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Re: Gothamist: The PATH Is A Packed, Slow-Motion Nightmare For NJ Commuters This Morning
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The PATH seems to be getting worse and worse every day! Emails pointing to "delays" don't really help if they don't include a general estimate on how long the delays are lasting... This morning, my train from JSQ to the WTC was delayed by ~25 minutes - a ride that usually lasts 10-12 minutes was well over half an hour. Obviously they KNOW this, so it'd be nice to be warned ahead of time so we could at least try to plan to leave the house early and account for the extra time!


I am no PATH apologist, but the PA has been issuing alerts hourly (since early this morning) letting people know to expect delays because of ongoing testing of the PTC implementation/system.



Right, but MUST it be tested during rush hour? You have 20+ other hours in the day to do so.

Posted on: 6/13 11:52
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Re: Donald Trump Solidifies World Peace
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Good *lord* you guys are thirsty for a win, aren't you.


I don't see that. Been many wins so far, one after another. I think the lefty's are dying of thirst for an L".

Look no further than Bill Maher, praying for a Recession, acknowledging it will hurt millions, just to get rid of Trump.

Trump derangement syndrome is indeed real. I didn't vote for the clown, but I do appreciate his ability to bring out the absolute worst in the mouth breathing, frothing progs.

Posted on: 6/12 12:55
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Re: Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza Expansion
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Time is everything in a fire. Years ago, the fire union, yes union, gave a talk about safety for their men. In that talk, the most important issue was time. After a fire starts burning, it is a matter of time before a fire explodes which is deadly for fire fighters. Removing barrier or a loss of time add to this problem.


I honestly don't understand why you post things like this.


I don't know why any of you reply. I'm serious, take the challenge. Resist all urges to rely to anything from Yvonne. Do it for a week. It would be hilarious.

Posted on: 6/6 16:33
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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I nominate myself to buy a round of drinks for Stateaidguy and Monroe, for bringing facts and rationality to the discussion.


I second that nomination, for stateaidguy anyway.


Ahhhhh come on. Reach across the aisle! Be a uniter!

Posted on: 6/5 10:46
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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I nominate myself to buy a round of drinks for Stateaidguy and Monroe, for bringing facts and rationality to the discussion.

Posted on: 6/5 10:22
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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LOL, what year was Abbott vs Burke? Oh yeah, 1985. Time to update that.

Posted on: 6/4 22:25
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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I guess those vaunted NJ suburban schools failed you. Again, the subject is Sweeney.

Go over to the Abbot thread and rub yourself blind.


Hahah someone is mad the rest of the state woke up to the raw deal they were getting, and is scared of the next round of tax hikes that are inevitable.

Posted on: 6/4 12:41
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Brewster, I'm ok with the tax-but disturbed that JC would find a way to exempt JC residents from the tax.


Why? Something well north of 80k people commute to JC, that's what it was a decade ago, best data I could find. They spend at least 40 hrs a week here, why is it outrageous to suggest they contribute more than maybe buying lunch?

As for school aid, bullshit. You've made clear for years that you want state support to JC ended, not just cut back to SFRA levels. Your stuff is nothing more than classic right wing social darwinism orthodoxy: everyone look out for themselves, and justify failure with your armchair sociology.


State aid should be completely cut off in a city where 1/3 of the buildings contribute ZERO to schools because of abatements, while at the same time spending like crazy. . Period. End of story. Until the property tax rate in JC approaches average, you should not complain whatsoever if our benefactors (homeowners in the rest of state) resent JC for this.

Posted on: 6/3 23:47
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Re: This county is booming, but most Shore areas haven't recovered their mojo.
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Yay JC! Start paying a comparable property tax rate! Start paying for your own schools!! LOL.


How many cities you keep citing that have high tax rates are working with a 2018 valuation?


I know they don't have a 1988 valuation ;)

Posted on: 6/3 22:53
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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No, Monroe. Don't you know it's racist these days to even suggest personal responsibility as a course of action?? Tsk, tsk, this board is going to eat you alive for that one LMAO.

