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Adding another road emptying into Communipaw/Grand won't help, the new road will be equally as blocked as the others. Anyone living in Bergen Lafayette who thinks this road will magically eliminate these jams is mistaken.
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There are number of neighborhoods in southern tip of Jersey City and Bayonne that don?t have access to HBLR and use public transportation/shuttles to PATH. This bridge would make their access to PATH easier.

This should TERRIFY anyone that lives in the area. A few years ago, I came within inches of being hit (and, possibly, ran over) by an Alexan shuttle bus. The drivers of those shuttles would routinely speed down Philips Rd, blow past the STOP sign at the corner with Audrey Zapp Dr, where they would then make a left to end up on Johnston Ave. I called to complain and the very next day they changed their route to avoid that intersection. But, of course, you still have the regular joe drivers that seem to be completely oblivious to the existence of the STOP sign at that intersection and which almost universally refuse to respect the crosswalk there. I have had many, many close calls there. The city and state have abdicated their responsibility in ensuring the safety of that intersection, and have failed to capitalize on what could be a potential windfall in fines. And, for that reason alone, I oppose the construction of a car bridge connecting LSP to Jersey Avenue: if drivers are already such a menace to pedestrians and runners crossing at that intersection, imagine if the cars could now continue on towards a bridge...

I think that intersection will have lights.

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There are number of neighborhoods in southern tip of Jersey City and Bayonne that don?t have access to HBLR and use public transportation/shuttles to PATH. This bridge would make their access to PATH easier.

This should TERRIFY anyone that lives in the area. A few years ago, I came within inches of being hit (and, possibly, ran over) by an Alexan shuttle bus. The drivers of those shuttles would routinely speed down Philips Rd, blow past the STOP sign at the corner with Audrey Zapp Dr, where they would then make a left to end up on Johnston Ave. I called to complain and the very next day they changed their route to avoid that intersection. But, of course, you still have the regular joe drivers that seem to be completely oblivious to the existence of the STOP sign at that intersection and which almost universally refuse to respect the crosswalk there. I have had many, many close calls there. The city and state have abdicated their responsibility in ensuring the safety of that intersection, and have failed to capitalize on what could be a potential windfall in fines. And, for that reason alone, I oppose the construction of a car bridge connecting LSP to Jersey Avenue: if drivers are already such a menace to pedestrians and runners crossing at that intersection, imagine if the cars could now continue on towards a bridge...

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There are number of neighborhoods in southern tip of Jersey City and Bayonne that don?t have access to HBLR and use public transportation/shuttles to PATH. This bridge would make their access to PATH easier.

Hot_Soup wrote:
And Brewster, are you being coy? There is a rather fun 2-minute ferry to the park, granted it only runs every 30 minutes.

jcguy05 wrote:
It is absolutely ridiculously that the downtown residents can see liberty state park 20 feet away but in order to get to it needs to drive a circle around jersey, not to mention increasing unnecessary traffic.

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Not to mention the very obvious negative impact it will have on the Van Vorst Park area. This is very bad, and it makes me sick that it seems like a done deal. Fulop sold his soul on this one, and that sucks.

jmiz wrote:
Wrong on the first account. I am the furthest from a B-L resident. I do think it's comical that downtown residents see this bridge as a one way super freeway to their beloved, quiet and traffic-free neighborhoods and not as a two-way mutually beneficial logical roadway connection to one of the most prized open spaces in all of Hudson County.

As for your traffic theory, yes, I agree and it is likely to happen. However, this scenario is not the life changing shortcut that will attract the masses that you're predicting. Anyone looking to shortcut the Holland Tunnel traffic is getting off on a legit exit ramp that is the Columbus BLVD exit.

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I did not say Grand would gridlock, I said The HBLR grade crossing would. Why? because commuting drivers are self centered pricks, judging by the constant gridlock at certain roads and intersections, like 18th & Jersey where it's difficult to cross Jersey during afternoon rush. I see the difficulty of getting past the Grand light backing up traffic to the crossing, with the inevitable morons who will go even though they can't get through the crossing.

The faith of Lafayette residents, of which you presumably are one, that this will ease their traffic is absurd, and goes against all the history of "bypass" road construction in heavily trafficked areas. The moment you make it easier to drive via any route people will fill it to the point of saturation. Every driver that switches to the bridge route will be replaced by another, I guarantee it. They thought building the Lincoln Tunnel would reduce traffic on the Holland. It did, for a very short time.

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Does the HBLR crossing under the train tracks on Johnston gridlock? Why would Grand St. gridlock?

Which cars coming from the Turnpike that would take the new Jersey Ave bridge are not already on Johnston?

The cars that use Johnston > Pacific still cross at Jersey and Grand. Do those cars cause intersection gridlock? Why would there be instant gridlock if the cars are coming down Jersey instead of down Grand?

Your rational is so misdirected.

Cilento wrote:
What about a gondola or sky ride across the marina, like Roosevelt Island?

The view from the gondola would be amazing.

I proposed a London Eye type of ferris wheel experience there long ago, long before the Staten Island announcement. I see this spot as a real opportunity for JC. Tourist would come across from the city if there was something worth seeing/doing. It worked in London. The south bank is now a real destination whereas before it was mainly ignored. And the entire reason for its development as a tourist destination was the view back over the river.

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What about a gondola or sky ride across the marina, like Roosevelt Island? Why not turn that spot into a destination? Link it to Liberty State Park and you've got yourself a fun weekend experience for tourists. Downtown loses out on tourism in LSP because it might as well be across the Hudson.

The view from the gondola would be amazing. I proposed a London Eye type of ferris wheel experience there long ago, long before the Staten Island announcement. I see this spot as a real opportunity for JC. Tourist would come across from the city if there was something worth seeing/doing. It worked in London. The south bank is now a real destination whereas before it was mainly ignored. And the entire reason for its development as a tourist destination was the view back over the river.

brewster wrote:
As I've said every time this monster rears it's head, just picture the clusterfuck at Jersey & Grand every morning as bumper to bumper cars try to enter Downtown from this bridge. I predict they gridlock the HBLR grade crossing. And Lafayette will see no relief whatsoever, because traffic will always fill to the "pain" level.

Hot_Soup wrote:
Already suffered through 14C congestion mornings when we lived on Monmouth. Love this idea of locking people out w/EasyPass... JC streets are not an on-ramp, especially for aggro suburban drivers who ignore all signs and pedestrians.

And Brewster, are you being coy? There is a rather fun 2-minute ferry to the park, granted it only runs every 30 minutes.

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jcguy05 wrote:
why cant they just build a narrow bridge connecting the tip of washington street with liberty state park

because there are 2 marinas in the Morris canal. This would be an impossibility.

Not an impossibility, just absurdly expensive to make it high enough to clear the tallest masts. And if did, no doubt many would complain it was an eyesore blocking their views.

If the property owners of Paulus Hook really feel strongly about access, they could easily cooperate on creating a small ferry service.