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There was no next train. Right after you got on your train to WTC, all train service on the 33rd St line was suspended. Also, starting at 10:00 train service on the WTC line was delayed for 15 minutes because of "signal problems" so you are lucky you got on when you did.


Trains were back to the normal schedule at 7 am stopping at JSQ.

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Pretty sure the JSQ closure last night is the first time the PATH has run shuttle buses (even if it took them hours to get the system in place). Is this a new arrangement with another transit operator? Is there a chance they would run buses from, say, WTC-EXP in the event of an outage?

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Amazingly enough, the Journal Square bypass was NOT announced at PATH stations this morning.


Perhaps it is amazing, but not surprising. Yesterday, they didn't even bother trying to announce (or, remind customers) that trains were running on a holiday schedule. Everyone was confused and the whole thing was a mess. After a while, and as people kept asking conductors about trains not arriving, some conductors started to yell out their windows "reminder: trains are running on a holiday schedule!"

The PATH tone deafness when it comes to customer service is truly incredible.

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Amazingly enough, the Journal Square bypass was NOT announced at PATH stations this morning.

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I don't understand why that info has to scroll, when it should be up on the screen all the damn time.


Indeed. You can spend a couple of minutes waiting to see how many more minutes you need to wait for a train. And if an elevator is out of service in Hoboken, forget about it. Train times cease to be provided.

They should have it set up like your cable/fios channel guide, with the lower half of the screen containing 4-5 lines for the arrival times of the next 4-5 trains, with the current time in the upper-left corner and the NBC content in a box taking up the the upper-right corner. NBC would certainly want pay a lot less for shrinking their ads, and that's probably why this hasn't been done.

Who cares when your train comes? Here's a 10-minute repeating loop of ads for shows you'll never watch and word scrambles!

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UPDATE: PATH providing free bus service while trains bypass Journal Square

By The Jersey Journal

The Jersey Journal February 17, 2015 at  1:25 AM

The Port Authority is providing free bus service between Journal Square and Grove Street in Jersey City while trains continue to bypass the Square stop, the PATH Alerts website says.

The alert was posted at 12:30 a.m.:

"This is an update on the Journal Square station closure. Due to a water main break at Journal Square, all Path train service is bypassing the station. Passengers must get off at the Grove Street station and use free bus service from Grove-Journal Square. Free bus service is operating from B-1 bus platform at Journal Square. Path employees in red jackets are in place to guide you.''

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _service_while_train.html


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Journal Square PATH station closed because of 'water condition'

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February 16, 2015 at  9:32 PM

PATH trains are currently not stopping at the Journal Square station in Jersey City because of a "water condition" there, according to PATHAlerts.

Jersey City Public Safety spokeswoman said the city's fire department responded to Journal Square where a water pipe inside the building over the station froze and burst.


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Just got a PATH alert that the Journal Square station is closed due to a "water condition" and trains will not stop there. FYI in case you have not yet returned home.

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I don't understand why that info has to scroll, when it should be up on the screen all the damn time.

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Oh come on - you're already stuck in the train station. Does it matter whether it's gonna come in the next 5 min, or 50 min, or tomorrow, or never???? jk... My take is that their priority is different than ours - well, that's pretty obvious, isn't it!?!?!?!?

However, I do agree it's illogical. I often wonder who picks what gets displayed in the train stations' TVs. They sometimes have the weirdest stuff on those TVs (when it's working)!

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Does anybody know why the "Next Train Scheduled to..." updates do not usually appear on the monitors on the platform late at night? A) wouldn't you think it's simpler to provide schedules when it's super low frequency, and B) isn't the time of the next train more important than the NBC gossip updates that are published on the screens? Oy, Port Authority.

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Oh come on - you're already stuck in the train station. Does it matter whether it's gonna come in the next 5 min, or 50 min, or tomorrow, or never???? jk... My take is that their priority is different than ours - well, that's pretty obvious, isn't it!?!?!?!?

