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100% true. The people at Newport have it the worst. Many trains leave Grove already full. It is not at all uncommon (in my experience) to be in a train that arrives at Newport and no one there is able to get on. At this point, I am surprised more people aren't riding trains back to JSQ to ensure they get a seat without having to deal with the hassle of pushing their way into a crowded car.


I know people who ride from Newport to Hoboken instead at rush hour, and from there, take the HOB-33 train. That train is nowhere near as crowded, and the odds of getting a seat are pretty good even at rush hour. What's ridiculous is the Port Authority treats Hob-33 and JSQ-33 equally. Based on weekday ridership, they should be scaling back the frequency of Hoboken trains and increasing JSQ.

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Does anyone know what happened to the NY Waterway Ferry service from Newport?

The landing site is deteriorating, NYW doesn't think it's safe. NYW talked to Newport about an alternate site, and apparently decided that Paulus Hook was close enough.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _of_newport_terminal.html

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They will ruin the Newport stop even more. If you have to wait for a train or two to pass at Grove due to overcrowding, forget ever having enough room at Newport.


The only way to get on for folks at Newport will have to be take the train in the opposite direction to JSQ, then get on the empty train going back. I did it every morning during Sandy and sure beats missing 3-4 trains in a row.


100% true. The people at Newport have it the worst. Many trains leave Grove already full. It is not at all uncommon (in my experience) to be in a train that arrives at Newport and no one there is able to get on. At this point, I am surprised more people aren't riding trains back to JSQ to ensure they get a seat without having to deal with the hassle of pushing their way into a crowded car.

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Does anyone know what happened to the NY Waterway Ferry service from Newport?


After a year, or two, during which they kept saying it would be rebuilt, they finally decided to do away with it.

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They will ruin the Newport stop even more. If you have to wait for a train or two to pass at Grove due to overcrowding, forget ever having enough room at Newport.


The only way to get on for folks at Newport will have to be take the train in the opposite direction to JSQ, then get on the empty train going back. I did it every morning during Sandy and sure beats missing 3-4 trains in a row.

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Does anyone know what happened to the NY Waterway Ferry service from Newport?

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If Staten Island can get a free ferry, why can't Jersey City?


Nothing is free. So who will pay for it?


How about the tax payers who pay some of the highest taxes in the nation?

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Been here in DTJC for 26 years, the PATH Train is a nightmare as far as crowding goes. It's only going to get worse. Lets review, the trains go in on one track and return on another. Any train that goes into 33rd Street has to be turned around and so all but one of the inbound trains have to wait. They cannot increase service. If they had a circular route then it would be easy to increase trains.


I ride the PATH every weekday from 830-9. It's not a nightmare. If there's delays, yes the trains are very full. And some times I can't get on the first train that gets by. But it's not a nightmare. Enough with the histrionics.

Ever talk to someone who rode the 4-5-6 or L? You'd be begging for the PATH.

That being said, the PATH could be so much better than it is and it's clear that the service is what it is now because they don't care about serving its riders.


if a briefcase up your butt for 30 minutes to 33rd street is not a nightmare then I don't want to know what kind of nightmares you have...


That's a rare occurrence for me at least. If it's that bad for you, politely ask them to put the bag down.

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Been here in DTJC for 26 years, the PATH Train is a nightmare as far as crowding goes. It's only going to get worse. Lets review, the trains go in on one track and return on another. Any train that goes into 33rd Street has to be turned around and so all but one of the inbound trains have to wait. They cannot increase service. If they had a circular route then it would be easy to increase trains.


I ride the PATH every weekday from 830-9. It's not a nightmare. If there's delays, yes the trains are very full. And some times I can't get on the first train that gets by. But it's not a nightmare. Enough with the histrionics.

Ever talk to someone who rode the 4-5-6 or L? You'd be begging for the PATH.

That being said, the PATH could be so much better than it is and it's clear that the service is what it is now because they don't care about serving its riders.


It is packed to capacity by Grove Street, and there are three soon-to-be-full highrises just outside the entrance. So, a nightmare-in-the-making, at least.


Overall, it's not packed to capacity at Grove. That's just hyperbole.

But I am also concerned about Grove once these new buildings are finished.

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If Staten Island can get a free ferry, why can't Jersey City?

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It is packed to capacity by Grove Street, and there are three soon-to-be-full highrises just outside the entrance. So, a nightmare-in-the-making, at least.


Yeah Grove to WTC felt like the worst ever. Nobody ever gets off and it's always packed during the morning rush. When I used to be in that area a few years ago, I would often just walk to Exch Pl. since a lot of people from JSQ and beyond get off there.

Those new high rises will seriously ruin that stop.


They will ruin the Newport stop even more. If you have to wait for a train or two to pass at Grove due to overcrowding, forget ever having enough room at Newport.

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It is packed to capacity by Grove Street, and there are three soon-to-be-full highrises just outside the entrance. So, a nightmare-in-the-making, at least.