Jokes aside, Monroe nailed it with the point that no one is saying prevent JC from using the payroll tax. But again, with very little skin in the game, behavior won't change. The reval is the greatest thing to happen to JC for all the reasons Monroe listed. Will steve be able to fund his pet projects to keep the locals asleep, and still keep taxes flat now?

We all can't wait to see!

Posted on: 6/3 22:41
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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I'm not sure why people keep saying that state funds are somehow the suburbs money going to the city. The urban areas are where the jobs are located, and where business that generates sales tax is located. Sure there are some exceptions like the Short Hills Mall, and some income is generated from investments and the like, rather than jobs. But many of those suburbanites demanding their "fair share" commute into NYC, and pay their income tax to NY, not NJ. (The same is true, of course, for Jersey City residents that hop the PATH train in).

Whatever the issues with "fair share" of property taxes going to schools, Jersey City and other urban areas provide the lion's share of funding to the state.


Source for this completely made up tidbit?

I'm sure JC produces more revenue than most cities in NJ. It's highly unlikely they provide more revenue than the rest of the state. But nice try. Party's over, pal.

Posted on: 6/3 22:01
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Monroe, and non JC residents like him, quite frankly, have just as much skin in the game with JC as residents do.


No, they don't. Same as we don't let foreigners, even ones who live here, vote in our US elections. If a JC public employee chooses not to live in the city that employs them, they give up the right to vote in that city. They can choose to work elsewhere, same as all the people who complain about street noise and parking are told to move if they don't like it.

I hate the fact that we have Monmouth County resident cops who, when told of a crime, think and even occasionally say, "what do you expect, living in this shithole?" I had a friend who taught in the system say the other night that one of her colleagues was an deep racist who hated all the kids in the school. When your city employees are only interested in what they can extract from a city they don't live in, you don't give them a say in the budget.


Doesn't it smack you of "taxation without representation?" While I agree that non-residents can't (or, shouldn't) directly affect local politics, I do find it more than a little ironic to feign some indignation at non-residents for wanting to more say (or, visibility) into local spending when the city (and, its residents) are more than willing and happy to take the money of non-residents to help pay for local matters.

It reminds me of the proverbial free loader whose family will help finance his expenses, but who gets upset when someone questions his lifestyle and choices. Talk about chutzpah, really.


It's not proverbial; JC is one of the worst freeloader around. Period. Want outsiders to butt out? No problem, just relinquish the state of the almost $500mm they give a year for these failing schools, and you won't hear a peep from the outsiders. Until then, JC is the equivalent of living in moms basement.

Posted on: 6/3 20:57
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Does this mean that if you're a resident of JC you would be untaxed on the 1%, while JC workers from other towns have to pay it?


Sounds like yes, unless JC decides to tax it's residents too. So...NYC does it, Newark does it, will the world end if we do it too rather than raise the rate 25%? Obviously this is a component of how NYC keeps it's residential property taxes so low.

I'd rather see school cost reformed, but that ain't going to happen, we're talking seriously entrenched interests. And BTW, a lot of those so interested city employees don't even live here, same as you don't.


Why the last, snarky remark? Monroe, and non JC residents like him, quite frankly, have just as much skin in the game with JC as residents do. I'd argue non JC residents have more interest given they fund the majority of JC's school budget. I'm sure they'd like to understand what they're paying for, and they probably don't want to pay it anymore. To exempt JC residents from this, given that it exists to fund JC expenses, is ludicrous.

Posted on: 6/3 18:40
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Re: This county is booming, but most Shore areas haven't recovered their mojo.
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Yay JC! Start paying a comparable property tax rate! Start paying for your own schools!! LOL.

Posted on: 6/3 17:38
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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With the amount of wealth in Jersey City now there should be no way that we aren't funding our own way in such matters. But with a mayor that is so proud whenever Jersey City expands services without having its residents pay for it self funding is very difficult.


Bingo. Absolute bingo.

Posted on: 6/3 13:24
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Bodhi and stateaidguy nailed it, and do so with facts, logic and reason. So far, all of the counter arguments I've seen it are based in emotion and "what about me?" Hyperbole and fear.

