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Re: gas grill illegal on raised back deck?
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Egads!!! Saw this today and my jaw just dropped.


See post #30 above, Thats it.


He's the same guy who doesn't pick up after his dog in Van Vorst Park. I've been an eye witness to his "forgetfulness"

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Gee, what is that cute sculpture atop the building addition? I think I saw something like that at the last Whitney Retospective.

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Egads!!! Saw this today and my jaw just dropped.


See post #30 above, Thats it.

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Egads!!! Saw this today and my jaw just dropped. Obvious fire hazard aside, I can just picture that thing getting blown off the roof during a storm and causing serious damage.

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The same rules apply in NYC so it is not a NJ thing

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Why is anyone surprised by the regulations? This is the same state that doesn't let people pump their own gasoline!

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+1 Xerxes

Let's take a look at the number of house fires nationwide related to gas grills in comparison the the number of grills used without accident - on a daily basis.

I am willing to bet that # is a tenth of a percent or less.

You are more likely to get hit by a car - OMG - you better put on body pads and a helmet!

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How preposterous it all this "granny-care" considering that liquid propane is one of the most widely used fuels in the United States? In fact:
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“Propane is everywhere natural gas is not,” said Tim Johnson of Propane Plus, Rehoboth, Mass., whose customer base is 95 percent propane users and 5 percent natural gas. “In our area (15 miles east of Providence, R.I.), 75 percent of all homes are fuel oil beyond the gas mains. It is a deal where our area is dependent on oil companies with no storage capacity keeping the energy level cheaper on average than propane.


And these are BIG propane tanks usually attached to the side of the house, enough to blow a home to kingdom come if ignited. The piping is run into the house and fuels the stove, the hot water heater and the furnace. People in the boonies learned long ago how miserable it was to lose electricity in a winter storm with no alternate fuel source. How about oil tanks with 1000 gallons of fuel oil IN THE BASEMENT or cars parked with 20 gallons of gasoline UNDER A BEDROOM or townhouse?

So, NJ bureaucrats are just being silly becasue that's what bureaucrats DO!

(As the regulations are written, I guess I have to throw away my "indoor" butane lighter lest I cause a catastrophe?)
Silly silly silly stuff...treating adults like pre-schoolers.

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Last year a piece of the cornice on a house in my neighbrhood started coming down. A couple of fire trucks showed up, blocked off the streets and cut down the loose parts.
Every building inspector in the city must have shown up and an emergency crew removed the entire cornice around two sides.
After that, the owner was forced to repair every piece of the facade, including removing major sections of brick to redo it, and re-pointing where needed.
In short, it was a really big deal and took all summer. They are just now rebuilding the cornice. You just know the building department has been all over the guy, inspecting every screw and nail going in.
Throughout the whole time, a tenant on the third floor has had a gas grill sitting out on the roof of the two story extension in full view of the street.
Go figure.

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Does anyone know if they have grills in Lincoln Park or if you can bring your own?

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I slogged through this last year, finally phoning the fire dept. and being told no type of grill is acceptable on a deck in JC. I was on the verge of picking up a high-end electric grill, I'm glad I didn't. This is very frustrating, since in NYC you can have both charcoal and electric grills on a deck as long as they are x feet away from walls.

I ended up buying a small portable grill along w/2 fire extinguishers, and since my deck is hidden from street view I've had no problems. If you go w/charcoal, I'd recommend avoiding lighter fluid and going w/one of those charcoal chimneys Weber sells, you'd be surprised how quickly all your coals are glowing red (about 5 mins.).

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Call Jersey City FD office of fire prevention. They can tell you exactly what the local rules are.


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Even more dangerous in a city where the fire can spread VERY fast and destroy a block in a mater of minutes.

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Stick to charcoal and keep water nearby....Legal or not, propane tanks are very, very, very dangerous on multi-dwell balcony, roof or deck. Huge explosion. Fast-moving fires.....Check them out on youtube....gas grill explosions.....Even in the yard, you should keep them well-away from the house.

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Call Jersey City FD office of fire prevention. They can tell you exactly what the local rules are.

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I just called a number I found on the previous thread that was linked here and was transferred 4 times, each time to a supervisor, so I may be at Corzine's office now for all I know. Anyway, someone took my number and will be calling me back.

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or a great savings account just in case you blow up the hood. Other than that, yup you should be just fine

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Or make sure you have renter's insurance before you do.

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Or burn the place down

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If your deck is not visible from the street, I think there would be a hard time enforcing any rules against deck grills. Just don't piss off the neighbors.

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The landlord may have meant electric grills - those are acceptable on most decks; however, the concern with gas grills is that if it blows up - you're going to most likely damage more than just your house.....

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I have a gas grill on my deck.... there is no issue I am aware of. You can even have a fire pit if you like - we cleared that with the JCFD

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I recently signed a lease on an aprtment that has a large deck. I noticed that none of the other units in the building (there is ony 3) have grills on their decks. I also noticed that none of the nearby ones did either. I know my landlord does not have a rule against grills as he said, when showing us the unit, that the deck was perfect for grilling, however, he doesn't live in the state. I just wanted to make sure there is no Jersey City law against having a girll on a deck. Thanks.

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I asked the Inspector that came by today about grills. He said you can't have any type of grill on your balcony, and anything in the back yard needs to be 15 feet from the building. My neighbor must have known that one because this morning his grill wasn't on his balcony. heh.

