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Fat-Ass-Bike thinks that companies give a rats ass about it's employees "in general". He's been in a closet the last 30 years. Nothing is more important than the profits now. Period. Remember this? The Union's "Look for the Union Label" song went as follows: Look for the union label When you are buying a coat, dress, or blouse, Remember somewhere our union's sewing, Our wages going to feed the kids and run the house, We work hard, but who's complaining? Thanks to the ILG, we're paying our way, So always look for the union label, It says we're able to make it in the USA! ---------------------------------------- Only low information voters will blame workers and unions for the mess we are in. Most people don't read. TV won't give you what's really going on. Let me put it in a nutshell for those who don't pay too much attention and are reading this while watching American idol. Here goes. There is a global banking cartel that is robbing our personal wealth every single day. The banksters have bought america and are now draining the well. Are any of you aware that they have gambled our future in this casino scam called derivatives to the tune of 1.5 Quadrillion $$. (That's 1,500 TRILLION $$ !!) I find it amazing that idiots blame unions and government workers, when the real crooks are stealing all the money!
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This is not accurate, ALL the cops lost a weeks pay, in addition the 82 cops that suppose to get layed off also gave up there raise until september.

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Playing games with our safety: Jersey City councilman's letter

Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 6:33 AM
By Letters to the Editor/The Jersey Journal

I got a question for you. What happened to Mayor Healy's Big Budget Cut and savings from the supposed Layoff of the 82 cops? I'll tell you what happened. NOTHING.

The City of Jersey City didn't save $1 from the deal that was made with the 82 cops despite what they told us. Mayor Healy took one week's pay from the 82 cops, but turned around and gave them three extra days off this year. He also promised that the one week's pay would be given back to each cop when they exited the job, but Mayor Healy did execute some layoffs that has already affected the safety of the residents in the city.

Mayor Healy and the business administrator approved the layoffs of five civilian workers from Department of CCTV (which is already understaffed) saving the city only $100,000 from the five employees' salaries. Mayor Healy has the entire city fooled about its safety when it comes to CCTV. After the layoffs take effect on Feb. 15, CCTV will be extremely understaffed leaving two people per shift to watch over 76 cameras citywide.

The mayor talks about the budget, but the business administrator is planning to move the CCTV headquarters down to Bishop Street at a cost to the city estimated at $800,000. Also, with the proposed move there will be an additional 60 cameras added to the operation. There is no way two people can be responsible for over a 100-plus cameras. The real scary part about the move to Bishop Street is how Chief Comey plans to use CCTV operators as 911 call takers letting the closed-circuit cameras run unmanned. The unmanned cameras would be useless and ineffective at catching incidents because in most cases the cameras have to be zoomed in and out to focus on selected images. Also, if cameras are left unattended they would not be able to follow perpetrators or an incident because once the cameras are put on tour they only go round and round in circular patterns.

Although the move will save the city some money by cutting into the overtime at the 911 call center it would also make calling 911 unsafe by putting the employees from CCTV, who are not trained in handling emergency calls, in a position where the response time to an emergency call could be the difference between a life saved or a life lost.

The purpose for writing this letter is to inform the residents of Jersey City that the people we elected to keep us safe are using a lack of judgment when it comes to the safety of the public. Somebody needs to really expose these officials and the type of games they're playing because as a concerned resident I know the last thing people want to think about is public safety issues, especially during these rough economic times.

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Most companies hire around 20-50% of their workforce on a consultancy/contractor basis. A lot of benefits to doing so. I'm not totally anti-union, but there's probably a better balance in the public sector.

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fire those with the least resistance.

It is staggering to comprehend that with all the development and funds generated via taxes from the thousands of apartments, JC needs budget cuts.

Is Bayonne and neighboring cities in the same financial mess as us and it is without comparison that JC has lead the way with developments.

