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Re: Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza Expansion
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Sorry, I'm not seeing how having cars driving down the road would have any effect on the number of drunk people wandering around. What's the connection?

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Generic response "it's a city, etc..etc...etc.. there's noise in a city..etc..etc".. hit snooze button.

1. Exchange Place is very lightly trafficked, easy to close a dead end street.

2. Newark Avenue could have widened the sidewalks, converted to one lane, and put an ordinance on the number of bars in a zoned area. Thus reducing the Beale / Bourbon Street effect.

3. Columbus and Grand SHOULD have center barriers for safety reasons, it's a no brainer, yet, radio silence.

4. After 9 PM, this Newark Restaurant Row turns into a nightmare for residents who have lived in the general proximity for years. How about we close your block and open up bars?

5. Proposal to close MLK and Central, just the same as prior to closing Newark Avenue, prop up and create new eating and drinking establishments / businesses and make it a car free zone.

6. More parks = better quality of life.

I am not against the idea, but it needs to be smarter, with a plan and purpose and zoned better. From what I see, Newark Avenue has been closed for 2 years....still has crumbling sidewalks, cheesy planters, a street painted green. Wow. Fabulous.

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Well at least the reval is working out for those folks in downtown Jersey City.

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Agree with Animal. If it's so great, why did an ordinance just pass: no rooftops after midnight and you cannot re-enter an establishment after 1 am. If they can truly transform Newark into a 'park' that would be great. But the city pushed to have a restaurant row which turned into bar row. It's a closed street painted green. Make new green space by creating parks. What about closing Central Avenue, MLK... close little India (Newark Avenue). No one has to live in a city where pee bottles are tossed all over the place along with disruptive behavior on adjacent streets. What about beautifying Columbus Drive? That needs a central barrier to make it easy to cross (think NYC Park Avenue) and streets not as wide (it's become a raceway). Grand Street could do the same. No, we need one block closed off for what? Add more bars?


I'm not sure why it has to be one or the other. Is it not possible to have both a restaurant row and more green space? We are getting just that - take a look at the plans for Exchange Place.

Some of your other ideas have merit - although I'm a little confused why you're suggesting closing other streets when you seem unhappy about the current pedestrian plaza. Central Ave and MLK would probably be difficult - but that Little India section is basically half a pedestrian plaza already on weekends. And Columbus Ave could definitely use work - I imagine it would be a good place to put some tram/light rail in, or otherwise just the central barrier.

As for the pedestrian plaza - have you ever been there during the day? I was there yesterday to check out the new section. There were lots of people walking around, kids biking and running around, people eating at restaurants. It really brought life to this area and I think most people would agree it's a lot nicer to walk around it than on the sidewalks of Newark Ave. And yes, obviously some people are a little rowdy at night - that's what you get when there is alcohol and large groups of people involved - but unless you are suggesting closing all bars or banning alcohol altogether, I'm not really sure it's not something that more enforcement or more cleaning crew or some tighter regulations (see ordinance recently passed) can't solve. The positive is that it brings social life to the area. I think it's worth a few rowdy people and a bit more noise. At the end of the day, it's a city, not a farm, and there's enough other noise in cities in general (cars driving around, trucks cleaning garbage, etc.) that the alternative isn't silence.

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Agree with Animal. If it's so great, why did an ordinance just pass: no rooftops after midnight and you cannot re-enter an establishment after 1 am. If they can truly transform Newark into a 'park' that would be great. But the city pushed to have a restaurant row which turned into bar row. It's a closed street painted green. Make new green space by creating parks. What about closing Central Avenue, MLK... close little India (Newark Avenue). No one has to live in a city where pee bottles are tossed all over the place along with disruptive behavior on adjacent streets. What about beautifying Columbus Drive? That needs a central barrier to make it easy to cross (think NYC Park Avenue) and streets not as wide (it's become a raceway). Grand Street could do the same. No, we need one block closed off for what? Add more bars?

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I love the new pedestrian plaza, but I do agree that rather than being a green space it’s a become a poor man’s Jersey shore with more garbage. Are there plans to add trees or fountains, or even more garbage cans?

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In the 80’s a cobblestone was a hot commodity so much so that there was a shortest of them. In NY, Philly and Jersey City where a few cobblestone streets were still around thieves were ripping up whole streets and selling cobblestones.


When they were doing roadwork in LSP like 2000 there was huge pile of cobbles sitting near the LSP side of the footbridge for years getting covered in weeds. I eventually took some for the garden edges.


Ha in the 70's and 80's PSE&G used to dump cobbles behind Marist HS in Bayonne before the rt 440 connection was completed. I also took many of them for my yard, friends yards and relatives yards.

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In the 80’s a cobblestone was a hot commodity so much so that there was a shortest of them. In NY, Philly and Jersey City where a few cobblestone streets were still around thieves were ripping up whole streets and selling cobblestones.


When they were doing roadwork in LSP like 2000 there was huge pile of cobbles sitting near the LSP side of the footbridge for years getting covered in weeds. I eventually took some for the garden edges.

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some cobblestones would enhance he character of the pedestrian zone imo


I agree, but that's $$$. I think they are repaving the street at some point (eliminate the curb), but even that undertaking was a big budget item last I heard, thus the delay.


Interesting all they have to do is remove/peel the blacktop that was used to cover the cobblestones. (there must be some sort of machine that can do that) As you probably know all of JC’s streets were cobblestone at one time. In the 80’s a cobblestone was a hot commodity so much so that there was a shortest of them. In NY, Philly and Jersey City where a few cobblestone streets were still around thieves were ripping up whole streets and selling cobblestones.

1984: How, and why, did somebody steal Mifflin Street?

