Here's an idea.

Let's all share the roads and sidewalks and be nice to one another

which is to say...how much did the city spend fighting gattas since 2005? add that to how much they ended up settling for.

You have these roided up jersey shore cops who see everyone in the city as an enemy and they know they can get away with almost anything.

53+ JC cops caught getting steroids from a mobbed up pharmacy in brooklyn and no consequences.

There is another outstanding lawsuit against the Jersey City police for a citizen who called 911 because his mentally ill 65 yr old wife was acting suicidal. He called EMS and the police arrived first...arrested and roughed up the husband then murdered the 65 yr old woman.

Unfortunately the city council unanimously is choosing to spend the money to fight that suit when they should man up and settle with the husband...he's been through enough already

They didnt just settle...the incident happened in 2005...for what happened to this man he had to wait 7 years and much of that settlement money will be eaten up by legal costs and medical bills.

My lawsuit against the police for a similar incident...calling 911 and then the police attacking me....cost the city $800,000 + to fight when they could have settled for a fraction of that amount.

wow...look how skinny they look. Figure they will be street ready after 8 months on the official JCPD Steroid regimen

cmon...every once in a while you have to remember you were a kid once.....it's another day off of school who cares what the reason is!

This is really an amazing story. Glad they finally caught the guy responsible...too bad the other guy got off

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Well the man's story and your theory are not mutually exclusive

JC EMT Found Guilty

The men eventually pushed her out of the car with only her bra on, she said.

The case went cold for years after the victim failed to identify her attackers in a photo lineup.

The investigation was revived two years later when detectives found the woman?s driver?s license in Chica?s car during an unrelated arson investigation in Jersey City.

The investigation then led to Cawley, who was Chica?s colleague in an EMT squad in Jersey City. A DNA test later showed that swabs taken from Cawley matched samples taken from the victim on the day of the attack.

you'll never hear the truth...they are already working on the cover up.

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Even I cannot dispute an effective deployment of the "asshole theory"

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I am trying to understand the aggravated assault charge. I think your analogy is bad but i will go with it. If I were waving a gun in the air and an officer told me to put it away and I did not can I be charged with aggravated assault?

I am not saying the owner is not legally responsible for the dog's behavior...he is. But how in any way shape or form aggravated assault on an officer the appropriate charge given the situation ....especially since no officer was injured?

Help explain this to me

""Assistant Prosecutor Guy Gregory said today that police reports indicate that the aggravated assault charges relate to the fact that the dogs were unleashed and Burgess allowed them to attack three officers. None of the officers were injured, officials said.""

Burgess "allowed" the dogs to attack the officers...not by giving them commands to attack but just because they were not leashed.

Yet not one officer was injured by these 6 attacking pit bulls.

For this he was charged with aggravated assault on an officer??

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exactly, because obviously there is nothing in dispute here, you are fully aware and know all the facts of what happened and anyone who may disagree with you about it is unreasonable.

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None of us were there we are all speculating.

I think I have pulled out a few details from the article which backs up my theory of what happened.

Seems some people want to believe with no evidence that the owner is a gangster...I guess because the area where this happened has a lot of gangs or maybe for other reasons.

I choose to believe based on experience with the JCPD, the ridiculous amount of stories about corruption on their force and the fact that so many of them are on human growth hormones and anabolic steroids that they over reacted.

I think details in the story and comments from neighbors tend to back me up.

Of course none of this matters because even JC police officers who break their girlfriends jaws in alcohol fueled rages and JC officers who get caught drinking hard liquor while on duty and then driving drunk get off scott free.

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So you know this guy Gary and you know his dogs and you even know that they were trained to be aggressive...with such intimate knowledge how come you never complained to the city or gave a public warning on this list serve or anywhere else?

I also know it is very difficult to hit a dog of that size with a bullet if it is attacking and in close proximity...and officer could seriously injure themselves because it is very hard to get a clear shot.....but that's not what happened the article has neighbors who witnessed the police shooting the dog while on the porch with a shotgun.

The more effective method to stop animal attacks from bears to dogs is chemical spray (which cops have).

But you know this guy and his dogs and have experiences with them....and I have had my experiences with the jersey city cops including being beaten with a club across my back from one while I lay prone and held down by other cops....that same cop had incidents in his past where he threatened to kill an owner's dog for talking back at him.

I'm not masking my bias, based on the limited details in the article and my own experience my money's with Gary.

Since you know him so well next time you see him tell him I said hi and I'll buy him some leashes.

just as an fyi....it is not unusual for police officers to kill dogs for fun. Search different news databases and you will see this for yourself. Police officers know they can get away with a lot.

http://youtu.be/8mvIWFXbHNo

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Then the JCPD needs to be given an award. If this guys pitbulls have super freakish speed and jump like spiderman...with them being able to jump on a person in a split second.......think how amazing a jersey city cop has to be to kill 4 of them with a shotgun no less.

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lol There probably isn't enough people at the FBI to even begin to untangle the mess at HCIA much less the rest of them.

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1. Were the pitbulls wild and feral or did they have an owner who was also present?