Yeah Grove to WTC felt like the worst ever. Nobody ever gets off and it's always packed during the morning rush. When I used to be in that area a few years ago, I would often just walk to Exch Pl. since a lot of people from JSQ and beyond get off there.

Those new high rises will seriously ruin that stop.

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Been here in DTJC for 26 years, the PATH Train is a nightmare as far as crowding goes. It's only going to get worse. Lets review, the trains go in on one track and return on another. Any train that goes into 33rd Street has to be turned around and so all but one of the inbound trains have to wait. They cannot increase service. If they had a circular route then it would be easy to increase trains.


I ride the PATH every weekday from 830-9. It's not a nightmare. If there's delays, yes the trains are very full. And some times I can't get on the first train that gets by. But it's not a nightmare. Enough with the histrionics.

Ever talk to someone who rode the 4-5-6 or L? You'd be begging for the PATH.

That being said, the PATH could be so much better than it is and it's clear that the service is what it is now because they don't care about serving its riders.


if a briefcase up your butt for 30 minutes to 33rd street is not a nightmare then I don't want to know what kind of nightmares you have...

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Been here in DTJC for 26 years, the PATH Train is a nightmare as far as crowding goes. It's only going to get worse. Lets review, the trains go in on one track and return on another. Any train that goes into 33rd Street has to be turned around and so all but one of the inbound trains have to wait. They cannot increase service. If they had a circular route then it would be easy to increase trains.


I ride the PATH every weekday from 830-9. It's not a nightmare. If there's delays, yes the trains are very full. And some times I can't get on the first train that gets by. But it's not a nightmare. Enough with the histrionics.

Ever talk to someone who rode the 4-5-6 or L? You'd be begging for the PATH.

That being said, the PATH could be so much better than it is and it's clear that the service is what it is now because they don't care about serving its riders.


It is packed to capacity by Grove Street, and there are three soon-to-be-full highrises just outside the entrance. So, a nightmare-in-the-making, at least.

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Been here in DTJC for 26 years, the PATH Train is a nightmare as far as crowding goes. It's only going to get worse. Lets review, the trains go in on one track and return on another. Any train that goes into 33rd Street has to be turned around and so all but one of the inbound trains have to wait. They cannot increase service. If they had a circular route then it would be easy to increase trains.


I ride the PATH every weekday from 830-9. It's not a nightmare. If there's delays, yes the trains are very full. And some times I can't get on the first train that gets by. But it's not a nightmare. Enough with the histrionics.

Ever talk to someone who rode the 4-5-6 or L? You'd be begging for the PATH.

That being said, the PATH could be so much better than it is and it's clear that the service is what it is now because they don't care about serving its riders.

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Been here in DTJC for 26 years, the PATH Train is a nightmare as far as crowding goes. It's only going to get worse. Lets review, the trains go in on one track and return on another. Any train that goes into 33rd Street has to be turned around and so all but one of the inbound trains have to wait. They cannot increase service. If they had a circular route then it would be easy to increase trains.

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Dolomiti - you are aware that the PATH a few years ago was cheaper, less crowded, and had increased service (ie. Direct train from HOB to 33rd on weekends for example).

I am, I've taken the PATH for years. I take it nearly every day, including during rush hour.

I don't see a huge difference in crowding. There are many times during the morning rush hour when one 33rd Street train will be packed to the gills, and the next one (5 minutes later) has plenty of room. Evening rush hours do get bad when there are delays, otherwise it's not that crowded.

PATH certainly isn't perfect, but it isn't anywhere near as horrifying as people suggest (with the exception of abysmal communication). What can I say, I simply don't think my life is ruined because a Saturday train ride takes 5 minutes longer than it used to.


you can't see it is more crowded than in previous years? are you kidding me?


I have never seen it more crowded than the past 2 years. Problems at rush hour where I wait for a second train or sometimes take a train to Hoboken and start again to get in to the city or home. I leave for my job super early so I'm between 30-60 minutes earlier (and depend on husband to take my kids to school) for work to avoid the issues I face on the PATH train not being reliable. I can't see whoever is defending the PATH as individuals who depend on this daily in jobs that are meager pay where you can't be late for work or you're fired. I've lived here over 15 years and it's the worst mode of transit I have had to depend on. And I'm starting to not afford it either. I'm shocked they don't increase PATH trains.

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I really really really hope the reason you say anything positive about the PATH is because you have 0 real world experience riding the PATH.

This wasn't directed at me, but I'll chime in anyway. I live in the Heights, so any trip into Manhattan below 23rd Street (which I do daily for work and usually once a weekend) involves an NJ Transit bus and PATH. The PATH is by far the best part of my commute - they arrive when they are scheduled to, and the occasional disruption due to equipment or signal problems aside, operate reliably and on-time 85% of the time.

By comparison, NJ Transit buses to-and-from PATH almost never keep to the printed schedule, arrive in groups of 2 or more after long waits, usually because they get bogged in JC or Hoboken's interminable, out-of-control traffic, resulting in a trip that is supposed to take 13 minutes taking 45 minutes or more.

