Register now !    Login  
Main Menu
Who's Online
55 user(s) are online (51 user(s) are browsing Message Forum)

Members: 0
Guests: 55

more...




Browsing this Thread:   1 Anonymous Users




(1) 2 »


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#39
Newbie
Newbie


Hide User information
Joined:
2015/5/1 13:25
Last Login :
2020/6/23 17:57
From Jersey City - Bergen-Lafayette
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 16
Offline
Does anyone know of any update on this project? Thanks,

Posted on: 2016/8/18 16:54
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#38
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2015/4/29 1:47
Last Login :
2019/11/16 6:03
From DT JC
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 207
Offline
Has anyone seen or heard anything from Candice Osborne about this proposal...? I live downtown and expect that Candice (Ward E councilperson) would be mobilizing community input about it. Yet, there doesn't seem to have been a single word from her. I couldn't find anything about this bridge or the meeting on her Twitter feed. Candice's lack of visibility on an issue related to traffic in downtown ? something she campaigned on ? worries me a lot. The public meeting is Monday June 22, I'm wondering if she will even show...?

Posted on: 2015/6/20 16:02
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#37
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/2/16 0:26
Last Login :
2016/10/22 1:46
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 357
Offline
Grrr! Side streets in the most populated city in NJ next to the most populated city in the USA have traffic! And if this one roadway connection is built, downtown will go from just-tolerable to carmageddon!


Posted on: 2015/6/19 10:41
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#36
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/6 21:13
Last Login :
4/5 17:57
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 5571
Offline
Quote:

tern wrote:
Adding another road emptying into Communipaw/Grand won't help, the new road will be equally as blocked as the others. Anyone living in Bergen Lafayette who thinks this road will magically eliminate these jams is mistaken.
Robin.

You can't convince them, it's an article of faith at this point. The same mantras get repeated, like "it's a shortcut to Downtown from B-L." That's for people who can't use maps. I repost this map showing its actually longer.

Resized Image

Posted on: 2015/6/19 0:09
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#35
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2006/5/10 16:36
Last Login :
8/27 23:51
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 914
Offline
I have spent the last school year driving over to Snyder High school every morning at 8:00 am and then back to Exchange Place, so consider myself an expert on the traffic stuation in that area. I have tried every possible route when getting back during rush hour.

In the morning rush hour every road running north from Bergen Lafayette is blocked up - Bergen, MLK, Ocean, Garfield, Pacific - all of them are backed up, and this is because Communipaw/Grand is backed up, it's simple!

Adding another road emptying into Communipaw/Grand won't help, the new road will be equally as blocked as the others. Anyone living in Bergen Lafayette who thinks this road will magically eliminate these jams is mistaken.


Robin.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 22:26
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#34
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/8/12 18:31
Last Login :
2020/4/26 22:05
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 3761
Offline
Quote:

stillinjc wrote:
Quote:

bodhipooh wrote:
Quote:

kvreddy wrote:
There are number of neighborhoods in southern tip of Jersey City and Bayonne that don?t have access to HBLR and use public transportation/shuttles to PATH. This bridge would make their access to PATH easier.


This should TERRIFY anyone that lives in the area. A few years ago, I came within inches of being hit (and, possibly, ran over) by an Alexan shuttle bus. The drivers of those shuttles would routinely speed down Philips Rd, blow past the STOP sign at the corner with Audrey Zapp Dr, where they would then make a left to end up on Johnston Ave. I called to complain and the very next day they changed their route to avoid that intersection. But, of course, you still have the regular joe drivers that seem to be completely oblivious to the existence of the STOP sign at that intersection and which almost universally refuse to respect the crosswalk there. I have had many, many close calls there. The city and state have abdicated their responsibility in ensuring the safety of that intersection, and have failed to capitalize on what could be a potential windfall in fines. And, for that reason alone, I oppose the construction of a car bridge connecting LSP to Jersey Avenue: if drivers are already such a menace to pedestrians and runners crossing at that intersection, imagine if the cars could now continue on towards a bridge...