However, I do agree it's illogical. I often wonder who picks what gets displayed in the train stations' TVs. They sometimes have the weirdest stuff on those TVs (when it's working)!

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Does anybody know why the "Next Train Scheduled to..." updates do not usually appear on the monitors on the platform late at night? A) wouldn't you think it's simpler to provide schedules when it's super low frequency, and B) isn't the time of the next train more important than the NBC gossip updates that are published on the screens? Oy, Port Authority.

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Does anybody know why the "Next Train Scheduled to..." updates do not usually appear on the monitors on the platform late at night? A) wouldn't you think it's simpler to provide schedules when it's super low frequency, and B) isn't the time of the next train more important than the NBC gossip updates that are published on the screens? Oy, Port Authority.

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Frankly, when I saw how hard he went over the Passaic Valley Sewerage Commission and the Delaware River Commission I figured he'd go after the PA after warming up on them. But reforming a group like the PA, which is so entrenched with EVERYONE, both parties, across state lines is akin to trying to make a U turn with an aircraft carrier. Hopefully some accountability will come out of this. Hopefully we can get construction costs under control without undue union cost excesses. Hopefully we can get greater citizen (and not Legislature) input.


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I wanted him to sign onto the changes. He said they don't go far enough. I support the Legislature trying to override his veto, and hope the NY State Legislature does the same to Cuomo's veto as well.

But anyone who wants to make this a Christie deal is bonkers. Go back to the beginning of the PA, every Governor since its creation has done exactly the same thing, or worse.


Ok, that's fair. Frankly, I'm disappointed because during his campaigns, Christie pushed himself as the reformer. The former prosecutor who is all about rooting out corruption.

It's amazing how dramatically that narrative has been thrown out the window. Even you seem to be conceding he's just following the corrupt status quo, which of course is the exact opposite of reform.

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I wanted him to sign onto the changes. He said they don't go far enough. I support the Legislature trying to override his veto, and hope the NY State Legislature does the same to Cuomo's veto as well.

But anyone who wants to make this a Christie deal is bonkers. Go back to the beginning of the PA, every Governor since its creation has done exactly the same thing, or worse.

No, isn't solely a Christie problem. The problem is that he's governor now. The state has a major cash crisis now. The PATH requires major upgrades now. Those other scumbags, D and R, screwed up and screwed us. But the sad excuse for a human that occupies the NJ Statehouse has made it infinitely worse because it is happening now when they can afford it the least.

Either he's correcting the problem or part of it. Since he's done buck all to correct it, he quite clearly is part of the problem.

When he is out of office and this state is in bigger shambles than when he entered and his presidential aspirations rightfully crash and burn, I'm sure his boy Samson will lock him into a sweetheart deal at his law firm.

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I wanted him to sign onto the changes. He said they don't go far enough. I support the Legislature trying to override his veto, and hope the NY State Legislature does the same to Cuomo's veto as well.

But anyone who wants to make this a Christie deal is bonkers. Go back to the beginning of the PA, every Governor since its creation has done exactly the same thing, or worse.

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In any case, I agree with everyone who wants PA reform-it's bigger than many state budgets with limited oversight.


If you truly believe that, you should attack Christie for blocking this reform. Christie and Cuomo just rejected a bipartisan reform bill that was unanimously passed by the legislatures of both states

And yes, even huge Dems like Pebble have attacked Cuomo for this disgusting action. But you seem to be carrying Christie's water yet again. No need to point to the actions of past NJ governors, I'll agree they were corrupt. But I've yet to see you condemn Christie for his recent action in rejecting unanimously passed PA reform.

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And I could bring up the Dem Gov who let the Dem employee buy the name 'World Trade Center' for $10, which he then turned into a $100 million dollar a year business, or the Democratic supported union 'prevailing wage' scam which has made PA construction so incredibly expensive . . .

In any case, I agree with everyone who wants PA reform-it's bigger than many state budgets with limited oversight.