2. Did the police have information on them when they arrived that the pitbulls hadn't eaten in a few days and were in fact roaming the area looking for a meal?

3. Were neighbors and civilians screaming for help and calling JCPD to come slaughter the monstrous beasts that had descended on the neighborhood looking for children to eat?

Last time I checked dog hunting in Jersey City was illegal and the penalty for having unleashed dogs was not having them shot to death in front of their owner.

It is reasonable to surmise that it is up to an officers judgment to determine whether or not the dogs constituted such an immediate danger to life that they must be put down..........but i don't give jersey city cops, who have a culture of lawlessness and steroid abuse, the benefit of the doubt. Like in many other cases with the JCPD they had other ways to handle the situation.

you make a good point Grove Path.....black guy and pit bulls...must be guilty.

The truth doesn't matter...if this guy has any history whatsoever he won't even be able to fight it.

If you have wild uncontrollable dogs who are behaving aggressively with each other and there are people in the area being threatened or attacked a police officer needs to do whatever is in their means...discharging a gun trying to shoot a dog acting wildly...unless you're an expert marksman and even then...isn't easy. Hell people with rifles and scopes miss deer that are just standing still.

In this case it was 5am...the owner was present. Neighbors are complaining about the way the cops slaughtered the dogs on a porch.

None of us were there...I am guessing as you all are based partially on what is said in the press and my personal experiences with the JCPD and their culture.

The only citizens in danger were put there by police officers firing their weapons and the trauma they put people through who had to witness what they did.

I read the follow up article where they speak to neighbors....these cops gunned them down ....shooting one of thm that was on a porch.

My opinion, informed by my own interactions with these thug/criminals that are in the JCPD....guy had his dogs off leash had words with the cop....so the cops killed his dogs.

This wasn't a wild pack of hungry dogs running in the street....the danger to the citizens was the gun play by these likely roided up cops

after going through what I did and being privy to information through discovery in my lawsuit against the JCPD...after all was said and done I asked myself...wow, what would it take for a Jersey City Cop to actually get fired. This article answers my question.

Basically you can F$3k around for about 12 years doing all sorts of shady and undisciplined things and god knows what else to the citizens of JC...but getting into an armed standoff with your fellow officers is what it takes to get prosecuted by Hudson County and even then you won't get fired unless you are first convicted.

How does this work again? Does this guy now show up on the fire department payroll?

it's senseless and barbaric...plenty of other ways of controlling the population. Besides these people are baiting the bears with donuts and dogfood then shooting them like fish in a barrel....that's real sport... These animals are for the most part docile and fearful of humans....how often do you hear of a bear fatality in NJ?

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Either the Fire Department or another municipality they have an "arrangement" with.

1. he shouldnt have been a cop based on whatever this mysterious medical condition is that causes him to black out and drive at twice the legal speed limit

2. he shouldn't have been a cop based on the fact that he was taking testosterone and human growth hormone

3. he shouldnt have been a cop because the pharmacy in brooklyn where all the JC cops got their illegal steroids was run by the mafia.

4. Hudson County should not have had anything to do with the case and should have referred it to another county

In Jersey City/Hudson County cops get away with anything and everything including murder. They need a special Federal prosecutor to look at the nexus of politicians-prosecutors-police and law breaking.

Jersey City politicians and the Hudson County prosecutors office have been silent if not enablers based on their comments to the press regarding the number of JCPD using human growth hormone and steroids. Hopefully the Feds who are looking in to the steroid scandal will also turn up other interesting evidence that will lead to the uncovering of things like.....prosecutors purposely losing grand jury hearings for JCPD involved in highly public scandals.

The police officers who answered my 911 call were "undercover officers" I did not see badges on them and when I opened my apartment door one of them rushed me. I presume most people don't expect to open their door late at night and be rushed by someone dressed as a thug especially after calling 911 to report intruders on the roof.

As I attempted to close the door behind me so they could not get into the building the one undercover officer punched me in the face and then punched me a half a dozen times or so in the head as i was crunched holding the railing outside my building. At no time did he or the other officer say they were police officers...nor would I expect a police officer to sucker punch me in the face.

When uniformed officers arrived they began to beat me. At the time I am still unaware that the two men beating me are undercover cops...when uniformed officers arrived I thought at first I was getting hit while they were trying to get those guys off of me...it took a while to realize that I was being singled out for a beating.

Even after handcuffed and picked off the concrete I assumed I would look over and see the other guys who attacked me cuffed. Only at that time did the first officer who attacked me pull out his badge. He then began to berate me and curse at me...all caught on my cell phone as it ?butt dialed? 911 during the beating and much of it got recorded (judge said this evidence wasn't useful to him)

The person on the roof and others mostly saw this second part of the confrontation and they didn't have a clear site of what was going on. It is routine for officers to yell "Stop Resisting" while beating people as this gives the perception the person being beaten must be doing something wrong. This tactic has been well documented by the ACLU and Human Rights Watch.

