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Monroe wrote:
The 'highlight' of Obama's 2 terms is going to be this cock up of monumental proportions-and it won't be the disgraceful website non-roll out, but when the true travesty of Obamacare on 85% of the populace becomes apparent. True socialism at work-screw the 85% to benefit the 15%.

If only the low information voters understood this during the last election rather than believe the lies they were told by Obama about his Obamacare . . . Add 'you'll keep the plan you like' to the famous lies like 'the checks in the mail'.

Ill informed? Hardly... If Congress had passed Medicare for All, us progressives' preferred simple, universal alternative to the kludgeocratic - http://www.salon.com/2013/10/28/what_ ... to_do_to_social_security/ - ACA mess, signing up would have been a lot easier and the potential for website snafus correspondingly less (or, your "socialism-at-work" used to be known as "promoting the general welfare").

But, rather than throw the baby (15% = 4,500,000 fellow citizens, does "fellow citizen mean anything to you, Monroe?) we informed voters opted to urge our leaders to support something over nothing.

Wishful_Thinking wrote:
Nancy Gibbs in the current issue of 'Time' has an interesting comment - "But all reforms have winners and losers; throwing people off cheap, no-frills plans is central to making the Affordable Care Act work.

jcdd wrote:
Something needs to be done. One life is simply not worth more than another because they happen to have been born into a family with higher net worth.

Monroe wrote:
The 'highlight' of Obama's 2 terms is going to be this cock up of monumental proportions-and it won't be the disgraceful website non-roll out, but when the true travesty of Obamacare on 85% of the populace becomes apparent. True socialism at work-screw the 85% to benefit the 15%.

If only the low information voters understood this during the last election rather than believe the lies they were told by Obama about his Obamacare . . . Add 'you'll keep the plan you like' to the famous lies like 'the checks in the mail'.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
The unfortunate thing when debating politics is that when someone dissents, they're immediately cast as the extreme version of whatever the opposition is. Guess what kids, you can vote Democrat and still Obama is a miserable failure. Having issues with Obama's policies does not make one a Fox News sheep. I've never watched Fox News. Ever. Never will. We don't all fit into these molds that allow you to easily to dismiss valid concerns as right wing blah blah.

I still think this sh*tshow of an administration is running this country into the ground. I've voted Democrat, and I've voted republican. So, please, stop being the exact type of tool you're eschewing and get your heads out of your collective a$$es and stick to the issues.

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85% of Americans are "happy with their health care" because they have no idea what it really costs - they're shielded from it because they're covered by employers or by artificially-suppressed/state regulated plans. If nothing else, the ACA debacle has exposed the truth: Americans are spectacularly unhealthy, our health care costs are out of control and rising at 3x the rate of inflation. All the hoopla over websites and broken promises is just another sideshow; the simple reality is we have an unsustainable system.

+1 While getting the kinks out of any big, new initiative can take some time, and no-one wants to hear of people being inconvenienced during what is supposed to be a huge step forward for all Americans - the reality is a very, very small % of people are being affected http://www.cnbc.com/id/101218418 and 40 TIMES AS MANY!! people will get insurance under ACA as will loose their coverage.
@Monroe, stillnjc, et al - why are you making a mountain out of a molehill? And the "lefty" Democrats didn't listen to Republicans when they drafted ACA legislation? Are you kidding me?! "Planet Fox" must be way out past Pluto - ACA is so cumbersome and uneccessisarily expensive BECAUSE of Republican input - who wanted to keep the trough in front of their big Pharma corporate enablers.

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JCishome wrote:
85% of Americans are "happy with their health care" because they have no idea what it really costs - they're shielded from it because they're covered by employers or by artificially-suppressed/state regulated plans. If nothing else, the ACA debacle has exposed the truth: Americans are spectacularly unhealthy, our health care costs are out of control and rising at 3x the rate of inflation. All the hoopla over websites and broken promises is just another sideshow; the simple reality is we have an unsustainable system.

+1 While getting the kinks out of any big, new initiative can take some time, and no-one wants to hear of people being inconvenienced during what is supposed to be a huge step forward for all Americans - the reality is a very, very small % of people are being affected http://www.cnbc.com/id/101218418 and 40 TIMES AS MANY!! people will get insurance under ACA as will loose their coverage.
@Monroe, stillnjc, et al - why are you making a mountain out of a molehill? And the "lefty" Democrats didn't listen to Republicans when they drafted ACA legislation? Are you kidding me?! "Planet Fox" must be way out past Pluto - ACA is so cumbersome and uneccessisarily expensive BECAUSE of Republican input - who wanted to keep the trough in front of their big Pharma corporate enablers.

JCishome wrote:
85% of Americans are "happy with their health care" because they have no idea what it really costs - they're shielded from it because they're covered by employers or by artificially-suppressed/state regulated plans. If nothing else, the ACA debacle has exposed the truth: Americans are spectacularly unhealthy, our health care costs are out of control and rising at 3x the rate of inflation. All the hoopla over websites and broken promises is just another sideshow; the simple reality is we have an unsustainable system.

Monroe wrote:
Rather than quote Vindications lame attempt to deflect, just look at the facts. Obama didn't qualify his remarks-if he had, he wouldn't have given his 'mea culpa' about the lies, would he?

