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Re: Citi Bike
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LOL, the little Manhattan that couldn't.

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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Ok I'll bite. So why do you own a lot that you can't build on?

Posted on: 4/22 8:58
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Re: JC Public Schools is short $70 million
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Ok so it’s clear you have some objections to the study. And I was misinformed in thinking some of edlaw researchers were related to Rutgers. Also if they are funded by JCEA I agree there is probably some bias there. But I looked on your blog and see no disclosure of your name/identity. I think that it would be powerful to disclose this information so we can see what your potential agenda/bias may be. Especially if you are accusing others...


Stateaids identity doesn't matter; the data does. If I were stateaid I'd stay anonymous, especially in NJ. Stop focusing on the wrong thing.

Posted on: 4/2 18:38
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Re: Kind of makes you wonder about the taxes you pay.
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Yay!! Monroe actually gets it!

Posted on: 4/1 12:16
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Re: JC Public Schools is short $70 million
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Monroe wrote:
Yes, you can agree to having your taxes raised to cover the difference.


I will. I strongly believe in paying my fair share of taxes if it helps strengthen the community.

But does anyone have any idea of how to voice my opinion to anyone who can make a difference? Who can I contact? I can't believe that they would be so unwilling to put it to a city vote to raise taxes by more than the 2% to make up the shortfall. Why not at least give us a chance to vote whether we'd be willing to pay for our teachers to stay employed or not?


Because our fearless leader Fulop has a streak of not raising taxes he needs to keep, because, you know, elections.

Posted on: 3/31 9:19
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Re: Kind of makes you wonder about the taxes you pay.
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I was only trying to make a point about quality of life issues when it comes to comparisons. Those who have a vested interest in JC as landlords or investors most probably could care less about traffic, filth, corruption etc. What about those who choose to raise families in JC? Are they getting a fair return on the taxes or rents they pay?


Considering, again, they're paying one of the lowest tax RATES in the entire state, if ssy 100% they're trying the best deal around.

Just pray for your sake the suburban taxpayers don't start asking the same question....

Posted on: 3/30 10:41
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Re: N.J. city shuts down burlesque show, citing obscenity laws
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Would you really want to see Lillian Bustle naked? Seems like city attorneys are doing us a favor. ;)



you are a disgusting trash bag and an Idiot. So uncalled for.


My god you people are overly sensitive. She's a big girl and it's a very niche crowd who would want to see her strip down.

And, it was a pretty light joke (and this story is just ASKING for jokes). Trust me, I and others can probably do way worse.

Posted on: 3/30 8:18
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Re: Kind of makes you wonder about the taxes you pay.
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What amazes me is that in a number of these suburban towns homeowners are living pretty nice lives in individual homes and payimg taxes in the same amount in some cases as people in JC who are crammed into condos and living with some horrible quality of life situations. For what?-proximity to NYC? It's outrageous.
Doesn't make sense.


That's not entirely accurate. The new estimated rate in JC is 1.62%, which is one of the lowest in the state. The rest of the state pays between 2.5-3% (I forget the exact average number, but it's well above 2%, so don't quote me)

Even post reval, JC is getting quite a deal on the backs of the rest of the state.

Posted on: 3/29 10:17
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Re: New Jersey Prepares To Raise Taxes On "Almost Everything" As It Nears Financial Disaster
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The mental gymnastics you guys go through to try and make it seem like you aren’t being conned- adorable!


....would those mental gymnastics be similar or worse than what you had to do to vote the Jack O Lantern, Murphy?

Asking for a friend...

He was not my pick for the primaries but you trying to imply someone who worked for literally the most unpopular governor ever as being a better choice....kinda just does the work for me...

Thanks buddy!


Yes. Worked FOR the governor. Isn't THE governor. Many people worked FOR the governor who aren't like the governor. Are you a clone of your boss? It's idiotic thinking like this that will have us crying at the end of this term.


Lol she was his running mate and endorsed by him for the last election...so yeah. You hang around enough trash you start to stink...which is why Trump’s White House is a revolving door and each person entering is more incompetent, corrupt, and unqualified than the last.