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The premise that a propane grill is illegal but a charcoal one is ok is a little odd, don't you think? I can see the flame (charcoal/propane) vs. no flame (electric) issue as being possible...

Are they thinking of the explosive vs non-explosive? Are they even thinking?


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Source: NFPA’s One-Stop Data Shop


*Gas grills have a higher fire risk than charcoal grills; leaks and breaks are the leading cause, accounting for nearly half of gas grill fires.

*Gas-fueled grills caused an estimated 600 home structure fires and 3,200 home outdoor fires in 2002.

*Charcoal-fueled or other solid-fueled grills caused an estimated 300 home structure fires and 300 home outdoor fires in 2002.

*Half of all gas grill and charcoal grill home structure fires begin on an exterior balcony or unenclosed porch.

*Gas fuel is the leading item first ignited for home outdoor gas grill fires.

*Structural member or framing, wall coverings, exterior trim, and plants are the leading items first ignited in home structure or outdoor charcoal grill fires.

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From a March 200 Legislative update by Mike Pesce:

PROPANE GAS GRILLS
A recent change has taken place changing the way the State treats propane gas grills. By way of history, in 1992 the State Fire Prevention Code was amended to ban or limit the use of propane gas grills on porches, decks or balconies. The prohibition applied on all decks, as well as on patios, unless the grill was located at least 5 feet from a combustible wall and was not under an overhang. As a result, propane grills were prohibited on all decks and almost all patios. There was another exception, however, which was created by the New Jersey Department of Community Affairs (DCA), via interpretation, which exempted other associations from the ban. Specifically, the DCA, in the early 1990's, interpreted the prohibition to apply only to R2 and not R3 type constructed units. In simple terms, R3 units were built more akin to single family homes, with greater fire wall safety between units. As a practical matter, they were typically townhouse units, which were accessed via exterior entrances rather than thru common hallways. The prohibition did apply, however, to R2 constructed units, which were typically condo flats accessed via common hallways.

This all changed last summer. In a DCA decision concerning a community which we manage, the Department changed their mind, and interpreted the prohibition to apply to all association-style units, regardless of construction type. In an interpretive letter which I received today, John Monahan, of the DCA, writes as follows:

"It is the position of the Bureau of Housing Inspection and the Division of Fire Safety that N.J.A.C. 5:70-3.2(a)4, F-402.4 (formerly N.J.A.C. 5:18-3.3(h)3 applies to all buildings required to be registered as multiple dwellings pursuant to the Hotel and multiple Dwelling Act (N.J.S.A. 55:13A-1 et seq.)."

Thus, there is no longer, in the eyes of the DCA, an exception for R3 construction type units. As a result, associations which have previously permitted these grills based on this exception must take a fresh look at this issue.

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From my back deck I can count at least 5 gas grills on my side of the block alone. Illegal or not, I would think this is something you could get away with fairly easily.

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Liquefied Petroleum Gas Act and Regulations

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“Liquefied petroleum gas” means any material which is composed predominantly of any of the following hydrocarbons, or mixtures of the same: propane, propylene, butanes (normal butane or isobutane), and butylenes."

N.J.S.A. 21:1B-3 INSTALLATION, MAINTENANCE OF EQUIPMENT

All equipment shall be installed and maintained in a safe operating condition and in conformity with the rules and regulations adopted under section 2 of this act.....


So, ya got section 2? the rest seems irrelevant to this situation. The "cylinder exchange cabinet" refers to places that sell the Blue Rhino tanks.

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Liquefied Petroleum Gas Act and Regulations

http://www.state.nj.us/dca/codes/lp_gas/lpg_regs_2006.pdf

Current through July 1, 2006

“Liquefied petroleum gas” means any material which is composed predominantly of any of the following hydrocarbons, or mixtures of the same: propane, propylene, butanes (normal butane or isobutane), and butylenes."

N.J.S.A. 21:1B-3 INSTALLATION, MAINTENANCE OF EQUIPMENT

All equipment shall be installed and maintained in a safe operating condition and in conformity with the rules and regulations adopted under section 2 of this act; however, the inspection of propane gas equipment installations inside of predominantly residential buildings and those above ground installations which are on the outside of predominantly residential buildings may be made and approved or disapproved by the Construction Code official of the respective municipality pursuant to the standards promulgated by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. For purposes of this act “predominantly residential” means and includes buildings in which people reside or dwell as distinguished from buildings which are used entirely for commercial or business purposes. The term shall also include any building having 51% or more of its total floor space devoted to dwelling purposes.

The storage of LP-Gas cylinders on exterior balconies of buildings shall be in accordance with the Uniform Construction Code (N.J.A.C. 5:23) and the Uniform Fire Code (N.J.A.C. 5:70).”

4. Ensure that cylinder exchange cabinets are set on a secure, are located at least 20 feet from any building opening or source of ignition and are not located or stored within a structure;

N.J.S.A. 21:1B-7 ORDINANCES NOT TO CONFLICT WITH REGULATIONS

No municipality or other political subdivision shall adopt or enforce any ordinance or regulation in conflict with the provisions of this act or with the regulations promulgated under section two of this act.

N.J.S.A. 21:1B-8 DECLARATION OF NECESSITY

The State of New Jersey hereby finds, determines and declares that this act is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety.

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Our building is getting expected tomorrow and I'm wondering if our neighbors above us with the gas grill on the balcony are going to get busted.

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