As he said-period.

As Pelosi said-you have to pass it to know what's in it.

The fact is, screwing 85% of US citizens who were happy with their health care to help the 15% who needed help was/is absurd, and the 85% are now finding out. Why are they finding out now? Because they were lied to believing they keep their plans and their doctors.

The biggest lie is the dual Obamacare/Affordable Care Act name. What did O/A do to lower costs for those with insurance? Do we have tort reform? Can we shop for insurance across state lines? No, neither of these cost saving initiatives were written into the law by the Democrats. Which is one reason why no Republicans voted for it.

What is so scary to the left is that Obamacare is ENTIRELY ON THEM. They wrote it behind closed doors, they made backroom deals to get the votes needed, and they still had to pass it using a shady procedural move with zero bi-partisan support. IT"S ALL ON THEM. No whining that Republicans opposed it has any fact that it's failing on its merits, and that despite Obama having 3 years to get it ready it's fallen flat on its face. A website that should have cost a few million and ended up costing the better part of a billion is the least of the problems.

And gee, the government shut down was over the Republicans wanting a year delay for the individual mandate, just like Obama had already given the corporate mandate.

Which Obama said he wouldn't do. Until he read the polls. And then he did, lol.

What a leader! All that shut down misery for nothing!

Lied to by the person who should have more integrity than any other elected official.

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His legacy will, perhaps, be the worst POTUS in history
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JCishome wrote:
I'm not thrilled to be in the same camp as Vindication (no offense, dude, but you come across as a little nasty), but he's right. All of the Minimum Essentials requirements were in the law from the beginning, for anyone who troubled to read them. I'm in the insurance industry, and we all laughed at the "you can keep it" rhetoric from the beginning. If your opinion of highly complex legislation is based on 2-minute sound bites, you kind of deserve what you got.

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Monroe wrote:
It was a craven lie designed to fool the American public just before an election, one that he won by a lesser margin than his first, and with fewer people voting.

It worked. His lies got him elected.

I don't see how 2 1/2 years before an election is "just before" and I don't see how winning in a landslide that wasn't as big as your previous landslide makes any difference.

I think you're the kind of guy that if Obama personally cured cancer tomorrow, would still be yelling about how he's a monster. That he's simultaneously an evil, lying, dictator and also a bumbling idiot that doesn't know what's going on.

+1 WOW Obama hater living in Jersey City LMAO that is hysterical HAHA!!

I don't hate Obama, I dislike his politics immensely. If you want vitriol, just see what the 'inclusive' left wing loonies say about Governor Palin-misogyny is fine when it's towards a woman who isn't a Democrat. Pee and crap in her mouth says a MSNBC personality, without being suspended or fired? Imagine if a Fox News or radiohead who's conservative had said the same thing . . .

But let's see. Lie about Obamacare, saves a couple million votes. Voter suppression by denying non-profit groups status by the IRS, maybe some more. Stall on investigations on Benghazi and Fast n Furious, add some more. Make up phony employment numbers, dropping unemployment percentages under 8% just before November, yup more of the same.

Add them all up, and Obama's squeakier second term voting results besides those moves, and you may have a one term POTUS.

But the ends justify the means to the Chicago mob.

SEC. 1302. ESSENTIAL HEALTH BENEFITS REQUIREMENTS.
(a) Essential Health Benefits Package- In this title, the term ?essential health benefits package? means, with respect to any health plan, coverage that--
(1) provides for the essential health benefits defined by the Secretary under subsection (b);
(2) limits cost-sharing for such coverage in accordance with subsection (c); and
(3) subject to subsection (e), provides either the bronze, silver, gold, or platinum level of coverage described in subsection (d).
(b) Essential Health Benefits-
(1) IN GENERAL- Subject to paragraph (2), the Secretary shall define the essential health benefits, except that such benefits shall include at least the following general categories and the items and services covered within the categories:
(A) Ambulatory patient services.
(B) Emergency services.
(C) Hospitalization.
(D) Maternity and newborn care.
(E) Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment.
(F) Prescription drugs.
(G) Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices.
(H) Laboratory services.
(I) Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management.
(J) Pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

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Monroe wrote:
It was a craven lie designed to fool the American public just before an election, one that he won by a lesser margin than his first, and with fewer people voting.

It worked. His lies got him elected.

I don't see how 2 1/2 years before an election is "just before" and I don't see how winning in a landslide that wasn't as big as your previous landslide makes any difference.

I think you're the kind of guy that if Obama personally cured cancer tomorrow, would still be yelling about how he's a monster. That he's simultaneously an evil, lying, dictator and also a bumbling idiot that doesn't know what's going on.

+1 WOW Obama hater living in Jersey City LMAO that is hysterical HAHA!!

CatDog wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
It was a craven lie designed to fool the American public just before an election, one that he won by a lesser margin than his first, and with fewer people voting.

It worked. His lies got him elected.

I don't see how 2 1/2 years before an election is "just before" and I don't see how winning in a landslide that wasn't as big as your previous landslide makes any difference.

I think you're the kind of guy that if Obama personally cured cancer tomorrow, would still be yelling about how he's a monster. That he's simultaneously an evil, lying, dictator and also a bumbling idiot that doesn't know what's going on.