I think that intersection will have lights.


That *could* be an improvement, or not. Given how some drivers LOVE to run stop signs and lights all over downtown, I am not sure this will be better for pedestrians.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 19:09
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#33
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/11/28 22:22
Last Login :
2018/7/19 12:07
From Jersey City yo!
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 608
Offline
Quote:

bodhipooh wrote:
Quote:

kvreddy wrote:
There are number of neighborhoods in southern tip of Jersey City and Bayonne that don?t have access to HBLR and use public transportation/shuttles to PATH. This bridge would make their access to PATH easier.


This should TERRIFY anyone that lives in the area. A few years ago, I came within inches of being hit (and, possibly, ran over) by an Alexan shuttle bus. The drivers of those shuttles would routinely speed down Philips Rd, blow past the STOP sign at the corner with Audrey Zapp Dr, where they would then make a left to end up on Johnston Ave. I called to complain and the very next day they changed their route to avoid that intersection. But, of course, you still have the regular joe drivers that seem to be completely oblivious to the existence of the STOP sign at that intersection and which almost universally refuse to respect the crosswalk there. I have had many, many close calls there. The city and state have abdicated their responsibility in ensuring the safety of that intersection, and have failed to capitalize on what could be a potential windfall in fines. And, for that reason alone, I oppose the construction of a car bridge connecting LSP to Jersey Avenue: if drivers are already such a menace to pedestrians and runners crossing at that intersection, imagine if the cars could now continue on towards a bridge...


I think that intersection will have lights.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 18:55
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#32
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/8/12 18:31
Last Login :
2020/4/26 22:05
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 3761
Offline
Quote:

kvreddy wrote:
There are number of neighborhoods in southern tip of Jersey City and Bayonne that don?t have access to HBLR and use public transportation/shuttles to PATH. This bridge would make their access to PATH easier.


This should TERRIFY anyone that lives in the area. A few years ago, I came within inches of being hit (and, possibly, ran over) by an Alexan shuttle bus. The drivers of those shuttles would routinely speed down Philips Rd, blow past the STOP sign at the corner with Audrey Zapp Dr, where they would then make a left to end up on Johnston Ave. I called to complain and the very next day they changed their route to avoid that intersection. But, of course, you still have the regular joe drivers that seem to be completely oblivious to the existence of the STOP sign at that intersection and which almost universally refuse to respect the crosswalk there. I have had many, many close calls there. The city and state have abdicated their responsibility in ensuring the safety of that intersection, and have failed to capitalize on what could be a potential windfall in fines. And, for that reason alone, I oppose the construction of a car bridge connecting LSP to Jersey Avenue: if drivers are already such a menace to pedestrians and runners crossing at that intersection, imagine if the cars could now continue on towards a bridge...

Posted on: 2015/6/18 18:43
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#31
Newbie
Newbie


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/2/8 14:07
Last Login :
2015/12/7 15:43
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 4
Offline
I am totally for this.
There are number of neighborhoods in southern tip of Jersey City and Bayonne that don?t have access to HBLR and use public transportation/shuttles to PATH. This bridge would make their access to PATH easier. Also, makes Bergen Lafayette neighborhood connected with downtown.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 17:32
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#30
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2014/9/16 19:15
Last Login :
2019/2/27 14:41
From Jersey City
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 448
Offline
Even if the park isn't badly affected, does it really make sense for local streets to be a highway bypass by design? Marin is bad enough already. We should be fighting against having even more cars passing through local neighborhoods.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 15:16
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#29
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/6 21:13
Last Login :
4/5 17:57
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 5571
Offline
Quote:

Hot_Soup wrote:
And Brewster, are you being coy? There is a rather fun 2-minute ferry to the park, granted it only runs every 30 minutes.