::waits for exasperated explanation that the White House doesn’t have a real revolving door::


That's your response? Really? Phew. Thought I'd have something substantial to reply to but I can clearly end here.

RE: trumps revolving door. Didn't vote for him, don't like him, and don't care. Not relevant to this discussion.

Posted on: 3/21 15:55
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Re: New Jersey Prepares To Raise Taxes On "Almost Everything" As It Nears Financial Disaster
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The mental gymnastics you guys go through to try and make it seem like you aren’t being conned- adorable!


....would those mental gymnastics be similar or worse than what you had to do to vote the Jack O Lantern, Murphy?

Asking for a friend...

He was not my pick for the primaries but you trying to imply someone who worked for literally the most unpopular governor ever as being a better choice....kinda just does the work for me...

Thanks buddy!


Yes. Worked FOR the governor. Isn't THE governor. Many people worked FOR the governor who aren't like the governor. Are you a clone of your boss? It's idiotic thinking like this that will have us crying at the end of this term.

Posted on: 3/20 17:57
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Re: New Jersey Prepares To Raise Taxes On "Almost Everything" As It Nears Financial Disaster
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The mental gymnastics you guys go through to try and make it seem like you aren’t being conned- adorable!


....would those mental gymnastics be similar or worse than what you had to do to vote the Jack O Lantern, Murphy?

Asking for a friend...

Posted on: 3/20 16:02
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Re: 485 Marin
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https://ny.curbed.com/2018/3/19/171393 ... ent-485-marin-launch-date

I wish this was never built. It's ugly. Will every tenant get free parking? If not, our Hamilton Park streets are doomed.


This picture made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Posted on: 3/20 14:01
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Re: New Jersey Prepares To Raise Taxes On "Almost Everything" As It Nears Financial Disaster
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By all means, please keep pushing for $15/hr wages tony. I don't like dealing with minimum wage folks anyway, and that "fight for $15" garbage is the fast track to automated service led by robots. Couldn't come quick enough.

Posted on: 3/19 0:44
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Re: New Jersey Prepares To Raise Taxes On "Almost Everything" As It Nears Financial Disaster
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Tony, you're unaware that 80% of taxpayers are keeping more of their money? !


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Biggest lie ever. Yeah I noticed some paycheck increase but guess what it is temporary unlike corporate cuts. Combined loca/state tax + property tax deduction is reduced to 10K. I pay 13K on property taxes alone and there goes my state tax deductions. Did the math and will end up paying more than pay check increase at the end of the year. They put into my one pocket some and take out more from the other. Ohh they rigged it nicely for the high earners to reduce their top tax bracket to offset the loss of their deductions.


You do realize your property tax is levied by the state, right?? So "they" aren't the same. The federal government gives money back into one pocket, while your state rapes your other pocket. And unfortunately the $10k cap clearly hasn't changed behavior at the state level because Murphy is going to spend like no one has ever seen before. But, like all you simple folks love saying "at least he's no Christie!" Riiiiiiiight....let's see how that works out in 4 years.

Posted on: 3/18 5:47
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Re: New Jersey Prepares To Raise Taxes On "Almost Everything" As It Nears Financial Disaster
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It may be a problem for liberal states, but it's not a problem for this liberal mind. I'd rather be known for higher taxes than watching people suffer all over the place with low education, no or poor food, crumbling infrastructure, and kicking the financial obligations down the road.


But, but...isnt NJ both of those things you described?? High taxes and all the negatives? That's our whole point. With taxes as high as ours, toll booths should be gold plated for crying out loud. We're taxed as high as we are with almost nothing to show for it.

Posted on: 3/14 7:16
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Fair point, Bodhi. And your estimate is a fair compromise with the state.

Posted on: 3/13 8:58
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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But that doesn't fit the narrative spread by Yvonne and others that the city loses money with tax abatements. In this case, the city is getting A LOT more than they would if there was no abatement. Not just in total taxes, but since the city doesn't have to split with PILOT payments with Hudson County and the School Board.

