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Maybe you're missing the point of what I was getting at, which is that at least to me, and I'm sure a lot of people that would prefer organic food, is less about the fright that I might get some chicken or vegetable that has been tainted by a chemical pesticide or antibiotics, and more about supporting practices that avoid that. It's about making positive changes to farming and business practices that will hopefully as time moves on lead to less copious use of pesticides and other things that are harmful in the long run both to our bodies, to animals, the produce we eat, to the bees that pollinate our crops, to the watersheds that we drink from and where fish live, to all sorts of things.

I personally am less concerned with the remnants of things that might make it into my body, and more concerned with the long term effects of farming practices on the world we live in.


Same theory goes to stuff like cigarette smoking. I'm sure I can't avoid inhaling some cigarette smoke here and there, or some noxious fumes from buses or cars, but that doesn't mean I should give up and just inhale the stuff all the time. I'd prefer to work towards making the air around me cleaner through long-term goals.


That is your opinion. I do not believe it is widely shared. Hell, even jcguy05 doesn't agree.

I think the primary reason why people choose organic food is due to the misperception that it is somehow healthier or contains less chemicals that will poison you, NOT for its impact on the environment.

Rather, the environmental concern is a secondary or tertiary reason why one may choose organic, but it is rare for it to be the primary reason, as it is for you. And my point is most peoples' primary reason is simply not true.

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Maybe you're missing the point of what I was getting at, which is that at least to me, and I'm sure a lot of people that would prefer organic food, is less about the fright that I might get some chicken or vegetable that has been tainted by a chemical pesticide or antibiotics, and more about supporting practices that avoid that. It's about making positive changes to farming and business practices that will hopefully as time moves on lead to less copious use of pesticides and other things that are harmful in the long run both to our bodies, to animals, the produce we eat, to the bees that pollinate our crops, to the watersheds that we drink from and where fish live, to all sorts of things.

I personally am less concerned with the remnants of things that might make it into my body, and more concerned with the long term effects of farming practices on the world we live in.


Same theory goes to stuff like cigarette smoking. I'm sure I can't avoid inhaling some cigarette smoke here and there, or some noxious fumes from buses or cars, but that doesn't mean I should give up and just inhale the stuff all the time. I'd prefer to work towards making the air around me cleaner through long-term goals.

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lol unless "organic" food are made in a vacuum they aren't going to be "chemical free", whatever that means. I've worked on a farm before and when they sprayed the shit blew everywhere including into the "organic farm" next door.

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"Organic" is a meaningless buzz word. About the only thing it means is you will be paying a lot more.


It is far from a buzz word, it has very strict standards to be certified as organic at least in the US (usda). Veggies/fruits must be grown on soils not containing the banned chemicals for at least 3 years. Animals has also strict food and movement requirements, cows/beef for example can only be usda organic if previous 2 generations are raised as organic, on top of the current one that is being certified. Not to mention no gmo.

You are what you eat, and it makes a big difference over time. In other countries like china organic doesnt mean as much because the standard is very loose and it's a buzzword. Not in the US.


Sorry, the term "organic" is largely a buzz word in the U.S.

"Many consumers who "fork over a little more" believe that the foods themselves are more nutritious, safer, and tastier. But the USDA proposal itself noted that, "No distinctions should be made between organically and non-organically produced products in terms of quality, appearance, or safety." In other words, no claim should be made that the foods themselves are better?or even different!"

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/organic.html

Also, I challenge you to find any chains which serve "organic" meat.

Like I said, people are going to "healthy" Chipolte and getting E. coli, while I've never heard of this happening at a Chik Fil A.
I think the desire to eat organic foods for many people derives from their opposition to the chemicals that get sprayed all over non-organic foods. Not necessarily because they think it will poison them, but because it ends up poisoning waterways, the earth, leads to less healthy crops in the long run, kills bees, and lines the pockets of scumbags like Monsanto. All of this is pretty well documented.

