improvement I service whatsoever? Why did we have the increase in fares if not to have better service ?? How can any of this be justified???
Posted on: 2013/5/14 16:39
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I think overnight service via Hoboken is starting one train earlier on weeknights now too. Annoying.
Posted on: 2013/5/14 16:25
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The service cutbacks are pretty much all on Sunday.
But they are major. The NWK-WTC line on Sunday morning used to depart NWK at 9:15, 9:30, 9:45 etc before shifting to a 10-minute sked at some point. Now, it will be 9:15, 9:50, 10:20 before shifting to a 20-minute sked. Means overfilled trains and long waits getting into the city on Sunday morning. This while the 33rd St. line is leaving JSQ at 8:55, 9:30, 10:05 and 10:35. That's the same -- a cutback from a few years back that has been grandfathered in silently. Those trains are stuffed to the gills.
Posted on: 2013/5/14 15:59
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I recall Goldman boasting that his building of the 110 and 111 First street projects will attract plenty of new Freedom tower workers. Let us see if those employees will come if they have to endure the PATH hell being visited upon us. Hopefully, this will result in decreased rental potential, which will force the developers to step in.
Posted on: 2013/5/14 2:14
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They could always rent...they don't want to pay.
They also used to run express on the NWK-WTC, and run HOB-WTC on the weekend...now the HOB-WTC is the bastard child line. Closes with no notice, and if you live by the Hoboken or Newport stops you're screwed late or on the weekend. The new Freedom Tower is opening so anyone think that will come back?
Posted on: 2013/5/14 1:29
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The MTA actually owns commuter buses whereas PATH/PA does not. It may be a wise investment for them, though, if events on the scale of Sandy recur. They can't rely on NJ Transit to cover the slack (in light of their horrible service after Sandy), and it would keep all those commuter dollars in their coffers, rather than in the pockets of the jitney owners. Seeing a uniformed PATH employee help guide customers onto the jitneys at JSQ served to underscore their impotence during that crisis, for me. Emergency bus service between their transit hubs at JSQ and PABT should be part of their future planning. My main gripe about the PATH is the lack of weekday service to Jersey City, when it?s patently clear where the majority of the ridership lies. It?s really frustrating to stand on the suffocatingly hot platform at 9th street and watch a train to Hoboken pass by with, at most, 20 people per car, followed by a train to JSQ that?s packed to the doors, even well into the evening. With the exception of rush hours, I think all trains from 33rd street should terminate at JSQ., with alternating trains taking the Hoboken/JSQ route. It?s the same travel time for folks at Hoboken, since they're the first stop after the city, and people going to JC can decide whether they want to take the express or the scenic route. With all the new development being proposed in JC, something needs to happen to alleviate the overcrowding somewhere along the system, and if new infrastructure isn't going to happen, this seems like the most logical solution.
Posted on: 2013/5/13 23:46
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The HUGE difference between PATH and MTA is that MTA actually substitutes service. If they close a line (like PATH did for months)- they offer bus or alternate service. NOT take a cab.
The MTA has the H in the Rockaways right now. The PATH basically told us- and really told people in Hoboken- to shove it. And, 35 minute gaps in service are ridiculous. It should never be more than 20. Also, the PA is nothing but a patronage mill. Their employees are grossly overpaid and the governors just collude to keep paying more to keep the votes coming. The PATH should be a seperate entity, with the board being a mayor in each city on the line to ensure political responsibility when crap likes this happens.
Posted on: 2013/5/13 21:53
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Posted on: 2013/5/13 17:27
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The region whose real estate would benefit from more consistent and frequent PATH service is worth literally billions of dollars in new development; nobody thought to have a sit-down with the two states about that? They did, and the plan was to build a new four-tube rail tunnel. Port Authority and the federal government were supposed to pick up most of the tab. Gov Chris Christie axed it in 2010, claiming that the costs were underestimated, and the project would cost NJ too much money.
Posted on: 2013/5/13 16:32
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Uh... that's not new. I'm pretty sure you're reading the old schedule incorrectly. http://www.panynj.gov/path/pdf/path-map-schedule.pdf That's the old schedule (effective Feb 2013). Service EWR to WTC was on a 35 min schedule until 9:15 AM. Looks to me like with the new schedule, trains between 9:15 AM and 7:15 PM on Sunday was on a 15 minute schedule, and is now on a 20 min schedule. I didn't notice a difference in crowding on that very train, yesterday afternoon.
Posted on: 2013/5/13 16:24
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