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Not the drivers doing the subsidizing!

And Pebs, stay on topic. I understand that it's for the greater good to encourage mass transit and to subsidize it to a point. But when you get to a subsidy that's over a million dollars a day it gets to be a problem. I don't have the answer, but expecting the status quo to continue is naïve.

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I rarely take PATH, but the reality is they've been running at an operating loss of $500 million a year for at least the last three years. I guess the car commuters to NYC are propping up PATH with the usurious Hudson river crossing tolls.

But how much longer can that go on?


Who's at fault for their operating expenses being so high?

Maybe if Christie's buddy Samson wasn't handing out $1 rentals to organizations that were paying $1.5m, we wouldn't be talking about it. Maybe if Cuomo wasn't intent on using the Port Authority to build an overpriced monstrosity downtown, we wouldn't worry about it.

Instead, these two jackholes decided it was a great move to continue the tradition of putting their buddies in positions to rape the users. Only now it is worse because, as everyone before them, they took it to a new level of thuggery at a time when the money wasn't there for them to steal. So instead, they just put it in debt even more.

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Not the drivers doing the subsidizing!

And Pebs, stay on topic. I understand that it's for the greater good to encourage mass transit and to subsidize it to a point. But when you get to a subsidy that's over a million dollars a day it gets to be a problem. I don't have the answer, but expecting the status quo to continue is naïve.

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I rarely take PATH, but the reality is they've been running at an operating loss of $500 million a year for at least the last three years. I guess the car commuters to NYC are propping up PATH with the usurious Hudson river crossing tolls.

But how much longer can that go on?


Who's at fault for their operating expenses being so high?

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I rarely take PATH, but the reality is they've been running at an operating loss of $500 million a year for at least the last three years. I guess the car commuters to NYC are propping up PATH with the usurious Hudson river crossing tolls.

But how much longer can that go on?


Who's at fault for their operating expenses being so high?

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I rarely take PATH, but the reality is they've been running at an operating loss of $500 million a year for at least the last three years. I guess the car commuters to NYC are propping up PATH with the usurious Hudson river crossing tolls.

But how much longer can that go on?

I don't think you understand how mass transit works in conjunction with car travel.

The PATH isn't subsidized by cars. It is a two way street. Having the PATH means less cars on the road. This decreases the drivers travel time and gas expenditure, along with wear and tear on the car and road.

Take away mass transit and you place more drivers on an already overcrowded road. Before popping off about cash flows, you should actually learn about the topic...

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I rarely take PATH, but the reality is they've been running at an operating loss of $500 million a year for at least the last three years. I guess the car commuters to NYC are propping up PATH with the usurious Hudson river crossing tolls.

But how much longer can that go on?

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So, let's see.. a 40 trip (one month) PATH Smart Link pass is $84. To drive in would cost $240 (tunnel) plus $600 = $860. For $776, I'll take the PATH, and it's (very) occasional hiccups.


I pay 229 for the ferry. IMO that is totally worth it compared to taking that crowded, smelly, cattle transport.


They took the ferry away over by Newport so it's not an option for me anymore. Given the cost compared to the PATH, I couldn't afford to ride it with any regularity anyway. But once in a while I did spoil myself, and boy was it worth it.

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So, let's see.. a 40 trip (one month) PATH Smart Link pass is $84. To drive in would cost $240 (tunnel) plus $600 = $860. For $776, I'll take the PATH, and it's (very) occasional hiccups.


I pay 229 for the ferry. IMO that is totally worth it compared to taking that crowded, smelly, cattle transport.


Good for you. For seven minutes of my day on a train that doesn't smell it's still worth my $547.

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So, let's see.. a 40 trip (one month) PATH Smart Link pass is $84. To drive in would cost $240 (tunnel) plus $600 = $860. For $776, I'll take the PATH, and it's (very) occasional hiccups.


I pay 229 for the ferry. IMO that is totally worth it compared to taking that crowded, smelly, cattle transport.