No, I didn't know about it, living in HP there was no reason for me to look for it! So there's your answer on now to get from PH to LSP without the "hardship" of Jersey Ave.

Don't need to respond to Jmiz, it seems covered by the crowd. And yeah, we're pissing in the wind, this is a done deal and always has been.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 15:15
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#28
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/8/6 22:56
Last Login :
2019/11/14 1:56
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1010
Offline
I'm not a car booster, but IMO it's highly unlikely this is going to cause an epic traffic tie-up.

It's just going to make it a little easier for some people to get to LSP, LSC and a few other spots. It may not be the best use of that funding, but it will not result in an Autocopalyse In the Park.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 14:12
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#27
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/8/6 22:56
Last Login :
2019/11/14 1:56
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1010
Offline
Quote:

jcguy05 wrote:
It is absolutely ridiculously that the downtown residents can see liberty state park 20 feet away but in order to get to it needs to drive a circle around jersey, not to mention increasing unnecessary traffic.

As already noted, it's not ridiculous. It's an active marina, and building a footbridge will be prohibitively expensive and won't meet accessibility needs.

In terms of getting there, here's a simple solution: Walk to the pedestrian bridge. Or, better yet: Hop on your bike. You'll be in the park in 10 minutes tops. Lots of people do it every day.

And please, don't expect gobs of sympathy because it takes you the same amount of time to get to Liberty State Park as everyone else in DTJC.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 14:10
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#26
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2005/6/8 3:24
Last Login :
9/1 11:32
From New Urbanist Area
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1398
Offline
The Johnston Avenue crossing doesn't get gridlocked, because right now it doesn't lead to a road that cuts through to downtown.

If the Jersey Avenue extension is opened, there will of course be more traffic.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 13:53
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#25
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/11/10 20:38
Last Login :
2018/2/1 3:02
From JC
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 2898
Offline
Quote:

tommyc_37 wrote:

Not to mention the very obvious negative impact it will have on the Van Vorst Park area. This is very bad, and it makes me sick that it seems like a done deal. Fulop sold his soul on this one, and that sucks.


Weren't you so shocked that Fulop also supports the casino? I hate to break it to you but the way our modern political system is set up, money rules all. Your choice is either a drunk incompetent fool, or someone who "sells his soul."

Better get used to it.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 12:47
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#24
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2014/9/16 19:15
Last Login :
2019/2/27 14:41
From Jersey City
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 448
Offline
Quote:

jmiz wrote:
Wrong on the first account. I am the furthest from a B-L resident. I do think it's comical that downtown residents see this bridge as a one way super freeway to their beloved, quiet and traffic-free neighborhoods and not as a two-way mutually beneficial logical roadway connection to one of the most prized open spaces in all of Hudson County.

As for your traffic theory, yes, I agree and it is likely to happen. However, this scenario is not the life changing shortcut that will attract the masses that you're predicting. Anyone looking to shortcut the Holland Tunnel traffic is getting off on a legit exit ramp that is the Columbus BLVD exit.


You clearly don't go down that way very often. There are a LOT of people that come up from the Bayonne Bridge that would benefit from this. Check out the traffic by Caven Point some day and tell me everyone uses the Columbus exit.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 12:42
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#23
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/1/3 19:12
Last Login :
2020/9/30 18:46
From Van Vorst Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 2294
Offline
Yup, K-Lo. You just linked to another example of how urban cities all over the world are firmly moving away from pandering to vehicles, and are instead increasing safety and access for pedestrians.

Jersey City has made a firm commitment to the opposite, and this vehicular bridge into our crown jewel park is one example.

Jersey City should be focusing on increasing pedestrian access to the park, which is abysmal, rather than increasing car access. WTF? This is a park. Not a shopping mall.