The neighbor saw a badge on only one officer...not the one who rushed me. That neighbor also testified that the police never identified themselves to her or told her why they were there. This neighbor gave statements after the incident about what happened then changed their story after a visit from Internal Affairs. They were understandably scared. Other witnesses refused to come forward because they did not want any problems with the police.

The first undercover officer who sucker punched me was part of the 50+ users of steroids and human growth hormone on the jersey city police force (other officers on the scene were also users)...these steroids were obtained at a pharmacy in Brooklyn with organized crime connections...the JCPD officers getting their roids and growth hormone were outed when NYPD raided this pharmacy and discovered this information. Discovery surrounding my lawsuit brought out the full scope of this abuse and contributed to the award winning story in the Star Ledger last December of NJ Law enforcement abuse of these drugs. I take some comfort in the fact that this story is resulting in changes to state laws and law enforcement regulations which will benefit citizens down the road by protecting them from police officers with roid rage.

In my case the police officers falsely arrested me and charged me with aggravated assault. Despite the fact that not even the second undercover officer would say on the stand that he saw me land a punch on the undercover officer who rushed me (The first officer to approach me claimed that after he identified himself as a cop I punched him).

If this police officer's story was true and if the police and the city really believed that I called the police then waited for them to arrive to attack them they wouldn't have driven me back home to my apartment after bringing me to the ER and processing me nor would they have dropped the criminal charges.

Winning cases against the police is always extremely difficult. Witnesses are reluctant to testify, the police will lie and the system in place will do whatever is necessary to cover up and obscure the facts. Then in many cases Judges and even Juries are reluctant to find police officers guilty partly because some feel our society warrants aggressive police tactics and people like me are collateral damage other times Judges rule in favor of the police simply to protect the system itself despite its faults.

My case seemed like an open and shut case. Why would a citizen call 911 to report a burglary and then attack the police? How does a 5 foot 7 160lb individual become the incredible hulk and fight off 7 police officers, some wielding night sticks and others on steroid and human growth hormone? Photographs and report from the emergency room show that my injuries were the result of trauma and repeated strikes (yet the judge basically states my injuries are a mystery because after all the cops said they never hit me so I must not have been hit...must have happened some other way I guess).

At the end of the day the city of Jersey City spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend what these cops did to me. Deputy Police Chief Nablach is "pleased with the decision" he should be they got away with another one. What message does this send to the police in Jersey City? It says you are not just permitted to enforce the law buy you may also continue handing out punishment and street justice to individuals you come in contact with and if that individual happens to be an innocent citizen you mistake for a criminal...that's ok you'll still get away with it.

My advice to others who find themselves a victim of police violence especially in Jersey City:

1. Do not cooperate with Internal Affairs. They will not investigate the incident rather their investigators will turn your life inside out investigating you, trying to find anything they can to muddy your character or disrupt your life. In my case they did not interview or speak to one single officer who was on the scene that night - not one. They did however scour the area for ?witnesses? bringing them downtown to police headquarters to give an interview. During said interviews they will lead with the questions and ask the same ones over and over until they get the answer they want. The police who victimized you can then change their testimony in court to match more closely these ?independent witness? statements. If the officers testimony differs from what was in the police report it doesn't matter. I had witnesses who gave statements about what happened and then after a visit from Internal Affairs changed their statements.

2. Despite the high probability of losing you have to take civil action. While the ultimate judge who heard my case ruled for the officers the discovery leading up to my case exposed previous and continuing use of steroids and human growth hormone by law enforcement. Going through the process itself may be enough to make some of these officers think twice before they use excessive force on an individual.

3. Realize that when you choose to bring an action like this against the police and a city the case is bigger than you are and bigger than the incident at hand. The city is a political animal and your action may embarrass city officials or police brass or affect other matters the city is involved in. The city has unlimited resources and connections to fight back with....in my case alone the city spent at least 400,000 dollars. They hired two independent law firms and used a number of their own lawyers to fight this case. Far exceeding the cost of what it would have taken to settle this case w/o admitting fault.

4. An acquaintance of mine who works for a large law firm in NYC that handles many police brutality cases had this to say....which I think sums up reality in a nutshell:

?I can trade horrible war stories with anyone. It?s very discouraging at times, be we try to do our best. In many situations, it does seem that the bigger the case the more unfair the outcome.
We?ve conclusively proven that cops lie in various cases only to have judges make up their own theories to protect the police. It?s just crazy. It?s hard to explain to anyone that has not been through it.?

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I don't doubt there are instances of workers shirking or that doing an exhibit in NYC is extremely expensive or that for a long time the mafia controlled the Javitz center, the fish market, trucking outfits and the unions that represented workers in many of these locations. This is all true.

It's also true that a slice of pizza and soda costs almost twice as much in NYC as it does in Rutheford and that a soda at the movie theater is 4 times what it costs at the supermarket (ironically the supermarket is union, coke and pepsi are union but the movie theater is non-union....can't blame unions there)

My point is the fact that the workforce is unionized does not change the fact that businesses in NYC will charge higher for services....unions only change the distribution of profits.

The article itself points this out...even after union work rules were changed prices to exhibitors increased!

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