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Jersey City moves ahead with civilian layoffs in JCPD

Hudson Reporter Feb 16, 2011

JERSEY CITY ? Effective at midnight, seven civilian employees in the Jersey City Police Department were laid off in an effort to save more than $276,000.

According to Jennifer Morrill, spokeswoman for Mayor Jerramiah T. Healy, five civilian employees assigned to the city?s Closed Circuit TV (CCTV) neighborhood watch program ?were laid off in reverse order of seniority,? per requirements of he state Civil Service Commission.

Two managers, a deputy police director and the director of the police academy, were also officially let go as of midnight.

The layoffs are part of Jersey City?s ongoing budget cuts to plug an $80 million budget deficit.

These terminations have received less fanfare than the proposed layoffs of 82 police officers ? layoffs that were averted last month when the city and the Police Officers Benevolent Association, the local police union, hammered out a labor deal that will save $3.4 million this year. The Jersey City Council approved the contract amendment on Feb. 9.

To save additional money, the city has also proposed the demotion of 12 senior police personnel. The Healy administration continues to negotiate with the Police Superior Officers Association to reach an agreement regarding these officers.

Morrill said the director of the police academy had been earning $67,000 annually. The deputy police director had a salary of $79,000 and each of the CCTV employees who were let go earned $26,000. These figures do not include health care costs and other benefits for the employees received. ? E. Assata Wright

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Jersey City council approves city's deal with police union that averts layoffs of 82 cops

Thursday, February 10, 2011
It's official.

The Jersey City City Council last night unanimously approved the agreement between the city and the Jersey City Police Officers Benevolent Association that averts the layoffs of 82 cops in exchange for concessions from the union.

Councilman Michael Sottolano offered thanks to the POBA for striking the deal with the city, even after it seemed negotiations had irrevocably derailed.

"Thank God cooler heads prevailed," Sottolano said.

POBA president Jerry DeCicco praised the council's action, while saying the concessions were a "bitter pill."

The union agreed to a one-week pay lag and a postponement until September of the officers' step raises. Union members will still receive a second, 2.7 percent pay increase.

DeCicco, speaking to the council before the vote, said they shouldn't expect any more concessions.

"We're letting the city know now that our doors are shut if they come knocking again in the future," he said. "The protest signs are being placed in storage for now."

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No police layoffs and city will save $4 million after officers vote to accept comprises

Saturday, January 29, 2011
By TERRENCE T. McDONALD - JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

The president of the Jersey City Police Officers Benevolent Association yesterday hailed as "historic" the recent agreement between the POBA and the city that will avert 82 scheduled layoffs.

POBA President Jerry DeCicco, at a joint press conference with Mayor Jerramiah Healy yesterday morning, said police officers and the Mayor came together "for the common good" to avoid police layoffs that have beset other New Jersey cities like Newark and Camden.

"It's been a long and difficult couple of months," DeCicco said.

Healy concurred, saying the city's agreement with the union is "a good thing for taxpayers" that will save more than $4 million this year.

"It could only have been achieved by compromise," the mayor said.

The agreement, which staves off 82 layoffs that were scheduled for mid-February, provides city cops with two additional comp days this year and one extra comp day when they retire.

In exchange, the union, which voted to endorse the agreement on Jan. 26 by a 341-164 vote, agreed to a one-week pay lag that city officials say will save Jersey City about $3.5 million this year. The cops will receive that one-week's pay when they retire.

Police also agreed to push their scheduled 2.75 percent salary increase from January to September. That will save the city a few hundred thousand dollars, city officials said.

Cops are scheduled to receive additional 2.75 percent pay hikes in 2011 and 2012, as per their most recent contract. Asked whether cops were asked to forgo those scheduled increases, Healy said the request "wasn't well received" by union members.

DeCicco said the POBA sacrificed last year when they were asked to change their healthcare plan from the "Cadillac" plan, and they sacrificed this year under the recent agreement with the city.

It would be "difficult" to ask union members to sacrifice any more, he said.