Not to mention the very obvious negative impact it will have on the Van Vorst Park area. This is very bad, and it makes me sick that it seems like a done deal. Fulop sold his soul on this one, and that sucks.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 12:36
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#22
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/9/10 17:55
Last Login :
2016/10/21 19:48
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1206
Offline
.....and once the roads and bridges are built.....this?

http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/proposed ... iving-through-city-parks/

Posted on: 2015/6/18 12:20
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#21
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2013/5/15 14:11
Last Login :
2020/10/5 21:44
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 4443
Offline
I agree that it's a done deal. Fulop gave away all that land for the Liberty Science Center hotel and school, do you think he's going to want people to drive Johnston/Pacific/Grand to get to downtown from there? Not to mention the casino traffic from further down the street.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 11:24
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#20
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2015/4/29 1:47
Last Login :
2019/11/16 6:03
From DT JC
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 207
Offline
I'm with Brewster and EthanCrane ? build a new road and the cars will come, filling it to capacity very quickly. So to me this is bad news. Moreover, I think it's a ?done deal?, and the community meeting on June 22nd is entirely pro forma. Those wanting commercial development in the LSP / Science Center vicinity (casino, hotel, etc.) see this bridge as a requirement to improve access. They could care less about traffic on local streets, or about riders on the HBLR.

Here's what I believe will happen if (when) this bridge is built. During the a.m. rush hour as drivers seek an alternate to the Colombus Drive exit both the HBLR crossing and the Jersey / Grand intersection will become significantly congested. Why? The traffic volume that this new route can handle is limited due to the HBLR grade crossing on Jersey with frequent red lights so trains can get through. Then, for traffic that does reach Jersey & Grand, those lights will need to be re-timed to stop the traffic on Grand ? more congestion.

Here's what should happen next but won't given the history of ?planning? in Jersey City. A legitimate traffic study needs to be conducted with special attention to these issues. The results should be released for public scrutiny and analysis. Someone should time the lights and figure out just how many cars can get through, and the effect at the potential bottlenecks. Moreover, since grade crossings aren't optimal this could be quite unsafe. NJT needs to provide input, as do riders on the HBLR who will be delayed by any cars on the tracks, any accidents and any changes to timing of lights at the crossing.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 11:02
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#19
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/2/16 0:26
Last Login :
2016/10/22 1:46
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 357
Offline
Quote:

brewster wrote:
I did not say Grand would gridlock, I said The HBLR grade crossing would. Why? because commuting drivers are self centered pricks, judging by the constant gridlock at certain roads and intersections, like 18th & Jersey where it's difficult to cross Jersey during afternoon rush. I see the difficulty of getting past the Grand light backing up traffic to the crossing, with the inevitable morons who will go even though they can't get through the crossing.


And I asked if the HBLR crossing on Johnston gets blocked? Let me answer that for you: it doesn't. You wouldn't know that, because Johnston Ave is outside of your downtown cocoon.

Quote:
The faith of Lafayette residents, of which you presumably are one, that this will ease their traffic is absurd, and goes against all the history of "bypass" road construction in heavily trafficked areas. The moment you make it easier to drive via any route people will fill it to the point of saturation. Every driver that switches to the bridge route will be replaced by another, I guarantee it. They thought building the Lincoln Tunnel would reduce traffic on the Holland. It did, for a very short time.


Wrong on the first account. I am the furthest from a B-L resident. I do think it's comical that downtown residents see this bridge as a one way super freeway to their beloved, quiet and traffic-free neighborhoods and not as a two-way mutually beneficial logical roadway connection to one of the most prized open spaces in all of Hudson County.

As for your traffic theory, yes, I agree and it is likely to happen. However, this scenario is not the life changing shortcut that will attract the masses that you're predicting. Anyone looking to shortcut the Holland Tunnel traffic is getting off on a legit exit ramp that is the Columbus BLVD exit.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 11:01
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#18
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2005/9/22 15:12
Last Login :
2020/5/21 2:16
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 161
Offline
Boy, I would love to see this terrible idea get killed. This offers nothing to downtown JC. We'll get tons more traffic and no benefit.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 2:36
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#17
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/6 21:13
Last Login :
4/5 17:57
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 5571
Offline
Quote:

jmiz wrote:
Does the HBLR crossing under the train tracks on Johnston gridlock? Why would Grand St. gridlock?

