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There is some interesting articles on expanding the HBLR into Staten Island, with the idea of connecting the island to PATH to quicken the commute.

Proposal to create West Shore Light Rail on Staten Island needs big-time supporters
http://www.silive.com/westshore/index ... proposal_needs_big-t.html

Staten Island Economic Development Corporation 'not giving up' on West Shore Light Rail
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/ ... giving_up_on_west_sh.html

Staten Island Week 2013: Mayoral Campaign Could Get Long-Delayed Light Rail Lines Back On Track
http://www.ny1.com/content/top_storie ... -rail-lines-back-on-track

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http://www.siedc.org/Capital-Projects/west-shore-light-rail


Pump all of Staten Island into the PATH system. Good idea.....

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Does anyone have any idea why they decided to put up all those yellow chains on the WTC platform above the tracks? They're unnecessarily (from what I can tell) forcing the huge crowds into a very narrow corral, especially during the morning commute, and it doesn't appear that there's any logical reason for it.

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There is some interesting articles on expanding the HBLR into Staten Island, with the idea of connecting the island to PATH to quicken the commute.

Proposal to create West Shore Light Rail on Staten Island needs big-time supporters
http://www.silive.com/westshore/index ... proposal_needs_big-t.html

Staten Island Economic Development Corporation 'not giving up' on West Shore Light Rail
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/ ... giving_up_on_west_sh.html

Staten Island Week 2013: Mayoral Campaign Could Get Long-Delayed Light Rail Lines Back On Track
http://www.ny1.com/content/top_storie ... -rail-lines-back-on-track

Proposed Map
http://www.siedc.org/Capital-Projects/west-shore-light-rail

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Only slightly dehumanizing. PATH is almost there.


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Don't forget both govenors have a lot to do with what comes and goes in the PATH they have the final say and sign off on everything that occurs in the PA. Remember that extra tunnel that was to be built it was nixed by Governor Christie.

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The problem isn't with the patrons of the PATH, its the quality of service - We desperately need more trains and any other form of public transport into and out of Manhattan - Our population and demographics have increased and changed so we need a wider or another tunnel into NY that caters for bikes, pederstrians and more trains to cope with the need - We have a clear unbalance of demand and supply.


We do, but between a corrupt and unaccountable Port Authority, and various bootlickers who post on this forum repeatedly defending the PATH and telling us how lucky we are, don't expect change anytime soon.

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The problem isn't with the patrons of the PATH, its the quality of service - We desperately need more trains and any other form of public transport into and out of Manhattan - Our population and demographics have increased and changed so we need a wider or another tunnel into NY that caters for bikes, pederstrians and more trains to cope with the need - We have a clear unbalance of demand and supply.

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I do this constantly on my way home, going up to 33rd, then back. I loathe it, but I'd rather spend an extra 15-30 minutes on a train as long as I'm sitting, rather than standing another 20+ after working 8 hours on my feet. It's a damn shame, but until they actually lengthen the stations and add more cars to trains, there ain't shiat else to do (or just add service on supposed off-peak hours)

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Sadly, I have had to resort to this, as well. Sometimes I do it in the early evenings, but hardly ever in the mornings (I get to ride a little bit past the rush hour trains.) I am sure more and more people will start resorting to this sort of tactic to be able to score a seat, or some prime spot inside the train cars.

More often than not, I simply avoid the 33rd/JSQ line and ride the PATH to Hoboken and ride my bike back from there. It is much faster to do this than to wait for a train with enough room so I can squeeze in, plus I get to avoid the usual stink eye reaction from other commuters I have annoyed by bringing my bike on board during the times permitted to do so.

I have always been a fan of the PATH, but over the past two years we have seen a decrease in service, two fare increases (albeit, only 25 cents each) and the overcrowding has gotten worse. I am starting to sour on the PATH commute.

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Hope it does not reach a point where the peak time commuters have to start boarding trains going in the reverse direction to JSQ to get into the city.


LOL - I do this if I'm near 9th, 14th, or 23rd and on my way home to JSQ. I figure the 67% chance that the train will turn around and head to JSQ is worth the 33% risk that I'll end up on the wrong train when we get to 33rd, to turn around.

And to whoever wrote about the trains accelerating, I've definitely noticed the occasional WTC PATH train hit the gas on the hard left turn on the way into the station. It doesn't happen often, thankfully, but so help me I'm amazed that you don't hear of people breaking their wrist, holding onto the pole while the train is whipping around!

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Hope it does not reach a point where the peak time commuters have to start boarding trains going in the reverse direction to JSQ to get into the city.

Hey that's cheating !

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We really need to take note on the Indian railway system - We have a long way to go before our trains ever get full and should consider ourselves lucky with the space available to us in trains during peak periods!

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Taking a look at this picture shows that they have come a really long way to get to civilization.

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Yes I have noticed that and I have noticed the same annoying behavior on NYC subways too.

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I'll resort to pushing the idiots that don't move all the way into the train before that happens. Have you ever noticed how everyone crowds the doors, and there's always a two or three body amount of space in the corners at all times?


Coincidence, no? The annoying NYC'ers are moving here in droves and bringing their attitudes and bad manner with them. Been a chronic problem in DTJC for about 5-7 years now, unfortunately.l

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ha ha! I've seen this commercial before - is it for real, or is it just a setup for a commercial?

BTW, our system also doesn't compare to the crowdedness on the HK subway - they always have workers on the platforms to help "push" you into the trains to make sure they are "properly and fully" packed!!!


I think you have Hong Kong confused with Tokyo (unless the HK population has tripled since I commuted daily by subway there. not impossible.)

