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This is probably impossible to answer, but does anyone know what the marginal cost of running one more train is on any of the routes? Curious how much they are saving with the decreased service on Sunday mornings.

I actually have no clue if it's in the hundreds or thousands. I'm guessing it costs a good bit in electricity to haul a whole train set from Newark to World Trade.

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Hey does anybody know what the deal is on WTC-Newark line on the weekends? It's back to its old wonky delays on weekends. For a while it wasn't an issue, but now it seems to be back? It's really annoying, this morning I waited and waited, but finally decided to take a taxi ($40!) To Newark Penn to make my njtransit train. Ugh! Is there any predictability to this "signal maintenance"? Really not convenient to build in an extra 45 mins of buffer time to go about 7 miles.

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This would not be ideal if you want a commute under a couple hours.


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I have biked to NYC several times, there are two ways head up to Edgewater then oner the GW bridge or head,to Bayonne and bike over the VN bridge to Stanten Island or Brooklyn... This would not be ideal if you wear a suit to work.

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People DO have alternatives. If you don't want to be stuck in traffic, use a different method of transportation: bike, train, subway, motorcycle, bus, ferry, etc. I find amusing that some people in the NYC metro area complain about commuting options or alternatives.


Interesting. How am I supposed to bike from here in downtown JC to downtown Manhattan?

There are times I need to be at work at 6:45 AM and other times I don't leave until 11PM. How am I supposed to take the ferry when they don't run at those hours?

Perhaps I should buy and ride the most dangerous form of individual transportation, a motorcycle, simply because our tunnels, roads and bridges don't have the capacity to carry us properly from hither to thither?

I, as a subway rider, don't particularly want thousands upon thousands more people cramming into the already packed cars simply because our governor is a damn shortsighted moron who's sacrificing one of the most important things a government can actually do - improve the public infrastructure - on the altar of political principles of "small government.

Let's not pretend that simply because there are other choices/things that aren't an option to begin with that what we have here in the NYC metro area is adequate.


I heard that if you pedal fast enough, the laws of physics don't apply and you can just ride across the hudson. Didn't fulop do this?

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People DO have alternatives. If you don't want to be stuck in traffic, use a different method of transportation: bike, train, subway, motorcycle, bus, ferry, etc. I find amusing that some people in the NYC metro area complain about commuting options or alternatives.


Interesting. How am I supposed to bike from here in downtown JC to downtown Manhattan?

There are times I need to be at work at 6:45 AM and other times I don't leave until 11PM. How am I supposed to take the ferry when they don't run at those hours?

Perhaps I should buy and ride the most dangerous form of individual transportation, a motorcycle, simply because our tunnels, roads and bridges don't have the capacity to carry us properly from hither to thither?

I, as a subway rider, don't particularly want thousands upon thousands more people cramming into the already packed cars simply because our governor is a damn shortsighted moron who's sacrificing one of the most important things a government can actually do - improve the public infrastructure - on the altar of political principles of "small government.

Let's not pretend that simply because there are other choices/things that aren't an option to begin with that what we have here in the NYC metro area is adequate.

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People DO have alternatives. If you don't want to be stuck in traffic, use a different method of transportation: bike, train, subway, motorcycle, bus, ferry, etc. I find amusing that some people in the NYC metro area complain about commuting options or alternatives.


How exactly do you bike from JC to NYC?

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People DO have alternatives. If you don't want to be stuck in traffic, use a different method of transportation: bike, train, subway, motorcycle, bus, ferry, etc. I find amusing that some people in the NYC metro area complain about commuting options or alternatives.

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"...there is some logic to Christies' decision based on history that the finished product would have massively exceeded the $8B budget"
May have gone over budget, but from seeing the posts on this board and the experience of using the tunnels, it seems like that ARC tunnel is needed more than ever. Waits for the Holland were well over an hour last night and much over lower Manhattan was gridlocked. People are only going to take so much before tempers flare and things get out of hand. Commuters in this region really deserve better.

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The new station, expected to be completed in 2017, will create what Port Authority Executive Director Bill Baroni called "one of the newest stations in the nation."




Can't argue with that.


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The new station, expected to be completed in 2017, will create what Port Authority Executive Director Bill Baroni called "one of the newest stations in the nation."




Can't argue with that.

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I don't doubt that Harrison needs improvement, but I doubt the motives of PA. I doubt and question everything they do, because they have never given me reason otherwise.

Here's another example. JJ article says they will have shuttle service over the Bayonne bridge for pedestrians because they are closing the walking path...yet no shuttles or even communication during Sandy. So they do have a vehicle that can cross the NY/NJ border these days?

