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What do you have against a home grow provision? That's what's most confusing to me. Why are you arguing against one?

Umm, I think you need to read slower. When you said you can always grow your own, I was merely pointing out that it might not necessarily be so.

I was warning against the possibility that New Jersey could not include a grow provision, after it was brought up that taxes were the primary motivation and they might limit grow. That does not mean I support it!

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An excellent straw man argument there.

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I don't personally have a problem with paying the tax on marijuana if there is a home grow provision. Alcohol is similarly taxed, but people also have the liberty to brew their own alcohol at home

Home brewing wasn't legalized till 1979.
https://beerandbrewing.com/the-day-homebrewing-was-legalized/

Huh? What argument do you think I am making? It's already been established that Washington passed recreational legalization without home growing. So it's not beyond the realm of possibility that New Jersey could do likewise.

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I don't personally have a problem with paying the tax on marijuana if there is a home grow provision. Alcohol is similarly taxed, but people also have the liberty to brew their own alcohol at home

Home brewing wasn't legalized till 1979.
https://beerandbrewing.com/the-day-homebrewing-was-legalized/

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Didn't know about WA. But this "overtaxed" is overblown. If an $8 gram has $2 tax, do you really think that's so awful? Booze is similarly taxed and no one is hysterical. The dispensary limiting IS a big deal. If you have to drive an hour, or spend hours on public transit to reach the nearest dispensary, that's deliberate hardship.

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Weed is even easier than tobacco (which has to be dried, toasted, and has other stuff added to it). Anyone with $500 to spare can setup a pretty nice grow room in a spare closet.

I don't think any of the rec legal states have outlawed growing your own, some have pretty liberal ideas of how much is required for "personal use", typically 4-6 plants. And as it turns out, the taxes are not a big deal when the market is driving the price into the basement. I hear in CA its crazy cheap now.

All the gloom and doom predictions of corporate control of this product don't make any sense as long as personal growing is possible. Corps will do all the concentrates and such, where the money is, just like ADM makes far more than the farmer growing corn.

Our state lawmakers are morons, wanting to legalize possession but leave all the distribution in the hands of criminals. Is this Rice guy on dealer's payrolls?

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Senator Ronald R. Rice, the chairman of the state?s legislative black caucus and one of the most vocal opponents of legalization, fears dispensaries would be concentrated in cities. ?In my heart, and from my experience, I know the detriment it?s going to cause long-term in urban communities in particular,? he said. He supports decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana instead.

TheBigGuy wrote:
The vice story said one NJ proposal wanted to start the tax at 7%, then after several years it would grow to 25%. No idea what alcohol is taxed at but it is pretty obvious the only thing they want is immediate increased usage and a new revenue stream that grows to feed their spending addiction.

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I just hope that the wonderful customer service doesn't fade with time.

Did you notice the signs over the checkout counters telling the clerks to smile and make eye contact? Mine didn't, but the woman at the soup counter totally did. I think it's hard culturally, I've rarely seen Asian customer service that did that, even when you're such regular somewhere that they know your order. The "customer experience" seems just not to be a thing.

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Just saw a kid stick his hands in one of the cold buffets.

Inside is pretty nice but seems much more expensive than Shop Rite. One pint of Ben & Jerry's was $6.99.

one goes to a place like sprouts for convenience...not bargains

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How would anyone have any idea they were supposed to ask for fresh donuts? It's like going to McDonalds and saying, "Please, not the fries that have been sitting there for three hours." (Someone's going to say, "I always ask for fresh fries!" Good for you.)

Anyway, they obviously hadn't been sitting there for just the 15 minutes I waited. Probably just the early morning pump out that were already boxed up. Not the end of the world. Thankfully it's almost lent and I can blame Jesus for avoiding Krispy Kreme.

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We went on Monday morning. Hot Donut sign was on. Glazed donuts churning through the machine in the window. So I ordered a dozen glazed. We waited about 15 minutes to get the donuts at the other end (there were only about four other people in line). And we got a box of cold, hard, glazed donuts. I considered just leaving them there.

And yet you didn't. You should have gone with your first instinct. Granted the place should have had better signage with their "hot request" policy stated. Just surprised they were hard in that minimal amount of time, I heard they last for days.

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I know New York is expanding their ferry service, and the cost will be the same as a single ride MTA swipe of a metro card. It's too bad New Jersey can't figure out something along those lines. I think more people would take the ferry if it didn't cost $6/$7 a ride from Jersey City.

The ferries are expensive because they're privately operated.

The only way to reduce the cost is to subsidize them. Which is fine, but also means someone else is now paying for the ferry, via taxes. So who is stuck with the bill?

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Ferry is already standing room only if you're late. They should increase prices to make more use the Path.

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love Tender Shoot or hate 'em, to have an entire giant, central city block with no grocery store is just bonkers.

P&K is right down the street from Tendershoot on Newark Ave.

I love P&K, but it's small, and tucked away. the neighborhood will miss having a grocery store on the plaza. but hey, as long as we get another bar...

I_heart_JC wrote:
love Tender Shoot or hate 'em, to have an entire giant, central city block with no grocery store is just bonkers.

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No alcohol? Really?

Supermarket chains are only allowed 2 liquor licenses for the entire state.