Which cars coming from the Turnpike that would take the new Jersey Ave bridge are not already on Johnston?

The cars that use Johnston > Pacific still cross at Jersey and Grand. Do those cars cause intersection gridlock? Why would there be instant gridlock if the cars are coming down Jersey instead of down Grand?

Your rational is so misdirected.


I did not say Grand would gridlock, I said The HBLR grade crossing would. Why? because commuting drivers are self centered pricks, judging by the constant gridlock at certain roads and intersections, like 18th & Jersey where it's difficult to cross Jersey during afternoon rush. I see the difficulty of getting past the Grand light backing up traffic to the crossing, with the inevitable morons who will go even though they can't get through the crossing.

The faith of Lafayette residents, of which you presumably are one, that this will ease their traffic is absurd, and goes against all the history of "bypass" road construction in heavily trafficked areas. The moment you make it easier to drive via any route people will fill it to the point of saturation. Every driver that switches to the bridge route will be replaced by another, I guarantee it. They thought building the Lincoln Tunnel would reduce traffic on the Holland. It did, for a very short time.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 1:20
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#16
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/8/12 18:31
Last Login :
2020/4/26 22:05
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 3761
Offline
Quote:

Cilento wrote:
What about a gondola or sky ride across the marina, like Roosevelt Island?


Since we are throwing around impossible pipe dreams, how about unicorn rides? Nah. Better yet, how about flying, fire-breathing dragon rides?

Quote:

The view from the gondola would be amazing.


This is true

Quote:

I proposed a London Eye type of ferris wheel experience there long ago, long before the Staten Island announcement. I see this spot as a real opportunity for JC. Tourist would come across from the city if there was something worth seeing/doing. It worked in London. The south bank is now a real destination whereas before it was mainly ignored. And the entire reason for its development as a tourist destination was the view back over the river.


I think this is what they mean when they say we should study and learn history so we can better understand it. The London Eye (now branded as the Coca Cola London Eye...!) was not part of some sort of government program to develop the south bank as a "real destination". Where did you get that from!? It was a vanity project as part of the Millenium (Y2K) celebrations. It wasn't even supposed to be a permanent installation!! That only became a reality in 2002, when it was decided that it would be a permanent London attraction.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 1:00
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#15
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2013/5/15 14:11
Last Login :
2020/10/5 21:44
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 4443
Offline
Quote:

Cilento wrote:
What about a gondola or sky ride across the marina, like Roosevelt Island? Why not turn that spot into a destination? Link it to Liberty State Park and you've got yourself a fun weekend experience for tourists. Downtown loses out on tourism in LSP because it might as well be across the Hudson.

The view from the gondola would be amazing. I proposed a London Eye type of ferris wheel experience there long ago, long before the Staten Island announcement. I see this spot as a real opportunity for JC. Tourist would come across from the city if there was something worth seeing/doing. It worked in London. The south bank is now a real destination whereas before it was mainly ignored. And the entire reason for its development as a tourist destination was the view back over the river.


We'll probably see a gondola before we see the scaffolding taken down around the Goldman Sachs building . . .

Posted on: 2015/6/18 0:40
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#14
Not too shy to talk
Not too shy to talk


Hide User information
Joined:
2005/6/25 18:50
Last Login :
2018/7/14 4:02
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 40
Offline
What about a gondola or sky ride across the marina, like Roosevelt Island? Why not turn that spot into a destination? Link it to Liberty State Park and you've got yourself a fun weekend experience for tourists. Downtown loses out on tourism in LSP because it might as well be across the Hudson.