In fact I am for adding a station at EWR...but I know they will use it as a moneypit. Anything they can't offer 100k to someone in a union to do nothing, there is little interest. They are typical NJ old school payola at work, and we deserve better.

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Anthony J. Machcinski/The Jersey Journal

HARRISON - The transformation of the southern tip of Harrison from an industrial wasteland to a booming urban enterprise took a large step forward this morning as local and state officials celebrated the beginning of construction on the new, $256 million PATH station.

The station, which will be located on the east side of Frank E. Rodgers Boulevard across the street from the current station, will be the "centerpiece" for the town's new redevelopment, officials said today.

"I told Ray McDonough, 'You had my 80-year-old father as your lobbyist in the Christie family for this project,'" Gov. Chris Christie said today, referring to the Harrison mayor.

Christie said that his father, Bill, commuted into lower Manhattan for years using the PATH station in Harrison.

Port Authority officials said that the current station, built in 1936, "was too outmoded for the town's current and future ridership needs."

The new station, expected to be completed in 2017, will create what Port Authority Executive Director Bill Baroni called "one of the newest stations in the nation."

The facility will feature an extended platform to accommodate a longer, 10-car train, glass-enclosed station entrances and modern elevators, something not featured in the aging current station.

According to Port Authority spokesman Ron Marsico, the old station will remain open during the building of the new hub.

Christie said that the project will create 470 direct construction jobs totaling $42 million in projected payroll taxes and $344 million in regional economic activity.

The governor, who faces re-election in November, compared the project's importance to several other large scale projects in Hudson County, including renovations on the 80-year-old Pulaski Skyway and the raising of the Bayonne Bridge.

McDonough praised the new multi-million dollar station, calling it "the cornerstone" of Harrison's redevelopment.

"I can't put it into words for how happy I am," McDonough said. "The best thing about this is that you can see the rebuilding process (throughout town)."

"I'm just happy it's going to get done," he added. "Harrison is going to be booming in the next five to 10 years."

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I have no problem with expanding Harrison station. It is a busy station for suburban commuters, and they are as much a stakeholder as residents of the cities in which the train stops. I only occasionally use the Harrison station to go to games at Red Bull arena. When you try to get on the train after the game, the confines of the station really show themselves. Rush hour commuters face that issue, although not quite as concentrated, every day.

The NWK-WTC line needs to be expanded for more cars and expanding the station is part of that.

Certainly one can question whether design is over the top, or whether money is being spent efficiently. But that doesn't change the fact that Harrison needs an upgrade for the reasons Ian stated.

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JSQ-33 multiplexes with the most important PATH line - NWK-WTC. They cannot increase the frequency in peak hours without affecting that line. So reducing frequency on HOB-33 line is not a solution. Signal upgrades and longer platforms is. When the PA does something in NY, the Jersey guys demand their share to even it out. They are wasting billions in the new WTC station, so they have to waste some money on this side of the Hudson too. Taking over of AC airport is another example.



Again, Harrison is all about expanding the station to allow longer trains and improve capacity at the station experiencing the most growth. I wonder if you will be complaining about spending money on station enhancements when they start work on Grove Street?

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JSQ-33 multiplexes with the most important PATH line - NWK-WTC. They cannot increase the frequency in peak hours without affecting that line. So reducing frequency on HOB-33 line is not a solution. Signal upgrades and longer platforms is. When the PA does something in NY, the Jersey guys demand their share to even it out. They are wasting billions in the new WTC station, so they have to waste some money on this side of the Hudson too. Taking over of AC airport is another example.

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1. The new station at Harrison include lengthening the platforms to accommodate longer trains to the World Trade Center line.

2. The new design will provide better access for larger crowds.

3. Glass in recent years became a popular way of cladding structures because it was cheaper than brick.

4. Harrison is a rapidly growing station with some 10,000 housing units planned for the area around the station, as well as the Red Bulls soccer stadium; a new station is necessary to accommodate the number of people.

5. Transit stations are places people spend a huge amount of time. They should not be ugly, they should be well designed and well thought out. Think about spending 10 minutes a day, five days a week coming and going from a structure. Thats hours a year you spend in a place and you want it to be ugly? Come on. The aesthetics are a nominal cost added to necessary renovation.


I think most people would prefer to get the essentials in order before moving to the fluff. So increasing service on the pathetic JSQ/33rd Street line so it isn't mobbed literally any time of day. Having overnight service go more frequently than once every 35 minutes. And having more frequent weekend trains.

Once that's taken care of, then go ahead and make random stops not so ugly. But as another poster pointed out, increasing service doesn't provide an opportunity for the Port Authority to hand plum contracts to their fatcat friends.


