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If you are at JSQ going up to 33rd St. you get off at Grove walk across the platform and transfer to get on the 33rd St.bound train arriving on track 2. If you are in Nyc, Hoboken or Pavonia/Newport going to JSQ then you again get off at Grove St. walk across the platform and transfer to get on the JSQ bound train arriving on track 1. At no time do you get on the Newark/WTC train.


Heights, re-read it. there IS NO JSQ-BOUND TRAIN.

JSQ passengers must - at some point - get on the Newark/WTC train.

it's really not all that difficult.


I was refering to the Grove St. station 'cause I was just there. Plus there are no WTC trains out 33rd today. The 33rd and JSQ bound trains could depart from either track at Grove St. as well. Usually at Grove track 1 is for Nyc bound trains and track 2 is for Jersey bound trains. Seek out one of the passenger information agents in red and watch for the destination names on the trains. But yes at the Square PATH the only Nyc bound train is the WTC line. You must transfer to get to either Hoboken or the up town to 33rd St.

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If you are at JSQ going up to 33rd St. you get off at Grove walk across the platform and transfer to get on the 33rd St.bound train arriving on track 2. If you are in Nyc, Hoboken or Pavonia/Newport going to JSQ then you again get off at Grove St. walk across the platform and transfer to get on the JSQ bound train arriving on track 1. At no time do you get on the Newark/WTC train.


Heights, re-read it. there IS NO JSQ-BOUND TRAIN.

JSQ passengers must - at some point - get on the Newark/WTC train.

it's really not all that difficult.

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Thanks Annod. That is much clearer than the PATHTWEET and the pathalert I got via email. Below is the email PATH alert, which is obviously incorrect..it directs 33rd St bound people to get on the WTC train.

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Beginning 11PM Friday 7/15 to 11PM Saturday 7/16, the JSQ-33{Via Hoboken} line terminates at Grove Street due to track work. Transfer to Newark-WTC at Grove Street to complete trip.

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In plain English, the JSQ-33rd train is now the Grove-33rd train.

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Weekend Construction

Beginning the evening of Friday, July 15, 2011 PATH will conduct track switch replacement work between Grove Street and Journal Square. As a result, there will be changes to service on the Journal Square to 33rd Street (via Hoboken) line in both directions between 11 p.m. Friday, July 15 and 11 p.m. Saturday, July 16.

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Journal Square – 33rd Street via Hoboken (JSQ-HOB-33)
From 11 p.m. Friday, 7/14 until 11 p.m. Saturday, 7/15, JSQ-33 (via Hoboken) service will terminate at Grove St., due to a track rehabilitation project.

Passengers traveling from 33, 23, 14, 9, Christopher, Hoboken, or Newport to Journal Square, Harrison, or Newark must change at Grove Street for Newark-bound train.

Passengers traveling from Newark, Harrison, or Journal Square to Newport, Hoboken, Christopher, 9, 14, 23, or 33 must change at Grove Street for 33 St-bound train.

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http://www.panynj.gov/path/alerts-advisories.html

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Um, yeah, Read the posting from the Port Authority again. It tells people going from JSQ->33rd to transfer at Grove St to the WTC train. So I don't know how people riding the train to WTC will get to 33rd unless they do one of those bizarre loops I've seen before. This will obviously affect the WTC line as well.

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>Beginning 11pm Fri 7/15 to 11pm Sat 7/16, the JSQ-33(via >Hob) line terminates at Grove St due to track work. Transfer >to NWK-WTC at Grove St to complete trip.

What the heck does this mean?? It makes no sense. Why can't the PATH clarify these postings? How is the WTC line going to get people to 33rd st, and how is this going to affect the schedule of the NWK-WTC line?

Based on past experience, it looks like the NWK-> WTC line will go Nwk->WTC-> Pavonia -> Hob -> then along the 33rd St line? I've seem this before, and it means massive delays.


uh... it makes perfect sense? If you're on the 33rd train going to jersey and want to get to journal sq, you get off at grove and wait for the newark train.

unless i'm COMPLETELY misreading something, that's it.

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If you are at JSQ going up to 33rd St. you get off at Grove walk across the platform and transfer to get on the 33rd St.bound train arriving on track 2. If you are in Nyc, Hoboken or Pavonia/Newport going to JSQ then you again get off at Grove St. walk across the platform and transfer to get on the JSQ bound train arriving on track 1. At no time do you get on the Newark/WTC train.

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>FYI, PATH alert:

>Beginning 11pm Fri 7/15 to 11pm Sat 7/16, the JSQ-33(via >Hob) line terminates at Grove St due to track work. Transfer >to NWK-WTC at Grove St to complete trip.

What the heck does this mean?? It makes no sense. Why can't the PATH clarify these postings? How is the WTC line going to get people to 33rd st, and how is this going to affect the schedule of the NWK-WTC line?

Based on past experience, it looks like the NWK-> WTC line will go Nwk->WTC-> Pavonia -> Hob -> then along the 33rd St line? I've seem this before, and it means massive delays.


uh... it makes perfect sense? If you're on the 33rd train going to jersey and want to get to journal sq, you get off at grove and wait for the newark train.

unless i'm COMPLETELY misreading something, that's it.