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That is a pretty well known picture. It's Pakistan not India. And I believe the HK system is the only profitable one in the world.

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ha ha! I've seen this commercial before - is it for real, or is it just a setup for a commercial?

BTW, our system also doesn't compare to the crowdedness on the HK subway - they always have workers on the platforms to help "push" you into the trains to make sure they are "properly and fully" packed!!!

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We really need to take note on the Indian railway system - We have a long way to go before our trains ever get full and should consider ourselves lucky with the space available to us in trains during peak periods!

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Yes I have noticed that and I have noticed the same annoying behavior on NYC subways too.

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Hope it does not reach a point where the peak time commuters have to start boarding trains going in the reverse direction to JSQ to get into the city.


I'll resort to pushing the idiots that don't move all the way into the train before that happens. Have you ever noticed how everyone crowds the doors, and there's always a two or three body amount of space in the corners at all times?

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Hope it does not reach a point where the peak time commuters have to start boarding trains going in the reverse direction to JSQ to get into the city.

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You'd need a VIP tunnel first. On a serious note i think the ferry serves as a VIP option given the fare difference.

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I've heard lots of complaints about over crowding in the PATH due to new construction and delays and I think I have come up with a good solution: VIP path trains. Fees collected would go to putting additional trains into service. A rigorous application process would also be helpful.

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So the tunnel that supports the 33rd st route was completed in 1907 making the route more than 100 years old. Those rings you see bolted together in some of the stations are the original tunnel liners made of cast iron. While I am sure the track has been updated to some degree, its still built on a gravel bed with alot of very tight turns and switches for trains going to HOB, Newport, Exchange place, and crossing over each other. All of which makes for a very bumpy ride with tight turns since I am sure the system was originally built for much slower trains.

Now that the system is running at maximum capacity during rush hour, PATH is probably running the trains as fast as they can safely operate them to move as much traffic as possible. They are working on a project to upgrade the signalling system so that they can add roughly 15% more capacity, but once that is done, the system is maxed out. And I assume by the time the new capacity is added, the increase in ridership will have already absorbed whatever gains are made.

Bottom line is that the only forseeable possibility to increase transport capacity to Manhattan will be ferries. I dont see any sign that PATH has a master plan beyond the signal upgrade.

Anyway back to the roller coaster. When you ride the WTC route between Exchange Place and WTC it is fast, smooth and quiet. These tracks are welded and on concrete which i guess was done after the terrorist attack and subsequent shutdown. I cant see PATH taking the 33rd st tunnel out of service for the amount of time it would take to update the tracks, so the only hope is a new tunnel. And thats probably not in my lifetime...

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I almost never ride the trains at rush hour. Thursday night I did after the power outage delay. I got on the JSQ train at 33rd and waited as the cars steadily filled to crushing as departures were delayed 10-15 minutes. After a few minutes with the car packed I left to take the Hoboken train which had plenty of room and even open seats. I figured I'd rather walk the extra 20 minutes then deal with the inhuman crowding. We departed first and I actually felt bad for the people left on each platform as we passed through the stations. There wasn't a chance in hell they were going to fit on the JSQ train. The PATH system is doomed as an easy commute for 9 to 5ers.


I got to Christopher Street around 6:30 when they announced the outage. No way in hell I was going to gamble with the JSQ line and hopped on a Hoboken train. I wound up walking home but why can't NJT and the PATH work together when sh*t goes down? I could have taken the 126 bus or the lightrail but had no extra cash on me (and I'm not going to spend over $2 for a 5 minute ride to the Newport stop.

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I almost never ride the trains at rush hour. Thursday night I did after the power outage delay. I got on the JSQ train at 33rd and waited as the cars steadily filled to crushing as departures were delayed 10-15 minutes. After a few minutes with the car packed I left to take the Hoboken train which had plenty of room and even open seats. I figured I'd rather walk the extra 20 minutes then deal with the inhuman crowding. We departed first and I actually felt bad for the people left on each platform as we passed through the stations. There wasn't a chance in hell they were going to fit on the JSQ train. The PATH system is doomed as an easy commute for 9 to 5ers.

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Is it me, or does the PATH go way too fast on turns during rush hour? They even seem to accelerate on turns for some reason. It feels like you're on a roller coaster and it's gotta be very fuel inefficient.


I think it's just you. Whenever I take the PATH into the city during morning rush hours, it crawls so slow that walking may be faster.


What line are you using and what time is this? I take the Grove to 33rd 820-845 AM every day and have seen people lose their grip when the train zips around the turns too fast.


There have been several occasions in which I've nearly lost my grip. The sudden stops are "fun" too.

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Is it me, or does the PATH go way too fast on turns during rush hour? They even seem to accelerate on turns for some reason. It feels like you're on a roller coaster and it's gotta be very fuel inefficient.


I think it's just you. Whenever I take the PATH into the city during morning rush hours, it crawls so slow that walking may be faster.


What line are you using and what time is this? I take the Grove to 33rd 820-845 AM every day and have seen people lose their grip when the train zips around the turns too fast.

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Is it me, or does the PATH go way too fast on turns during rush hour? They even seem to accelerate on turns for some reason. It feels like you're on a roller coaster and it's gotta be very fuel inefficient.


I think it's just you. Whenever I take the PATH into the city during morning rush hours, it crawls so slow that walking may be faster.

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Is it me, or does the PATH go way too fast on turns during rush hour? They even seem to accelerate on turns for some reason. It feels like you're on a roller coaster and it's gotta be very fuel inefficient.

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