What's the breakdown anyway? Most of the property taxes goes to the school board, right?


My understanding is that when it comes to regular property taxes in JC, the breakdown is about 50% city, 25% school, 25% county. Not sure if those numbers are 100% accurate.

As for abatements, 95% city, 5% county.


As yes, the reality of taxation in JC is SOOOOO different from what most people think, partly based on ignorance, and part on the lies and myths spread by people like Yvonne.

The city would lose a TON of money if the abatements were magically done away with overnight. They would have to raise taxes tremendously to make up the shortfall. At about ~128 MM/year, PILOTs account for about 36% of tax revenue. That means those abated properties are collectively paying ~135 MM/year. To collect the same amount of money (128 MM) the city would need to collect almost 260 MM, and that would be spread across all homeowners. Talk about tax hit. People should be wary of wanting to do away with all abatements.


Now imagine JC had to pay for its own schools! That would be a roughly $500mm hit to non abated properties. Heaven forbid that gives JC a property tax rate closer to the rest of the state!

That's the whole crux here; granting of abatements relies entirely on the fact that this state funding never goes away. That's a massive risk the mayor and council are taking (previous and current. And probably future). But, like with the reval, that will be someone elses problem down the road.

Posted on: 3/13 8:12
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Your tax bill went up? Well cry me a river. Life ain't fare. No one cares.


Yes, except the reval is actually the epitome of fairness. They're upset that everything is fair now lol. [/quot

It's fair until values fall. Jeez. How hard is that to grasp?



How hard is it for you to grasp the poorer 5/6ths of the city overpaid for DECADES? Yes, values will tick down, but it will be temporary. It's customary for a reval to happen every 5-10 years. Adding another reval next year will only add cost to the city, give incrimental relief to downtown, and serves only to preserve votes downtown. Steve is out of his element this time, and in a panic to save his political future.

Posted on: 3/6 15:18
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Holy crap, that is eerie! Down to the same repetitive nonsense from Yvonne! If you took away the dates and updated the numbers, it's a carbon copy of today. And funny how the city didn't learn to do them regularly, even back then.

Posted on: 3/6 11:02
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Re: tax reval result on a Google Map
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This reval firm looks like they fucked up. SF homes are undervalued and condos are overvalued.

They're grossly underestimating the value of land.


I've been saying the land thing is going to explode. You can't have land >60% of value and then have it inconsistently valued. I believe they left it off the spreadsheet deliberately for this reason.


The proposed second reval could be a way to save face if the land value thing turns into a disaster. I still think a second reval a year from now could play out bad for DTJC. Unless, of course, they predetermine the end result. Not a crazy thought given our sordid history in JC.


You nailed it. Steve doesn't do anything without calculating it ahead of time (it's the Goldman banker in him).

Well, exept for that whole "move the election to increase turnout" thing. I can't remember the numbers, but didn't turnout go down slightly in this last November election?

Posted on: 2/28 16:43
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Simple solution.
Sell your million dollar house Downtown and buy in Greenville.



Isn't that the place where steve originally lost the bidding war for his home here? Must be a hot market LOL. I would love to see the documentation on that whole debacle. #promisebroken

Posted on: 2/28 8:56
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Re: tax reval result on a Google Map
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http://www.jiemengjourney.com/jersey-city-tax-reval

Even though the data released is still incomplete, it's quite obvious that downtown property tax will all go up, Bergen-Lafayette mostly go down, journal square is kind of half half.



It's like a piece of art. I want to order a print and frame it! LOL

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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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But bodhi, the ratables!!!! Hahahaha

Posted on: 2/27 9:04
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Your tax bill went up? Well cry me a river. Life ain't fare. No one cares.


Yes, except the reval is actually the epitome of fairness. They're upset that everything is fair now lol.

Posted on: 2/27 7:56
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Jesus Christ, it's like talking to a wall. You just don't get it. I try to stay respectful, but you make it very, very difficult.