I think things are finally moving in the right direction, but still have a long way to go. I agree the the payroll tax is a bad solution (for small businesses) that will continue to spur bad behavior, and is indicative of the city unwilling to face reality. A reality that has a mayor boasting ad nauseum about the rise of JC and successes in JC, but denial that it's on the backs of not only the poorer parts of JC, but the state as a whole.

People around the rest of JC and the state are starting to get a whiff of what's happening, and they strongly dislike the smell.

Posted on: 6/3 12:13
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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And then you can be real cynical... and wonder if Sweeney is sticking it to Fulop to make sure the Jersey City Miracle flounders and kills Fulop's statewide political aspirations.


To be fair, that idea and the idea it's the right thing to do are not mutually exclusive.

Posted on: 6/2 16:40
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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LOL paying $40k on a rate of 1.62% means a valuation of $2.5mm. Take that $2.5mm property and pay the average state tax rate (I forget the exact, but spot it at 2.23% to be generous) and you'd pay $55061. So, yes, that person is getting a STEAL of a deal.

LMAO, Yvonne, you are a funny one. I'll give it to you though; at least you're consistently hilarious.

I agree with Yvonne, it's not about the rate it's the absurd assessment that hurts, although we here in the Heights section have been over charged for years now.


It's not absurd if someone is willing to pay it. And currently, there are many people willing to pay it.

Posted on: 6/1 21:06
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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LOL paying $40k on a rate of 1.62% means a valuation of $2.5mm. Take that $2.5mm property and pay the average state tax rate (I forget the exact, but spot it at 2.23% to be generous) and you'd pay $55061. So, yes, that person is getting a STEAL of a deal.

LMAO, Yvonne, you are a funny one. I'll give it to you though; at least you're consistently hilarious.

Posted on: 6/1 15:44
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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And now I read the post reval rate may be closer to 1.4%. Hahaha the party and free ride is most certainly over!!


Where did you see the 1.4% rate?


One of the local civic blogs. I can't remember which.

Posted on: 6/1 11:34
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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I'm really debating whether Yvonne is really this obtuse or if it's an act.

Either way. The party is over, dear.

Posted on: 6/1 7:41
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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And now I read the post reval rate may be closer to 1.4%. Hahaha the party and free ride is most certainly over!!

Posted on: 5/31 23:08
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Re: Hoboken - contesting a ticket advice
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I can tell you it's worth fighting. Yes, you pay up front, but they literally reclassify the ticket. I paid a lawyer (I believe Jean Baptiste was his name), who got me out of a big ticket, from 4 points to no points, and no hit to insurance. It's definitely worth it, because insurance premium raises are for years. This is a one time whack that's worth it. Good luck! Damn the man; save the empire.

Posted on: 5/30 15:44
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Yes because when the rest of state funds most of JC's education budget, you morons don't realize that the more you cry about your absurdly low tax rate, the more the state is going to look at it and say "heeeeey wait a minute, why are we still paying for their shitty schools?" It can only go up from here so enjoy the relatively free ride while it lasts. The tax rate, under that circumstance, will continue to be discussed as nauseum until you people get it and STFU about your taxes going up from the reval.

Posted on: 5/23 23:17
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Parkman, I'm with you. I have an 82 year old friend who, with his wife, bought a home in 1968, raised their kids & became a beloved neighbor to many. The house never had a major updating, it was their home with no thought to it becoming a goldmine. He doesn't want to sell ... it's his home, his neighborhood. A home is an emotional thing, sentimental, not always a money-maker as some see it. I realize that this doesn't mesh with today's reality but I just wanted to throw in my two cents.


Way to go Sara. That sounds like Jersey City heart you're speaking with; something that seems to be in short supply amongst the money changers on this forum. It's about home not bucks all the time.