The view from the gondola would be amazing. I proposed a London Eye type of ferris wheel experience there long ago, long before the Staten Island announcement. I see this spot as a real opportunity for JC. Tourist would come across from the city if there was something worth seeing/doing. It worked in London. The south bank is now a real destination whereas before it was mainly ignored. And the entire reason for its development as a tourist destination was the view back over the river.

Posted on: 2015/6/18 0:28
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#13
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/2/16 0:26
Last Login :
2016/10/22 1:46
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 357
Offline
Quote:

brewster wrote:
As I've said every time this monster rears it's head, just picture the clusterfuck at Jersey & Grand every morning as bumper to bumper cars try to enter Downtown from this bridge. I predict they gridlock the HBLR grade crossing. And Lafayette will see no relief whatsoever, because traffic will always fill to the "pain" level.


You should really stop saying it every time.

Does the HBLR crossing under the train tracks on Johnston gridlock? Why would Grand St. gridlock?

Which cars coming from the Turnpike that would take the new Jersey Ave bridge are not already on Johnston?

The cars that use Johnston > Pacific still cross at Jersey and Grand. Do those cars cause intersection gridlock? Why would there be instant gridlock if the cars are coming down Jersey instead of down Grand?

Your rational is so misdirected.

Posted on: 2015/6/17 22:28
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#12
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2010/8/17 1:45
Last Login :
2020/8/26 13:40
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 3010
Offline
Quote:

Hot_Soup wrote:
Already suffered through 14C congestion mornings when we lived on Monmouth. Love this idea of locking people out w/EasyPass... JC streets are not an on-ramp, especially for aggro suburban drivers who ignore all signs and pedestrians.

And Brewster, are you being coy? There is a rather fun 2-minute ferry to the park, granted it only runs every 30 minutes.


In practice an ez-pass lockout would be tough. People without ez-pass going through an ez-pass lane simply get a bill in the mail. Treble the cost might work - but you risk angering folks who have a legit reason to go via JC.

Posted on: 2015/6/17 19:16
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#11
Quite a regular
Quite a regular


Hide User information
Joined:
2009/3/27 15:05
Last Login :
5/14 13:14
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 51
Offline
Quote:

brewster wrote:
Quote:

nightgownposse wrote:
Quote:

jcguy05 wrote:
why cant they just build a narrow bridge connecting the tip of washington street with liberty state park


because there are 2 marinas in the Morris canal. This would be an impossibility.


Not an impossibility, just absurdly expensive to make it high enough to clear the tallest masts. And if did, no doubt many would complain it was an eyesore blocking their views.

If the property owners of Paulus Hook really feel strongly about access, they could easily cooperate on creating a small ferry service.


ok, I should have said not feasible. My small (compared to a lot of the boats in the marina) 33 foot sail boat would need a clearance of at least 40 feet. A sail boat double that size? You are talking 80 to 100 feet of clearance. The foot bridge is where it is for a reason.

Posted on: 2015/6/17 19:14
 Top 


Re: Hearing set for $10M plan to connect Downtown Jersey City to Liberty State Park
#10
Newbie
Newbie


Hide User information
Joined:
2015/6/17 17:39
Last Login :
2015/7/8 12:39
From Hilltop/Journal Square
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 2
Offline
Already suffered through 14C congestion mornings when we lived on Monmouth. Love this idea of locking people out w/EasyPass... JC streets are not an on-ramp, especially for aggro suburban drivers who ignore all signs and pedestrians.

And Brewster, are you being coy? There is a rather fun 2-minute ferry to the park, granted it only runs every 30 minutes.

Posted on: 2015/6/17 19:02
 Top 




(1) 2 »




[Advanced Search]





Login
Username:

Password:

Remember me



Lost Password?

Register now!



LicenseInformation | AboutUs | PrivacyPolicy | Faq | Contact


JERSEY CITY LIST - News & Reviews - Jersey City, NJ - Copyright 2004 - 2017