Have you watched Westworld? She actually sounds just like a robot "host", caught in her endless loop and when presented with evidence from outside the "park" (in her mind ) simply replies "that doesn't look like anything to me".

Oh God, now I'm picturing Yvonne sidling up to a cowpoke at the bar and saying "You must be new, not much of a rind on you".


Nailed it.

Posted on: 2/26 16:12
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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It is amazing how the truth creates this reaction, however, it is not my truth, but the truth from the Hudson County Tax Board. I do not create the numbers on the ratable base, they do. The board is waiting for the numbers to be file and expects to get the complete list in maybe six weeks. I stand by what I said until the Hudson County Tax Boards says something different.


Jesus Christ, it's like talking to a wall. You just don't get it. I try to stay respectful, but you make it very, very difficult.

Posted on: 2/26 15:48
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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I just called up the county tax assessor and asked for the tax abated ratables which is not part of the $28 billion from the new reval. He agreed with me those tax abatements are not included but he does not have those numbers until the papers are filed. I am guessing that protected tax abated ratable base is around $10 billion, but it is only a guess since some do expire and new ones are added each year. Just to think, if those abatements were ratables, then everyone taxes would be lowered. But let's ignore the truth as usual.



Let's assume, for argument's sake, that you are right (a huge leap of faith, given your proven history of incorrect assertions) and let's assume that abated properties in JC amount to $10 billion. The taxes on that, based on 1.62%, would be $162 MM. About half of that would go to the city, so 81 MM. Now, let's look at the *data* (freely available online, but here is a link to the 2016 budget: https://public.tableau.com/profile/jer ... 11-2016/2016TotalRevenues) and we easily find out that (surprise!) PILOTs contribute ~128 MM to the city budget. Wow. Those evil interlopers are getting a free ride and the city is doing worse because they are paying an extra 47 MM to the city coffers. Wait. What? The city is better off because PILOTs are contributing an extra $47 MM to the budget than they would otherwise? That's crazy...

Put simply, the data once again shows you are full of it. The city is doing just fine with abatements. In fact, if you could magically waive a wand and do away with all abatements today, and moved everyone to regular taxes, the city would have to find almost $50 MM somewhere to plug the hole left behind from the difference in tax revenue. Stop spreading falsehoods.


The only flaw here is if anything changed with Abbott funding. Then the city would be up the creek.

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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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And again, if you're complaining about paying 1.62%, you truly have lost your mind. Considering the state picks up most of the $700mm school budget, for awful and failing schools, you have nothing to complain about.

Question for the group, how many total actual properties are in JC in this reval? Divide that by $500mm or so, and then tell me 1.62% is too high. I didn't think so.

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Yvonne, you keep talking about the ratables not realizing you're defeating your own argument. As pointed out right after, the ratables lay more towards the city than non ratables on a percentage basis. Since PILOTS pay nothing for schools, and the schools are subsidized heavily by the state, one could argue PILOTS aren't the problem.

Market appreciation is the fundamental reasons your house rich friends are paying higher, but finally appropriate, taxes on their million dollar plus homes. Yes they got sweetheart deals but we are here now. Again, you keep crying wolf on them saying they're losing their homes, which makes YOU part of their problem. There are options. If they anyone loses their home, they're either too stupid, or too lazy to seek out these options.

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Yvonne wrote:
I just called up the county tax assessor and asked for the tax abated ratables which is not part of the $28 billion from the new reval. He agreed with me those tax abatements are not included but he does not have those numbers until the papers are filed. I am guessing that protected tax abated ratable base is around $10 billion, but it is only a guess since some do expire and new ones are added each year. Just to think, if those abatements were ratables, then everyone taxes would be lowered. But let's ignore the truth as usual.


I know I just said I'd stop trying to explain, but here I am. Yvonne, respectfully, no one is arguiing the points you're making about the impact of abatements, but they're not relevant to this discussion. At 1.62%, that's one of, if not the, lowest rate in the entire STATE. I fyou're friends are sitting on multi million dollar properties, they're not poor, and as mentioned before, need to consult a banker to access that equity and pay the taxes.

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