"If they come knocking on our door next year, the door's shut," DeCicco said.

The City Council is expected to ratify the agreement at its Feb. 9 meeting

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By DAVID PORTER - Jan 28, 2011 4:20 PM ET
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JERSEY CITY, N.J. (AP) ? In these difficult economic times, it almost qualifies as a man-bites-dog story: A city and its police union agree on a contract that will keep officers on the job instead of sending them to the unemployment line.

There were handshakes and smiles Friday at City Hall as officials heralded a contract agreement that saved the jobs of 82 officers. It was a far cry from last year when police here organized raucous protests and, in a separate incident, two officers were accused of grabbing city officials' car keys at a mayoral fundraiser and throwing them in the bushes.

It's also a bright spot in what has been a gloomy several months for police in New Jersey and around the country.

"There were long, arduous negotiations, there was compromise on both sides and we were able to write a different and a positive ending, as opposed to what's happened in the rest of the state and the rest of the country in the last 10 months or so," Mayor Jerramiah Healy said Friday.

About 2,800 police officers were laid off in the U.S. last year, said Jersey City Police Benevolent Association President Jerry DeCicco.

New Jersey has been hit hard in the last few months, with hundreds of officers losing their jobs in Newark, Trenton, Camden and Atlantic City because of budget cuts. In response to the layoffs of 60 officers in Atlantic City, the New Jersey State Policeman's Benevolent Association moved its spring convention from that city to Connecticut.

DeCicco said his union agreed to an 11 percent raise over four years instead of 13 percent and approved a higher copay for prescriptions. Officers also will be shifted to a less costly health plan, he said.

DeCicco said a primary motivating factor was that the group of 82 officers targeted for layoffs included 30 veterans.

"We weren't going to let those veterans go on the unemployment line, so we came together as a membership to see what we could do to compromise in order to save their jobs, keep the force intact and continue to protect taxpayers," he said.

The agreement must be approved by the City Council, which Healy said he expects it to do.

Both DeCicco and the mayor credited stepped-up communication in recent months for reaching the agreement, which was approved by about two-thirds of union members who voted Wednesday.

"They're the foot soldiers in the war on crime, and if you lose them, it's not good," Healy said of the officers. "The most important mission of government at any level is the security and safety of your citizens, and you should try not to mess with that, no matter what."

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You're exactly right. It really isn't even a "fix". It's just another postponement of a real fix to the finances. But the police union will be out there trumpeting how it was some tremendous concession on their part when it reality they are giving up nothing and in fact are getting more $.


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I'm glad layoffs have been averted, but is this a good deal for the city? The police will forgo a week's pay this year, but they get two comp days in return, and they can collect the deferred pay when they retire, plus an extra day's pay.

Isn't this one more example of Jersey City government filling a budget hole with a short-term fix? By the time all these officers retire, the city will end up paying 20 percent more (that extra day's pay) than it would have otherwise.


You're exactly right. It really isn't even a "fix". It's just another postponement of a real fix to the finances. But the police union will be out there trumpeting how it was some tremendous concession on their part when it reality they are giving up nothing and in fact are getting more $.

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I'm glad layoffs have been averted, but is this a good deal for the city? The police will forgo a week's pay this year, but they get two comp days in return, and they can collect the deferred pay when they retire, plus an extra day's pay.

Isn't this one more example of Jersey City government filling a budget hole with a short-term fix? By the time all these officers retire, the city will end up paying 20 percent more (that extra day's pay) than it would have otherwise.

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Jersey City mayor and police union's exec board reach deal to avert layoffs

Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 7:55 PM
By Ken Thorbourne/The Jersey Journal

Mayor Jerramiah T. Healy and Jersey City POBA President Jerry DeCicco announced today that the executive board of the Jersey City Police Officers Benevolent Association voted to bring a proposal to the full membership that would avert the layoff of 82 police officers.