Except that feel good sentiments like this don't exist in the real world. Again, and again, and again...every day that poor senior downtown, sitting on a million dollar plus valuation, is delaying their FAIR increase, actual poorer folks are over paying (I'm generalizing - yes, not everyone getting a decrease is poor. It's a relative point). Can you really sit there and tell me that someone who can sell their place today for over a million bucks NET should get an extension over the person in Greenville or BL who lives paycheck to paycheck barely making ends meet? Because I can guarantee you there are more of the latter than the former. And the reval will provide relief to far more people than will be hurt by it. That's a fact.

It's easy to say it's not about the bucks when you've been getting a deep discount on the backs of so many for so long. Funny how a largely democrat population, sanctuary city and all that nonsense, recoils when it's time to pay their FAIR share (spare me. I know not every person affected is a democrat. And no I'm not a republican).

Posted on: 5/23 20:36
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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The timing couldn't have been worse - most properties were reassessed at the height of the market


This argument shows a lack of understanding about the revaluation and property taxes. Whether it had been at the height of the market, or bottom, it doesn't matter. If the market had been lower, then the property tax rate would have been higher.

The city needed collect X amount of money.

X = (total value of market) * (tax rate)

If (total value of market) is lower, then (tax rate) has to go up, as X is constant in a revaluation.

The only thing that would make a difference is how different areas stack or compare against each other. The almost four year delay in the reval actually helped DTJC, as that period saw an accelerated increase in valuation in areas outside of DTJC, which translated into properties outside of DTJC getting relative higher levies than they would have 5 years ago.

In any case, the timing matters little. The reval was overdue, and DTJC was in for a HUGE increase regardless of when the reval had been completed. Those who claim the timing was terrible because it is a high market don't understand the issue clearly.



No I completely understand the market - DTJC assessed at the highest values ever with no regard for corresponding drop in market value after taxes double and no guidance moving forward.

Yes it was way overdue and definitely not fair for residents in other words to overpay for years, but also not fair to saddle downtown with absurdly high taxes with no clear plan to reassess more regularly in the future.


They're not "absurdly high taxes"; they're exactly the taxes one should pay for a residence in a particular market. Also, at a rate of 1.62% is still one of the lowest tax RATES in the entire state. Try paying 2.3% or whatever the state average is, on these valuations, then I'd say whoa. But again, there are options: reverse mortgages, the senior freeze, etc.

Posted on: 5/23 12:13
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Re: Fulop/wife pay cash for Rhode Island home
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Cash deal eh? So thaaaaaats where all that PAC money went...

Posted on: 5/21 20:43
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Re: May 18-20: Stans Square Records final clearance
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Do you have any 78's?

Posted on: 5/17 13:04
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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5) People who were fueling the fire and hoping this would be the mayor's downfall have their mouths agape at how well it worked out.


See?


Yeah that's a good spin. The people paying attention know it took real adults to clear this up. Not a childlike mayor who engaged in a trumpian twitter war and finally showed everyone who he really is (those in the know already know what he's like behind closed doors; just refreshing you all got to see a glimpse of it).

He will never move past being mayor. But yeah, keep eating what he's feeding you and asking for more.

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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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2018 assessments are posted on the NJ website. Vacant land was missing from the previous lists. As I expected look low from the ones I checked downtown.

239 Montgomery: Assessed at 375k but the neighboring property the same size has a land assessment of 765k

63 Mercer: Sold in 2016 for 3mm but assessed at 774k

208 Columbus: Sold in 2015 for 1.45mm but assessed at 727k

131 Morgan: Sold in 2016 for 1.98mm but assessed at 775k


I've been saying for a while the land valuations were going to be a mess. Clearly they don't use comps for empty land and they use an ass-backwards subtractive system for developed land.

I had thought that since abatements are not on the land, just on the improvements, that we would see tax increases from abated properties. Solomon said no that's not the way it works. Funny, huh?


I hate to ever entertain, or partake in, conspiracy theories, but given the history of shenanigans related to this reval, and the powerful vested interests, one can’t help wonder if this botched implementation is perhaps a way to further delay the implementation of the reval results.

Too Machiavellian??


In Fulops world, it can never be too Machiavellian.

Posted on: 5/12 8:50
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