Same thing with antibiotics. It's not that I'm concerned about those antibiotics somehow harming me, but overuse of antibiotics leads to resistant bacteria, which breed stronger and stronger bacteria which can become harmful to humans and other creatures.


Yes, it's not so much the food is better/more nutritious or not. It's the chemicals, antibiotics, hormones etc.. that are injected or laced on it you consume along with non-organic food. It wont instantly make you sick, but you consume them for the next 30 years and it will have an adverse effect on you. Environmental is an added benefit as well.

The way things are produced now, everything is pretty much chemical engineered and lab-driven to get it done cheapest and fastest. No matter if they are animals or veggies/fruits. I know a friend who's a third generation butcher and deals directly with those animals also. And the process to be certified as usda organic on the beef is strict.

Besides it's not like i am mortgaging my house to buy organic, or without it i will die. But if it's available and you pay just slightly more to avoid ingesting all those chemicals and nasty stuff that's on the food or ingested by the animals before they are killed. To me that's a small price to pay.

Anyway to each of its own.

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it has very strict standards to be certified as organic at least in the US (usda)


I think we would all be surprised at how much Big Food interests are chipping away at the Govt definition of "organic"...

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"Organic" is a meaningless buzz word. About the only thing it means is you will be paying a lot more.


It is far from a buzz word, it has very strict standards to be certified as organic at least in the US (usda). Veggies/fruits must be grown on soils not containing the banned chemicals for at least 3 years. Animals has also strict food and movement requirements, cows/beef for example can only be usda organic if previous 2 generations are raised as organic, on top of the current one that is being certified. Not to mention no gmo.

You are what you eat, and it makes a big difference over time. In other countries like china organic doesnt mean as much because the standard is very loose and it's a buzzword. Not in the US.


Sorry, the term "organic" is largely a buzz word in the U.S.

"Many consumers who "fork over a little more" believe that the foods themselves are more nutritious, safer, and tastier. But the USDA proposal itself noted that, "No distinctions should be made between organically and non-organically produced products in terms of quality, appearance, or safety." In other words, no claim should be made that the foods themselves are better?or even different!"

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/organic.html

Also, I challenge you to find any chains which serve "organic" meat.

Like I said, people are going to "healthy" Chipolte and getting E. coli, while I've never heard of this happening at a Chik Fil A.
I think the desire to eat organic foods for many people derives from their opposition to the chemicals that get sprayed all over non-organic foods. Not necessarily because they think it will poison them, but because it ends up poisoning waterways, the earth, leads to less healthy crops in the long run, kills bees, and lines the pockets of scumbags like Monsanto. All of this is pretty well documented.

Same thing with antibiotics. It's not that I'm concerned about those antibiotics somehow harming me, but overuse of antibiotics leads to resistant bacteria, which breed stronger and stronger bacteria which can become harmful to humans and other creatures.

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There was no line in the evening. They used a foil lined bag to hold the chicken sandwich. The chicken meat is thick and moist. The fries are waffle fries. They give you Heinz? Dip & Squeeze? Ketchup.

I thought I had a chicken sandwich that had coleslaw in it decades ago in Florida. Does anyone remember such a sandwich? Who sold them?

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Organic is definitely bullshit.

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"Organic" is a meaningless buzz word. About the only thing it means is you will be paying a lot more.


It is far from a buzz word, it has very strict standards to be certified as organic at least in the US (usda). Veggies/fruits must be grown on soils not containing the banned chemicals for at least 3 years. Animals has also strict food and movement requirements, cows/beef for example can only be usda organic if previous 2 generations are raised as organic, on top of the current one that is being certified. Not to mention no gmo.

You are what you eat, and it makes a big difference over time. In other countries like china organic doesnt mean as much because the standard is very loose and it's a buzzword. Not in the US.


Sorry, the term "organic" is largely a buzz word in the U.S.

"Many consumers who "fork over a little more" believe that the foods themselves are more nutritious, safer, and tastier. But the USDA proposal itself noted that, "No distinctions should be made between organically and non-organically produced products in terms of quality, appearance, or safety." In other words, no claim should be made that the foods themselves are better?or even different!"