The layoffs are scheduled to take place on Feb. 15, 2011.

The full membership is expected to vote on the proposal by early next week, city officials said in a press release.

?We are pleased that unlike so many other cities around the state and across the country who during this New Great Depression are having to layoff police officers, Jersey City is working to chart a different course,? said Mayor Healy. ?If this agreement is approved by the full union membership, not a single officer will be laid off and our taxpayers will be able to count on the same level of extraordinary service while feeling some financial relief.?

?Mayor Healy and the Jersey City POBA each want to save the jobs of these 82 police officers and keep the streets of Jersey City safe,? said Jerry DeCicco, President of the Jersey City POBA. ?We are working together to find a solution that will avert layoffs, protect Jersey City residents and businesses, and save money for the city?s taxpayers. We have less than one month until these layoffs take effect on February 15, and hope to have a favorable outcome well before then.?

Both the Healy administration and union officials refused to release details about the agreement, but sources said that the police union officials agreed to a one-week pay lag for the officers, which will save the city nearly $4 million this year.

The officers would receive the one-week pay when they retire.

In return for this concession, the officers gained two comp days this year, will receive an extra day's pay when they retire, and the city agreed not to take away the officers' $1,300-a-year uniform allowance, sources said.

After union members vote, the City Council will have to approve what will be an addendum to the current police union's contract.

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The jobs went overseas because of the unions, not the other way around. Steel industry, automotive industry, garment industry, all headed overseas once the american unions made it cost prohibitive to run a competitive business in the U.S.


Kind of true. In many cases, there was an intermediate step - jobs moved from the northern U.S. to the south, where unions are largely non-existent. Over time, many of those jobs left the country as well - but not to flee a unionized workforce.

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The jobs went overseas because of the unions, not the other way around. Steel industry, automotive industry, garment industry, all headed overseas once the american unions made it cost prohibitive to run a competitive business in the U.S.

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Google "javits electrician" and the articles go on and on. Like I said, you've got blinders on, like the momma of the dead gangsta who says he was a good boy who never hurt no one.


I don't doubt there are instances of workers shirking or that doing an exhibit in NYC is extremely expensive or that for a long time the mafia controlled the Javitz center, the fish market, trucking outfits and the unions that represented workers in many of these locations. This is all true.

It's also true that a slice of pizza and soda costs almost twice as much in NYC as it does in Rutheford and that a soda at the movie theater is 4 times what it costs at the supermarket (ironically the supermarket is union, coke and pepsi are union but the movie theater is non-union....can't blame unions there)

My point is the fact that the workforce is unionized does not change the fact that businesses in NYC will charge higher for services....unions only change the distribution of profits.

The article itself points this out...even after union work rules were changed prices to exhibitors increased!

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Unions only protect the uncoordinated, lazy, dysfunctional, lacking in common-sense type workers.............employers in general, will always protect and help productive employees


Your right and wrong on that since unions helped American workers become the best treated and well paid employees in the world. The decline in unions has meant a decline in wages and working conditions for American workers in the private sector. In the public sector unions have contributed to massive budget deficits across the country because of too many benefits and to many pay raises that the taxpayer cannot afford to pay. In the private sector the decline in unions has been because the jobs have been going overseas to lower cost workers, you can say that is good thing since the price of products went down but in reality it has hurt us since that money could have stayed here instead of going to another country. Some unions in the private sector have behaved too similarly to those in the private sector and have contributed to the bankruptcies of companies like in the auto sector. Those unions demanded too much and in the end the companies could not supported anymore. So in conclusion unions in the private sector for the most part are have been good, in the public sector there bad because like the auto unions demanded too much to the point that the taxpayers can't afford it anymore. BTW I work in the public sector and I am not part of a union.