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>FYI, PATH alert:

>Beginning 11pm Fri 7/15 to 11pm Sat 7/16, the JSQ-33(via >Hob) line terminates at Grove St due to track work. Transfer >to NWK-WTC at Grove St to complete trip.

What the heck does this mean?? It makes no sense. Why can't the PATH clarify these postings? How is the WTC line going to get people to 33rd st, and how is this going to affect the schedule of the NWK-WTC line?

Based on past experience, it looks like the NWK-> WTC line will go Nwk->WTC-> Pavonia -> Hob -> then along the 33rd St line? I've seem this before, and it means massive delays.

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Does anybody know when they will be updating the signal system on PATH? Sometimes that train goes so slow under the Hudson River.

Also...has anybody noticed that the new PATH trains tend to keep the AC rather low? It's never really that cool on those trains, especially when crowded.

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FYI, PATH alert:

Beginning 11pm Fri 7/15 to 11pm Sat 7/16, the JSQ-33(via Hob) line terminates at Grove St due to track work. Transfer to NWK-WTC at Grove St to complete trip.

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Yeah I had the same experience as bodhipooh yesterday.
Got to Grove station around 9:45am and waiting until 10:20ish for a train. When I first got in I figured I could handle a 10 minute delay so I stuck around, but then they kept increasing the delay. If I knew it was going to be 35 mins or so, I would of never went to the PATH station in the first place and worked from home. Luckily it seemed like most commuters were still on vacation so the cars weren't overcrowded. If this would of been a regular work week, it would of been a bad scene.

Speak of the devil, just got a PATH Alert at 10:51am..."Due to a signal problem, train service on the Newark to World Trade Center line is operating with a 15 minute delay" :)

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It seems the best way to complain to PATH is on Twitter.

http://twitter.com/#!/PATHTweet

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At least these problems don't occur at rush hour, you gotta give em (PATH) that.

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With regards to the PATH outage this morning, I have to say that it was a frustrating experience. I waited in Grove Street for a WTC train for about 35 minutes. After two trains failed to show up, an announcement was made that trains were "subject" to a 10-minute delay. By the time the announcement was made, trains were already delayed at least 15 minutes. After another 10 minutes, they started to announce that trains were subject to a 20-minute delay.

In the end, the most frustrating thing to me was that the announcements failed to provide meaningful / accurate information. Trains were not "subject to an x-minute delay", the trains WERE ALREADY delayed by x-minutes. And, x kept increasing. I think that the PA could do a better job estimating actual delays, and conveying more accurate information.

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Pretty much every time there's a PATH alert sent out to the tune of "due to a dock bridge failure, service on the WTC to Newark is suspended", another alert goes out saying that the problem has been resolved within 20-30 minutes.

The only extended (i.e., more than an hour) service outages I've experienced in 7 years of riding the PATH have been due to very heavy rain. If you hear that NJTransit is cross-honoring PATH, only then is the problem likely to be serious enough to make staying put in the PATH station not the best option.


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Today I hopped a 9:30 am train to Newark which normally gets me there by 9:50. The train stopped a 1/4 of the way there, after 15 minutes of waiting I realized something was wrong. An hour later they took us back to journal square and said they'd have buses set up to take us to Newark, after waiting another ten minutes and no buses, I called path only to be tol that the trains were operating again! This is one of the worst cases of utter incompetence I've ever experienced! It's no surprise that it was path. All the platform employees looked smug and acted like this was no big deal, I missed both of my buses in Newark which would get me to work on time, now I'll lose an hour of work time!! I'm sending the bill to path!

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Today I hopped a 9:30 am train to Newark which normally gets me there by 9:50. The train stopped a 1/4 of the way there, after 15 minutes of waiting I realized something was wrong. An hour later they took us back to journal square and said they'd have buses set up to take us to Newark, after waiting another ten minutes and no buses, I called path only to be tol that the trains were operating again! This is one of the worst cases of utter incompetence I've ever experienced! It's no surprise that it was path. All the platform employees looked smug and acted like this was no big deal, I missed both of my buses in Newark which would get me to work on time, now I'll lose an hour of work time!! I'm sending the bill to path!

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The real moral of the story is "Be a little earlier." If you had been on the track just a minute or so earlier, you might have actually made the train, but when you try to cut it that close, sometimes you are going to get burned.
I live in a condo with a shuttle to the Grove St. Station that leaves every 20 minutes on time. There are a few A**holes who run to the shuttle just as it's scheduled to leave, delay the shuttle and then bitch at the driver. The driver is just doing his job, trying to keep to a schedule. If people just got to their embarkation point just a bit earlier, so many problems would go away.

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I didn't - 8 minutes is more than enough time to chug an iced coffee


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Alternative moral to the story: Don't bring coffee onto the PATH train.

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Alternative moral to the story: Don't bring coffee onto the PATH train.

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Frustrating thing happened to me this afternoon:

Needed to take the PATH from Grove to Newark. Got to Grove st. at 2:26, saw on the schedule that the next Newark train leaves at 2:38. Decide to go to Starbucks instead of waiting in the station. Head down into the station at 2:35, I'm on the platform at 2:36 (cell phone time and PATH monitor time agreed), just to see that 2:38 NWK train already leaving.

