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Wishful_Thinking wrote:
I don't know where this fits in to the narrative (apropos of the recent, unprovoked beat down), and perhaps it may not sit well with folks concerned about the lack of service improvements, but there is an interesting essay in NY Magazine about the "glorious boondoggle" of the new WTC transportation hub http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/ ... rade-center-path-hub.html

Will having a space that uplifts one's soul make up for all the hassles (and hazards) of taking PATH? I for one am willing to let myself revel in it.

That article is titled "The Folly" of this WTC station.

It quotes an architect who says "I will make wings for you, and this subway station will cost $4 billion? ? Meanwhile, the kids don?t have erasers on their pencils.?

No, this exorbitant monstrosity does not make up for the ever worsening overcrowding on trains, will not help us once the 25,000+ apartments are completed and more flood onto the PATH, nor does it alleviate the senseless detour into Hoboken (where no one ever gets off) every single night and all weekend.

Wishful_Thinking wrote:
I don't know where this fits in to the narrative (apropos of the recent, unprovoked beat down), and perhaps it may not sit well with folks concerned about the lack of service improvements, but there is an interesting essay in NY Magazine about the "glorious boondoggle" of the new WTC transportation hub http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/ ... rade-center-path-hub.html

Will having a space that uplifts one's soul make up for all the hassles (and hazards) of taking PATH? I for one am willing to let myself revel in it.

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I hope the perps were caught on tape. Their pictures should posted on the video monitors to shame them and warn others.

... a briefcase up your butt ...

MDM wrote:
Just to give everyone a heads-up, so you can keep an eye out for this particular modus operandi, my sister-in-law witnessed a mugging - beat down on the PATH early this morning (on or about 6:30 AM) on a train coming from 33rd st. to JSQ.

A group (the perps who were a mix of male and female) kept walking back and forth through multiple PATH cars, never sitting down. One of the female perps broke off from the pack and sat down next a woman in the car my SIL was riding in. This car had no men.. the women appeared to be all riding individually. The woman who had a perp sit next to her was young and well dressed. The female perp began talking to the young woman. My SIL couldn't make out what was said, but it didn't sound pleasant.

The perp female then got up and left... then returned with a male perp. The male perp then slapped the young woman and accused her of "touching her sister". The young woman protested her innocence at which point the male perp began beating her face in with a closed fist. The woman tried to escape, but the remaining five perps came into the car and blocked her escaped. She continued to get a beat down while being relieved of her belongings.

An older woman in the car hit the emergency call button and tried to inform the train crew what was going on. The doors opened up at JSQ and all 7 perps fled while the train was being swarmed by multiple Port Authority cops. Only one of the perps was captured.

The woman victim required medical attention. Per my SIL (who is a nurse) she got a pretty bad beating. It appears the woman was targeted because it looked like she maybe out of the women in the car, she was the most likely to have nice things. The car it appears was targeted because there was nobody there physically capable of resisting the attack.

The perps were black and appeared to be in age of their late teens.

Edit: Per NJ.Com, 6 got caught. The story got the gender of the victim wrong though.

MDM wrote:
Just to give everyone a heads-up, so you can keep an eye out for this particular modus operandi, my sister-in-law witnessed a mugging - beat down on the PATH early this morning (on or about 6:30 AM) on a train coming from 33rd st. to JSQ.

A group (the perps who were a mix of male and female) kept walking back and forth through multiple PATH cars, never sitting down. One of the female perps broke off from the pack and sat down next a woman in the car my SIL was riding in. This car had no men.. the women appeared to be all riding individually. The woman who had a perp sit next to her was young and well dressed. The female perp began talking to the young woman. My SIL couldn't make out what was said, but it didn't sound pleasant.

The perp female then got up and left... then returned with a male perp. The male perp then slapped the young woman and accused her of "touching her sister". The young woman protested her innocence at which point the male perp began beating her face in with a closed fist. The woman tried to escape, but the remaining five perps came into the car and blocked her escaped. She continued to get a beat down while being relieved of her belongings.

An older woman in the car hit the emergency call button and tried to inform the train crew what was going on. The doors opened up at JSQ and all 7 perps fled while the train was being swarmed by multiple Port Authority cops. Only one of the perps was captured.

The woman victim required medical attention. Per my SIL (who is a nurse) she got a pretty bad beating. It appears the woman was targeted because it looked like she maybe out of the women in the car, she was the most likely to have nice things. The car it appears was targeted because there was nobody there physically capable of resisting the attack.

The perps were black and appeared to be in age of their late teens.

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bodhipooh wrote:
100% true. The people at Newport have it the worst. Many trains leave Grove already full. It is not at all uncommon (in my experience) to be in a train that arrives at Newport and no one there is able to get on. At this point, I am surprised more people aren't riding trains back to JSQ to ensure they get a seat without having to deal with the hassle of pushing their way into a crowded car.