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I have been taking the PATH to WTC each workday since 2001. I can count about four or five times (minus Sandy and 9/11) when the service was completely shut down. On very very cold frigid days, and extreme weather, anyone has to expect delays, especially on the line that starts at Newark - it's a given. However, I am rarely late to work due to a PATH problem. If drove myself in, I'd be paying $12 for the Holland Tunnel and at least $30 a day to park my car.

So, let's see.. a 40 trip (one month) PATH Smart Link pass is $84. To drive in would cost $240 (tunnel) plus $600 = $860. For $776, I'll take the PATH, and it's (very) occasional hiccups.


I agree with you that the PATH is a relative bargain. I have always been a booster/supporter of the PATH because it is remarkable to have an urban rail system that runs on schedule and does so fairly well. But, there is no denying that the almost daily signal problem issues (at least on the 33rd ST line) are an annoyance to many. And, these signal problems are definitely not isolated to days with bad weather.

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I will say that, over the past year, I used PATH a lot less than normal because of work circumstances that required me to drive. But, on the occasions I had to rely on PATH, oh boy... it seems like EVERY SINGLE DAY, there are signal problems. If it was a sporadic thing, I can see putting up with that. But, at this point, it seems to be a daily occurrence. Just today, the 33rd ST line was experiencing signal problems (again) and the platform at Grove at 9:40 was getting VERY CROWDED. I hopped on a WTC train and took the subway from WTC. Not a big deal (to me) but I can see that being an issue for the ones that stayed behind, hoping that a 33rd St line train would show up soon. And, I would be willing to bet that only half the people at Grove were able to get on the next train given how crowded it was getting. For those waiting at Pavonia... tough cookies. Something needs to change, and I can't imagine that the signal upgrade will be enough. In my mind, only the 10-car train solution can begin to address the current capacity issues.


There was no next train. Right after you got on your train to WTC, all train service on the 33rd St line was suspended. Also, starting at 10:00 train service on the WTC line was delayed for 15 minutes because of "signal problems" so you are lucky you got on when you did.


Hey, thanks for this update. I assume you stayed behind at the station? I exchanged looks with a few folks while getting into the train and you could tell that most were making the same mental calculations: stay and risk it? Or, get on this train and take the subway?

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I am going to send you a bill for the hours of my life you've wasted and the fares I have paid that have NOT resulted in getting me to my destination.

I estimate you owe me thousands.

And solely because of PATH, I cannot wait to move. >:o

Anyone that thinks MTA is as bad as PATH is on drugs.


I agree, was going to queens on sunday about a few weeks back figured i take the path to 33rd then hop on the E train.

It took me almost 1.5 hours to get from newport to 33rd. When i got to the station it was already packed, still waited 30 mins, there was literally no space left to stand on the station. Then the train finally came, the young kids started cheering..until they saw every car was already packed to the grill. Some tried to squeeze on, people were yelling no space. I ended up waiting 2 more trains before able to get on, only to get stuck at hoboken for another 15 mins while jammed inside. Once i got to 33rd street, E train to forest hills was a breeze, ran like clockwork.

But what's the alternative? drive? that's even worse and cost more $$. I am just so glad right now i can just walk to work in 5 mins in newport. But once my family outgrows the condo, not sure what to do at that point.


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Broken rail - it will be hours before 33rd Street train running again.



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I can count about four or five times (minus Sandy and 9/11) when the service was completely shut down. On very very cold frigid days, and extreme weather, anyone has to expect delays, especially on the line that starts at Newark - it's a given. However, I am rarely late to work due to a PATH problem.


Agreed.

I can’t deny the reality that the approximately five-thousand trips I’ve taken on PATH have been remarkably free of delay or trouble. As far as I’ve been able to determine, the key is simply to avoid the hours when the bulk of Generation Y feels like commuting. It’s the only variable I can control, but it seems to make all the difference.

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