Wait until the next train (2:53), which actually comes at 2:53. The clocks inside the train (even on the in-train PATH monitors) are 2 minutes faster than the clocks in the station.

Moral of the story -- minute-to-minute PATH schedules are not to be trusted, and to be safe, be on the platform 5 minutes before your train is supposed to arrive. This also means that unless the PATH is running at a 20-minute or longer interval, you almost may as well roll the dice instead of trying to plan your trips.


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Frustrating thing happened to me this afternoon:

Needed to take the PATH from Grove to Newark. Got to Grove st. at 2:26, saw on the schedule that the next Newark train leaves at 2:38. Decide to go to Starbucks instead of waiting in the station. Head down into the station at 2:35, I'm on the platform at 2:36 (cell phone time and PATH monitor time agreed), just to see that 2:38 NWK train already leaving.

Wait until the next train (2:53), which actually comes at 2:53. The clocks inside the train (even on the in-train PATH monitors) are 2 minutes faster than the clocks in the station.

Moral of the story -- minute-to-minute PATH schedules are not to be trusted, and to be safe, be on the platform 5 minutes before your train is supposed to arrive. This also means that unless the PATH is running at a 20-minute or longer interval, you almost may as well roll the dice instead of trying to plan your trips.

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Interesting Report on this. Check Out and Share the following link:
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We are working on a tool to make the whole PATH experience a tad bit more bearable (in a way that we can....not being part of the Port Authority and all. Sorry..can't provide more cars or trips....YET!)


We've been talking to many of you who take the PATH and put up with these crazy conditions daily.


Two of the things we've seen requested time and time again during our interviews with commuters have been:

1) A simple way to contact and submit feedback to the PATH

2) Improved communications and alternative suggestions when service is interrupted


Indeed we have heard and learned a whole lot more, but we are still listening and trying to understand what can be done to help commuters feel a little better about their trip (even if it's just through better communication or trip-planning control).


If you want to play a meaningful part in affecting and improving your own PATH experience, we encourage all PATH users to take our Customer Survey. Understanding your gripes or your praises for the PATH: 1)helps us accurately understand your biggest PATH problems and sentiment, and 2)leads to the creation of an ideal solution. A solution that will be right for you.


So, don't just let your frustration die here. Join us at the PATHapp Project as we build the best PATH app together.
Hope to hear from you all soon.

-The PATHapp Project Team






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Note that one guy is lounged out with his bag on the seat and the other is jutting his ass out onto the same seat and BOTH are pretending to sleep. I did not want the seat as I like to stand on the trains but their behavior, especially for 2 young guys, is obnoxious. For the 6-8 minutes I was standing there I pretended to futz with my ringtone just to make sure they were awake. I also gave the one guy a good whack with my backpack as I exited as he was also hanging his arm over the railing into where people need to stand.


Other street (or under-street) justice techniques I enjoy employing:

--Deliberately sitting next to Mr. Spready Legs and then spreading my own knees veeeery slowly, but with relentless force, so he's eventually forced to close his. He usually does this suddenly with a grunt that I find deeply amusing.

--Deliberately standing in front of the seat with someone's bag on it, turning around, lowering my butt slowly toward the bag, and watching the owner remove it hurriedly.

--"Accidentally" kicking or bumping people sitting on station stairways when crowds are trying to use them.

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Note that one guy is lounged out with his bag on the seat and the other is jutting his ass out onto the same seat and BOTH are pretending to sleep. I did not want the seat as I like to stand on the trains but their behavior, especially for 2 young guys, is obnoxious. For the 6-8 minutes I was standing there I pretended to futz with my ringtone just to make sure they were awake. I also gave the one guy a good whack with my backpack as I exited as he was also hanging his arm over the railing into where people need to stand.

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You have been notified you should keep an eye out for the date on the PMS guides. These are the blue {PATH map and schedule} pamplets scattered around the stations prior to when you go through the turnstiles. Also be mindful of the map legend so you no what time of day the schedule is applied to.

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Does nobody remember the regular 4 routes week day service 7am to 7pm on Weekends? Hahahahaha, PATH: Jerkoffs.

Apparently they changed the time schedule in October, but no they didn't tell anyone. I kept missing late night trains by a few minutes or the trains always seemed to be leaving late -- since the WTC line was always very easy to remember half hour service on the half hour. Finally in January after the 3:30 train pulled away at 3:25 in front of my eyes I called customer service and they explained the schedule had been changed.

So yeah, Port Authority doesn't really have any accountability to PATH riders since New York doesn't care about PATH and Governor Sandwiches is more concerned with his political theater and gearing up for a presidential run than with actual public policy.

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When did night time service go from a 30 minute schedule to 35? I just noticed this the other day. Was there an announcement? Is this temporary? When are our public services going to stop degrading?


When did it go from 20 to 30 minutes?? It used to be no longer than a 20 minute wait.

35 minutes is way too long, seriously. There are a ton of people on those late night trains.

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