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So when exhibitors complain about the high costs management blames the union but in reality it was the center that was gouging people


I guess you skimmed over the parts about the worker shakedowns of exhibitors, the institutionalized loafing, and the $50 extension cord service. BTW, that went for light bulbs too. In one article a guy said it cost nearly as much to get his stuff moved the 500 yards from the truck to the floor as it did to get it coast to coast. I was a kid then, but today I'd make him stand there for the rest of the hour after he plugged me in instead of collecting $50 every 5 minutes.

Google "javits electrician" and the articles go on and on. Like I said, you've got blinders on, like the momma of the dead gangsta who says he was a good boy who never hurt no one.

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I just spent an hour reading the entire thread and boy does my head hurt now. I was going to comment with my thoughts but why bother... everyone has their opinion and I really don't think JcList is going to change it.

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I don't believe pensions and healthcare are just for the super rich. If you work hard and play by the rules you deserve decent pay, vacation time, health benefits and a retirement.


Super rich? Hyperbole is another big problem in these debates. I'd say 99% of the non-union workers in the middle class don't get a pension and have to pay SIGNIFICANTLY more for healthcare. I work in the healthcare industry and have to pay 8.5% of my paycheck for healthcare. I also have to contribute to a 401k because I have no pension. The problem I have is the labeling of "concessions" by unions that aren't really concessions. I used to have a pension years ago, but due to tough times it has been eliminated. I also used to get free heathcare being in the industry. Don't tell me concessions have been made. When there are no more pensions for unions and they're taking almost 10% of your paycheck for healthcare, come talk to me about concessions.


So what's the solution make sure everyone else gets shafted like you did or try to fight for some kind of standards for all workers?

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NY Times At Shaken-Up Javits Center, Costs Stay Sky-High By RANDY KENNEDY Published: October 29, 1995 Nearly four months after the Pataki administration announced major labor changes intended to purge organized crime from the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center and reduce the cost of doing business there, many exhibitors say their bills have remained exorbitant, and in some cases have risen slightly. While the ultimate goal of bringing down costs has not been met, the exhibitors and center officials say that some operations have been transformed, from the elimination of payoffs down to the disappearance of folding chairs along the loading docks on 12th Avenue. "In the old days, you'd find dozens of guys who were on the job, parked in those chairs all the way down the line," said Robert E. Boyle, who became president and chief executive of the center in April. But while the changes may have rooted out featherbedding and long-entrenched acts of corruption, the cost of participating in trade shows at the Javits Center still surpasses that of other convention halls across the country, say officials at more than two dozen companies that have taken part in five large shows since the shake-up in July. The exhibitors have seen no decrease in their bills for major services, like freight handling, electrical work and the construction of booths where they display their wares. Nearly all the exhibitors interviewed said they were frustrated that their expectations about costs had been raised unrealistically. "Somebody may be saving money but it doesn't seem to be filtering down to us yet," said Rob Blair, marketing director for Optex (U.S.A.), a California security systems manufacturer that participated in the International Security Conference Expo East in September. He said that his freight delivery charges went up more than $150, to $2,756, and that he was still required to hire an electrician for a one-hour minimum, at more than $50, just to plug in an extension cord.
Great article. The question is what share of the profits from the Javits Center should belong to labor...when it comes to how much to charge folks who want to use the center they will always charge whatever the market will bear. The article even states this is what happened: "The show companies are looking to save money without passing it on," said the man, who like many exhibitors and officials spoke on the condition of anonymity. "And the Governor, who did it without understanding the mechanics of it exactly, was looking to make political points by exaggerating the gains." So when exhibitors complain about the high costs management blames the union but in reality it was the center that was gouging people. So a Republican Governor gets together with Javits to help take money out of workers pockets and exhibitors end up paying more anyway. Thanks for the article I almost forgot about that sham

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Yes, here you perfectly illustrate the blindered denialism of your position. "no that couldn't have happened, no they couldn't have said that" to anything that threatens your rosy view of organized labor.




