CatDog wrote:
I'll miss the Pep Boys a lot. I'll miss the Shoprite and BJ's equally enough. I'm really glad that there will be a more walkable space, with more drivable roadways (the whole Tunnel/Mall/Metro Plaza trifecta is a perfect wall between Newport and the rest of town). I really hope that when this is all done that BJ's and Shoprite survive. I guess I can always go find another smaller shop to get car work done, but good, cheap groceries are becoming harder to find downtown.

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tommyc_37 wrote:
What is the advantage of altering the street grid? I don't understand that at all. Makes the development feel like an isolated development versus being integrated into the rest of the city. A really bad idea, seemingly - am I missing something?

Urban renewal of the 1940s-1960s encouraged large chunks of neighborhoods to be sectioned off for one purpose, i.e. WTC, Lincoln Center. The Shoprite complex is not a mid-century product, but its design is. (Re)introducing the street grid has been done whenever possible to these big plots of land.

Maybe we're looking at two different things, but the street grid hasn't been rearranged. Streets have been added to what is now a parking lot. Adding streets is supposed to integrate the section back in to the city ......

tommyc_37 wrote:
What is the advantage of altering the street grid? I don't understand that at all. Makes the development feel like an isolated development versus being integrated into the rest of the city. A really bad idea, seemingly - am I missing something?

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07310 wrote:

I do most of my shopping at WF, TJ's I go to Shoprite for the basics only because it is close.

which wf you goto?

jklm wrote:


Main amendments being sought:
12 towers instead of 16 towers
street grid altered
open space increased to one acre

already approved: residential units - 5,700

Let's hope the park will be Phase 2.

07310 wrote:

I do most of my shopping at WF, TJ's I go to Shoprite for the basics only because it is close.

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
Plenty of people in DTJC do their shopping in the city or burbs. I saw people in my building with Wegman's bags, and the closest one is Woodbridge, which isn't very close at all.

The problem is not limited to the poorer parts of the city. For the amount of population and wealth in DTJC, the supermarket choices are not great either.

jklm wrote:


Main amendments being sought:
12 towers instead of 16 towers
street grid altered
open space increased to one acre

already approved: residential units - 5,700

Let's hope the park will be Phase 2.

Voyeur wrote:

As of right now there is no plan for a school.

fat-ass-bike wrote:

One just has to look at the demographics and see what the population was in 1990 at the start of the building boom and now - Have we added an extra school,

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corybraiterman wrote:
so how did the meeting go? i saw the post earlier and planned to attend, but got roped into dinner with friends. standard BS all around i'm assuming?

For shame, after I got home last night, I couldn't convince myself to schlep back down to the Powerhouse from HP. But, from someone who did attend the meeting:

My understanding is that this redevelopment plan added height and density around 8 years ago with no meeting by the owners to the public. Since then the owner has joined with the developers that gave a presentation last night.

Here are some stats:
They want to build 12 buildings.
Each building will be around 35-40 stories.
The first building will be where the pep boys corner is. It will be rentals.
There will be a total of 5700 units when the project is finished.
Units will be 600 - 1000 sq ft.
There will be a park a little less than an acre to accommodate the nearly 6000-10,000 people that will come into the area. (that's 1/5 or 1/6th the size of Hamilton Park)
As of right now there is no plan for a school.
As of right now they are considering incorporating the ShopRite into one of the buildings. But they couldn't answer the question of whether the parking garage would be free for shoppers.
BJ's & Pep Boys will be gone. I don't know if they mentioned BB&B.

corybraiterman wrote:
so how did the meeting go? i saw the post earlier and planned to attend, but got roped into dinner with friends. standard BS all around i'm assuming?

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
The PATH will be a little more packed
The buses will be a little more full
Less available on-street parking
Less spots available for child care
Overcrowded classroom numbers
A little more crowded parks
A little more dog poop
A few more cyclists using the sidewalk
A few more motorist speeding, and running stop signs
A few more members on JClist

and then we argue the pro's and con's of gentrification and the issues associated with high density, high rise inner city developments !

why are you always so negative about progress and development? If you want jersey city to remain a dump like it was 20 years ago, just move to irvington or newark, otherwise deal with it, the steamroller is not stopping for you.

Amen!

tommyc_37 wrote:

It would be nice if there was a good vision for the mall. Unfortunately I think it's here to stay :( I started a thread on this, entitled "the future of newport mall", a few years ago if you want to search for it on this forum.

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
Just another building that puts a strangle hold on property prices / values - Those that have bought in the past 10 years will never gain any rise in property prices as new apartments are being sold for the same amount; but maintaining a profitable margin to build them!

It seems that all of the new high rise construction both downtown and in JSQ is "luxury rental". As discussed elsewhere on this board, developers are choosing (or are restricted through financing terms) to construct rentals rather than condos. We see this from the Maddox and York at Warren to URL and the Majestic II across from City Hall.

If that is and continues to be the case, we might expect the glut of supply to stabilize rental prices downtown, but I would expect the impact on condo prices to be negligible since the supply of units to purchase is remaining static.

In fact, if more renters move here and decide they want to buy, the influx of newcomers might even drive condo prices up as demand increases but available inventory remains unchanged. I might be wrong on that point, but in any event, I can't see the flood of new rental inventory being a depreciative factor on real estate prices in DTJC.