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/re ... steal-Mifflin-street.html


Yeah when they repaved most of the downtown streets a year or do ago and milled the asphalt down to the cobblestones I had daydreams about how nice that would be.

The reason they can't just mill down Newark to expose the cobblestones is because on a plaza the intent is for the cartway (the part that is green now) to be level with the sidewalk. Tripping hazards as well as the subconscious car/pedestrian conflict remains even when the street is cordoned off as long as the street and sidewalk are different.

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some cobblestones would enhance he character of the pedestrian zone imo


I agree, but that's $$$. I think they are repaving the street at some point (eliminate the curb), but even that undertaking was a big budget item last I heard, thus the delay.


Interesting all they have to do is remove/peel the blacktop that was used to cover the cobblestones. (there must be some sort of machine that can do that) As you probably know all of JC’s streets were cobblestone at one time. In the 80’s a cobblestone was a hot commodity so much so that there was a shortest of them. In NY, Philly and Jersey City where a few cobblestone streets were still around thieves were ripping up whole streets and selling cobblestones.

1984: How, and why, did somebody steal Mifflin Street?

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/re ... steal-Mifflin-street.html

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It's actually nice, but traffic on Jersey ave is a mess. They should turn Jersey Ave into a pedestrian plaza too.

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This is amazing. I hope they start doing it on Grove Street. Would that be impossible?

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I think it is often overlooked and/or realized that you live in a CITY. If you want to get in your car, drive around with no traffic, stop in front of your favorite bakery with a parking spot for your car, leave the city.

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FYI - it's already done.

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Pee-destrian. Barrow will have to be closed from Columbus to Bay. Bay going westbound can turn right at Barrow.

Personally, the space is ugly. It is a street painted green. People living from 3 Street to Newark are littered with wandering drunks, bottles full of pee, loud talkers and cars circling their blocks looking for parking. Maybe making more green parks is a better answer to car free zones. This is mini-Beale Street. It's cheesy.


Look again at the link in post #39. Looks to me like Barrow will remain open (northbound-only) from Columbus to Newark and that intersection where it does the little jog over to Erie will remain open.

Direct link (Thanks, Leigh13) is here:

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Tender Shoot Farm did not close because of the pedestrian plaza. That's silly.


Further, despite what jcvoter Solomon says, the landlord has had several offers (some immediate) to rent the space, but they waited for a better suited tenant.

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Pee-destrian. Barrow will have to be closed from Columbus to Bay. Bay going westbound can turn right at Barrow.

Personally, the space is ugly. It is a street painted green. People living from 3 Street to Newark are littered with wandering drunks, bottles full of pee, loud talkers and cars circling their blocks looking for parking. Maybe making more green parks is a better answer to car free zones. This is mini-Beale Street. It's cheesy.

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some cobblestones would enhance he character of the pedestrian zone imo


I agree, but that's $$$. I think they are repaving the street at some point (eliminate the curb), but even that undertaking was a big budget item last I heard, thus the delay.

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Does anyone know where the delivery trucks can park to deliver stuff to businesses in this area?
Looks like it closed starting today till July 19th.

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Cool to see the expansion. Hopefully the pilot phase will uncover any problems with the plan and allow them to be fixed for a permanent implementation.

Here's the announcement from Mayor Fulop and the image of the expanded plans.

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How long has that space been empty? Market forces would say the ask is too high.

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some cobblestones would enhance he character of the pedestrian zone imo

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Tender Shoot Farm closed - according to them - because rent was high and they wanted to retire. The two combined brought them to their decision.

On the contrary, one could argue that pedestrian area was so successful as to contribute to the raised rent. (which is another concern but opposite your complaint.) In either case there is no "losing" business.

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Tender Shoot Farm did not close because of the pedestrian plaza. That's silly.

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The businesses who think they will lose business should talk to the business in Phase I of the plaza, who also thought they'd lose business and actually had the self-respect to admit, a year in, that they were wrong and business increased. This anecdotal evidence, as well as plenty of planning studies around the country and world, refute the knee-jerk reaction that this is bad for business.

PS I don't know what the plans are for the 2 parking lots, but they both have vehicular access from First St. so it's not like they're rendered useless.

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I knew this was being seriously considered for expansion and this morning I received the following in an email blast from our Mayor:

"Today, I will be signing an Executive Order expanding the Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza because I believe in the importance of working to build a pedestrian-friendly city. Car-free plazas, like the one we have created on Newark Avenue, provide major benefits to both local businesses and local residents-- they help to encourage a sense of walkability while boosting the local economy and growing the small business community."

While I generally agree with the concept (and live close enough that the walkability is a plus) I know there are a lot of business owners who expect to lose business because of this. Some get frequent deliveries, some do wholesale sales and need access for trucks to pick up, and then there's the city-owned parking lot next to the drugstore at Bay & Newark and the private lot for Bank of America customers closer to Jersey Ave. Did the City administration REALLY think this through ?

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They should close that section of Barrow off and put the passeo the SID was promoting a few years ago.

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Look at the rendering again... Barrow isn't getting closed off. The Barrow -> Erie highway will continue to cut through the area.


OK. Too bad. It probably should. It gets closed all day for the All About Downtown festival in September (I worked on that block all day last year), and the city survives.

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Regarding Barrow, there are two little business entrances on the east side, the botanica and the barber shop. But yeah, the rest is pretty much blank walls, with one big vacant lot.

But what you can do is put little micro-business spaces on the sidewalk in front of the blank walls, like little kiosks or spots for food carts, etc.

The sidewalks are pretty wide there, but width won't matter anyway now that the former street area is opened to pedestrians.


Look at the rendering again... Barrow isn't getting closed off. The Barrow -> Erie highway will continue to cut through the area.

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