I know people who ride from Newport to Hoboken instead at rush hour, and from there, take the HOB-33 train. That train is nowhere near as crowded, and the odds of getting a seat are pretty good even at rush hour. What's ridiculous is the Port Authority treats Hob-33 and JSQ-33 equally. Based on weekday ridership, they should be scaling back the frequency of Hoboken trains and increasing JSQ.

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bodhipooh wrote:
100% true. The people at Newport have it the worst. Many trains leave Grove already full. It is not at all uncommon (in my experience) to be in a train that arrives at Newport and no one there is able to get on. At this point, I am surprised more people aren't riding trains back to JSQ to ensure they get a seat without having to deal with the hassle of pushing their way into a crowded car.

I know people who ride from Newport to Hoboken instead at rush hour, and from there, take the HOB-33 train. That train is nowhere near as crowded, and the odds of getting a seat are pretty good even at rush hour. What's ridiculous is the Port Authority treats Hob-33 and JSQ-33 equally. Based on weekday ridership, they should be scaling back the frequency of Hoboken trains and increasing JSQ.

bill wrote:
What I meant was Hoboken is >80% white, JC not so much (33%) Newark even less (26%).

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JadedJC wrote:
What's ridiculous is the Port Authority treats Hob-33 and JSQ-33 equally. Based on weekday ridership, they should be scaling back the frequency of Hoboken trains and increasing JSQ.

Another example of white privilege.

JadedJC wrote:
What's ridiculous is the Port Authority treats Hob-33 and JSQ-33 equally. Based on weekday ridership, they should be scaling back the frequency of Hoboken trains and increasing JSQ.

bodhipooh wrote:
100% true. The people at Newport have it the worst. Many trains leave Grove already full. It is not at all uncommon (in my experience) to be in a train that arrives at Newport and no one there is able to get on. At this point, I am surprised more people aren't riding trains back to JSQ to ensure they get a seat without having to deal with the hassle of pushing their way into a crowded car.

jc2007 wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to the NY Waterway Ferry service from Newport?

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They will ruin the Newport stop even more. If you have to wait for a train or two to pass at Grove due to overcrowding, forget ever having enough room at Newport.

The only way to get on for folks at Newport will have to be take the train in the opposite direction to JSQ, then get on the empty train going back. I did it every morning during Sandy and sure beats missing 3-4 trains in a row.

jc2007 wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to the NY Waterway Ferry service from Newport?

They will ruin the Newport stop even more. If you have to wait for a train or two to pass at Grove due to overcrowding, forget ever having enough room at Newport.

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Seagull wrote:
If Staten Island can get a free ferry, why can't Jersey City?

Nothing is free. So who will pay for it?

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Vigilante wrote:
Been here in DTJC for 26 years, the PATH Train is a nightmare as far as crowding goes. It's only going to get worse. Lets review, the trains go in on one track and return on another. Any train that goes into 33rd Street has to be turned around and so all but one of the inbound trains have to wait. They cannot increase service. If they had a circular route then it would be easy to increase trains.

I ride the PATH every weekday from 830-9. It's not a nightmare. If there's delays, yes the trains are very full. And some times I can't get on the first train that gets by. But it's not a nightmare. Enough with the histrionics.

Ever talk to someone who rode the 4-5-6 or L? You'd be begging for the PATH.

That being said, the PATH could be so much better than it is and it's clear that the service is what it is now because they don't care about serving its riders.

if a briefcase up your butt for 30 minutes to 33rd street is not a nightmare then I don't want to know what kind of nightmares you have...

Seagull wrote:
If Staten Island can get a free ferry, why can't Jersey City?

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Vigilante wrote:
Been here in DTJC for 26 years, the PATH Train is a nightmare as far as crowding goes. It's only going to get worse. Lets review, the trains go in on one track and return on another. Any train that goes into 33rd Street has to be turned around and so all but one of the inbound trains have to wait. They cannot increase service. If they had a circular route then it would be easy to increase trains.

I ride the PATH every weekday from 830-9. It's not a nightmare. If there's delays, yes the trains are very full. And some times I can't get on the first train that gets by. But it's not a nightmare. Enough with the histrionics.

Ever talk to someone who rode the 4-5-6 or L? You'd be begging for the PATH.

That being said, the PATH could be so much better than it is and it's clear that the service is what it is now because they don't care about serving its riders.

It is packed to capacity by Grove Street, and there are three soon-to-be-full highrises just outside the entrance. So, a nightmare-in-the-making, at least.

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It is packed to capacity by Grove Street, and there are three soon-to-be-full highrises just outside the entrance. So, a nightmare-in-the-making, at least.

Yeah Grove to WTC felt like the worst ever. Nobody ever gets off and it's always packed during the morning rush. When I used to be in that area a few years ago, I would often just walk to Exch Pl. since a lot of people from JSQ and beyond get off there.

Those new high rises will seriously ruin that stop.