My first experience in dealing with union work rules was at the (now former) GM plant in Linden, NJ. Myself and another guy (I was under training) came on-site to change out a mechanical seal on a pump. Simple operation:
Lock out the pump (cutting power to it).
Remove the three wires (3 phase power supply)
Open coupling, pull motor away from pump.
Replace seal.
Put everything back together
Remove safety lockout, re-energizing the pump.

We had the GM pump techs with us, so we only had to change out the seals. Should have take about 30 minutes. It took all friggin day!

We had to wait for the electrician to do the lockout.
We had to wait for the electrician to remove the wires (any non-union shop.. the pump guys do this).
We had to wait hours for the electrician to come back to re-attach the wires.
We then had to wait for the lubrication tech (pump guys are not allowed to grease the motor bearings) before turning the pump on.

It was one of the most frustrating, mind-numbing experiences I have ever been through. An entire day to do a job than should have been well under an hour.


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Yes, here you perfectly illustrate the blindered denialism of your position. "no that couldn't have happened, no they couldn't have said that" to anything that threatens your rosy view of organized labor.




My first experience in dealing with union work rules was at the (now former) GM plant in Linden, NJ. Myself and another guy (I was under training) came on-site to change out a mechanical seal on a pump. Simple operation:
Lock out the pump (cutting power to it).
Remove the three wires (3 phase power supply)
Open coupling, pull motor away from pump.
Replace seal.
Put everything back together
Remove safety lockout, re-energizing the pump.

We had the GM pump techs with us, so we only had to change out the seals. Should have take about 30 minutes. It took all friggin day!

We had to wait for the electrician to do the lockout.
We had to wait for the electrician to remove the wires (any non-union shop.. the pump guys do this).
We had to wait hours for the electrician to come back to re-attach the wires.
We then had to wait for the lubrication tech (pump guys are not allowed to grease the motor bearings) before turning the pump on.

It was one of the most frustrating, mind-numbing experiences I have ever been through. An entire day to do a job than should have been well under an hour.

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Yeah, I am sure highly skilled electricians were just plugging plugs into the wall.


Yes, here you perfectly illustrate the blindered denialism of your position. "no that couldn't have happened, no they couldn't have said that" to anything that threatens your rosy view of organized labor.

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At Shaken-Up Javits Center, Costs Stay Sky-High
By RANDY KENNEDY
Published: October 29, 1995

Nearly four months after the Pataki administration announced major labor changes intended to purge organized crime from the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center and reduce the cost of doing business there, many exhibitors say their bills have remained exorbitant, and in some cases have risen slightly.

While the ultimate goal of bringing down costs has not been met, the exhibitors and center officials say that some operations have been transformed, from the elimination of payoffs down to the disappearance of folding chairs along the loading docks on 12th Avenue. "In the old days, you'd find dozens of guys who were on the job, parked in those chairs all the way down the line," said Robert E. Boyle, who became president and chief executive of the center in April.

But while the changes may have rooted out featherbedding and long-entrenched acts of corruption, the cost of participating in trade shows at the Javits Center still surpasses that of other convention halls across the country, say officials at more than two dozen companies that have taken part in five large shows since the shake-up in July. The exhibitors have seen no decrease in their bills for major services, like freight handling, electrical work and the construction of booths where they display their wares. Nearly all the exhibitors interviewed said they were frustrated that their expectations about costs had been raised unrealistically.

"Somebody may be saving money but it doesn't seem to be filtering down to us yet," said Rob Blair, marketing director for Optex (U.S.A.), a California security systems manufacturer that participated in the International Security Conference Expo East in September. He said that his freight delivery charges went up more than $150, to $2,756, and that he was still required to hire an electrician for a one-hour minimum, at more than $50, just to plug in an extension cord.


The article continues at length. I experienced this first hand assisting my father exhibiting at some shows. And I don't want to join a union, I just want a level playing field. The unions in my entertainment field are notorious for over the top contracts and nepotism being the main path of entry.

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