33rd Street to JSQ will get better service when fewer NJTransit trains terminate in Hoboken, lessoning demand and freeing up track space. That was originally supposed to be 2017, but the plan to route trains through a new tunnel have been delayed.


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1. The new station at Harrison include lengthening the platforms to accommodate longer trains to the World Trade Center line.

2. The new design will provide better access for larger crowds.

3. Glass in recent years became a popular way of cladding structures because it was cheaper than brick.

4. Harrison is a rapidly growing station with some 10,000 housing units planned for the area around the station, as well as the Red Bulls soccer stadium; a new station is necessary to accommodate the number of people.

5. Transit stations are places people spend a huge amount of time. They should not be ugly, they should be well designed and well thought out. Think about spending 10 minutes a day, five days a week coming and going from a structure. Thats hours a year you spend in a place and you want it to be ugly? Come on. The aesthetics are a nominal cost added to necessary renovation.


I think most people would prefer to get the essentials in order before moving to the fluff. So increasing service on the pathetic JSQ/33rd Street line so it isn't mobbed literally any time of day. Having overnight service go more frequently than once every 35 minutes. And having more frequent weekend trains.

Once that's taken care of, then go ahead and make random stops not so ugly. But as another poster pointed out, increasing service doesn't provide an opportunity for the Port Authority to hand plum contracts to their fatcat friends.

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There's a holdup at exchange place right now. A passenger is having a medical emergency and our train is stopped. Just a heads up.

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1. The new station at Harrison include lengthening the platforms to accommodate longer trains to the World Trade Center line.

2. The new design will provide better access for larger crowds.

3. Glass in recent years became a popular way of cladding structures because it was cheaper than brick.

4. Harrison is a rapidly growing station with some 10,000 housing units planned for the area around the station, as well as the Red Bulls soccer stadium; a new station is necessary to accommodate the number of people.

5. Transit stations are places people spend a huge amount of time. They should not be ugly, they should be well designed and well thought out. Think about spending 10 minutes a day, five days a week coming and going from a structure. Thats hours a year you spend in a place and you want it to be ugly? Come on. The aesthetics are a nominal cost added to necessary renovation.

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It really is upsetting that resources will be pumped into this new station while the system itself needs massive upgrades in the very short term. I haven't spent much time at the Harrison station, but is this new station really needed?

The future of growth in Path ridership is in JSQ/Grove/Exchange/Newport/Hoboken. I gather that most riders who get on in Harrison are suburban commuters who drive to Harrison to board. I think Port Authority needs to reevaluate its priorities, big time.


You are errantly assuming they have priorities beyond their self enrichment.

Things like new stations offer the opportunity for riduculously inflated contracts for political cohorts.

Expanding service doesn't.

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It really is upsetting that resources will be pumped into this new station while the system itself needs massive upgrades in the very short term. I haven't spent much time at the Harrison station, but is this new station really needed?

The future of growth in Path ridership is in JSQ/Grove/Exchange/Newport/Hoboken. I gather that most riders who get on in Harrison are suburban commuters who drive to Harrison to board. I think Port Authority needs to reevaluate its priorities, big time.

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I already do that. I don't put up with the passive aggressives and the oblivious morons that just don't know any better; who crowd the doors and refuse to move all the way into the train. I'm getting on the train one way or another, and if you take one step inside the train and then stop like nobody's behind you, I'll be the one behind you giving you some assistance.

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Is this the goal of PATH ?


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I think the unfinished WTC station is now 2-3x over budget at an estimated $2B. I wonder what the Harrison station will end up costing?

Though I wanted to see the ARC tunnel built and was disappointed to see it cancelled, there is some logic to Christies' decision based on history that the finished product would have massively exceeded the $8B budget. Seems likely given that one station is $2B and counting!

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I hope they don't forget the elevator this time.

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Cool. I'm glad they're willing to piss away all that money building that ugly pos instead of putting it to practical use. Bunch of morons.

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At WTC Around 12:30pm they said it was signal failure on the Hoboken line but after taking the Hoboken train out of service and shoving us all on the Newark train they then opened the doors on the Hoboken train and gave us 2 seconds to run across the platform for it before pulling out of the station. Most people stayed on the Newark train not knowing what to do. Good luck indeed.

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Don't worry guys. The unaccountable Port Authority just wasted $60 million and no one knows how or why. Our taxdollars and fare money is being put to good use.

But don't expect anyone to actually get fired over this. After all, $60 million of taxpayer money is like monopoly money, right??

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013 ... s_insurance_premiums.html


Can't wait to see the PATH defenders spin this one. $60 million goes nowhere but god forbid they have a bus service after Sandy.

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