The PATH is not without it's problems, but as someone who is dependent on the regions other, dysfunctional transit option, I am surprised by the animus expressed towards it.


like i said, increasing costs, decreased service, and horrible communication do not make for a good system.

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I am, I've taken the PATH for years. I take it nearly every day, including during rush hour.

I don't see a huge difference in crowding. There are many times during the morning rush hour when one 33rd Street train will be packed to the gills, and the next one (5 minutes later) has plenty of room. Evening rush hours do get bad when there are delays, otherwise it's not that crowded.

PATH certainly isn't perfect, but it isn't anywhere near as horrifying as people suggest (with the exception of abysmal communication). What can I say, I simply don't think my life is ruined because a Saturday train ride takes 5 minutes longer than it used to.


you can't see it is more crowded than in previous years? are you kidding me?

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Are you insane? Just because other forms of mass transit are bad doesn't make PATH nirvana.


I have riden PATH now for 12 years and it continually gets worse. In all this time PATH has NEVER increased service. Never. Every time a new schedule comes out, service is being reduced. The JSQ to 33 via HOB on the weekends was only temporary while the 9/11 memorial was being built. Well, it's been done for a couple of years and PATH will never go back. They are the worst!!!

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Yesterday, I was in Hoboken and waited 40 minutes for the 87 Bus (I would have walked, but was under-dressed for the cold). I'll say it again - if you mostly or exclusively take PATH count your blessings! It is the model of convenience, reliability, and comfort compared to NJ Transit bus service in this area.

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Yesterday, I was in Hoboken and waited 40 minutes for the 87 Bus (I would have walked, but was under-dressed for the cold). I'll say it again - if you mostly or exclusively take PATH count your blessings! It is the model of convenience, reliability, and comfort compared to NJ Transit bus service in this area.

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i''ll take path over nyc subway anytime, especially on weekends when subway lines are always undergoing some type of repair

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I'm also incredibly amused by those who complain about fellow passengers playing Candy Crush on their phones. Are you f*cking kidding me? If I had a time machine, I'd send you back 25 or 30 years to the era of the boom box (aka, the ghetto blaster). It wasn't unusual to have two or three competing boxes going in the same car - and the volume on each would be turned up in a futile attempt to drown out the other boxes.

Every era had it's angst, I'd like to know what those "boom box" bandits are doing now.


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Every era had it's angst, I'd like to know what those "boom box" bandits are doing now.

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The PATH is not without it's problems, but as someone who is dependent on the regions other, dysfunctional transit option, I am surprised by the animus expressed towards it.


I can only imagine that the people who complain the most about the PATH have never relied on NJ transit for an extended period of time. When I first moved to JC the PATH was a revelation. I would get stuck on massively delayed NJ Transit trains about once every other week and be more than an hour late either to or from work.

I've been here for 6 years now and I've been massively delayed maybe 3 times (outside of Sandy).

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I really really really hope the reason you say anything positive about the PATH is because you have 0 real world experience riding the PATH.

This wasn't directed at me, but I'll chime in anyway. I live in the Heights, so any trip into Manhattan below 23rd Street (which I do daily for work and usually once a weekend) involves an NJ Transit bus and PATH. The PATH is by far the best part of my commute - they arrive when they are scheduled to, and the occasional disruption due to equipment or signal problems aside, operate reliably and on-time 85% of the time.

By comparison, NJ Transit buses to-and-from PATH almost never keep to the printed schedule, arrive in groups of 2 or more after long waits, usually because they get bogged in JC or Hoboken's interminable, out-of-control traffic, resulting in a trip that is supposed to take 13 minutes taking 45 minutes or more.

The PATH is not without it's problems, but as someone who is dependent on the regions other, dysfunctional transit option, I am surprised by the animus expressed towards it.

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Not to mention the fact that walkmans were all the rage! I've been tuning fellow riders out with music for 25 years now! I'll take the candy crush addict over the 1980s begging crack heads wiggin out any day!

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I'm also incredibly amused by those who complain about fellow passengers playing Candy Crush on their phones. Are you f*cking kidding me? If I had a time machine, I'd send you back 25 or 30 years to the era of the boom box (aka, the ghetto blaster). It wasn't unusual to have two or three competing boxes going in the same car - and the volume on each would be turned up in a futile attempt to drown out the other boxes.

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Needless to say, in the 80s, a non-fatal stabbing on the PATH or subway wouldn't even have merited a mention on the news. This week, it was the lead story after the weather on newscasts.


Fascinating point. Personally, I am appalled (appalled!) that the newscasters failed to follow the weather segment with an up-to-the-minute report on the chicken situation at the local supermarkets.

OK, OK... In all seriousness, your point is super valid. The only reason the stabbing got such a prominent mention in local news is the fact that it is such an outlier incident. Overall, we live in an incredibly safe region and we don't seem to appreciate how good we have it here in the NYC area. Looking at the NYC crime stats, I actually find it mind boggling to see the drops across all categories, especially when looking at the 1990 vs. 2014 numbers.

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