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/organic.html

Also, I challenge you to find any chains which serve "organic" meat.

Like I said, people are going to "healthy" Chipolte and getting E. coli, while I've never heard of this happening at a Chik Fil A.

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"Organic" is a meaningless buzz word. About the only thing it means is you will be paying a lot more.


It is far from a buzz word, it has very strict standards to be certified as organic at least in the US (usda). Veggies/fruits must be grown on soils not containing the banned chemicals for at least 3 years. Animals has also strict food and movement requirements, cows/beef for example can only be usda organic if previous 2 generations are raised as organic, on top of the current one that is being certified. Not to mention no gmo.

You are what you eat, and it makes a big difference over time. In other countries like china organic doesnt mean as much because the standard is very loose and it's a buzzword. Not in the US.

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was going to try it for lunch today, but the line was so long you think they are giving out free lobsters.

no thanks, it's just fried chicken people...geez.

I even checked their website and after all the marketing bs, the quality of chicken they use arent any better than the lab monsters we normally have at supermarkets. They dont guarantee anything and forget about organic. At least cosi guarantees their chicken to be antibiotic free.


"Organic" is a meaningless buzz word. About the only thing it means is you will be paying a lot more.

Chipotle loves to brag about its sustainable and "ethical" meat practices, yet look how they get outbreaks of various deadly diseases.

If you try the food at Chik Fil A, you will see why they are so popular.

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was going to try it for lunch today, but the line was so long you think they are giving out free lobsters.

no thanks, it's just fried chicken people...geez.

I even checked their website and after all the marketing bs, the quality of chicken they use arent any better than the lab monsters we normally have at supermarkets. They dont guarantee anything and forget about organic. At least cosi guarantees their chicken to be antibiotic free.

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When it comes to camping out for free food promotion, they're no chickens (PHOTOS)

By Caitlin Mota | The Jersey Journal
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JERSEY CITY -- These people must really love their chicken.

Nearly 100 people braved the cold last night to camp out for their chance to win free Chick-fil-A for a year.

At 9 p.m. last night, at least 70 people had already lined up for the promotion to celebrate today's grand opening at Newport Center mall in Downtown Jersey City.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... g_of_je.html#incart_river


Take a look at that crowd. Very diverse group of people. Maybe Chik Fil A can host some events celebrating JC's diversity. They'll certainly have an appropriate audience.


The funniest thing is that all those people camped out all night, but some dude showed up at 8:30 AM and still made it into the "first 100".

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Our lifespan is largely based on genetics. That doesn't mean we cannot harm our lifespan by smoking and other practices. Last month the Jersey Journal ran an article about a black woman who is over 100 years old. She still eats 4 slices of bacon every day plus eggs. She comes from a great genetic pool.


Why point out the 100-year old's race?

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Nearly 100 people braved the cold last night to camp out for their chance to win free Chick-fil-A for a year.

At 9 p.m. last night, at least 70 people had already lined up for the promotion to celebrate today's grand opening at Newport Center mall in Downtown Jersey City.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... g_of_je.html#incart_river


Take a look at that crowd. Very diverse group of people. Maybe Chik Fil A can host some events celebrating JC's diversity. They'll certainly have an appropriate audience.

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When it comes to camping out for free food promotion, they're no chickens (PHOTOS)

By Caitlin Mota | The Jersey Journal
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JERSEY CITY -- These people must really love their chicken.

Nearly 100 people braved the cold last night to camp out for their chance to win free Chick-fil-A for a year.

At 9 p.m. last night, at least 70 people had already lined up for the promotion to celebrate today's grand opening at Newport Center mall in Downtown Jersey City.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... g_of_je.html#incart_river

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is this true for the newport mall location? i thought the mall has strict requirements that all stores remain open during mall hours, as part of the contract the stores sign when they rent the space.

The fast food court space in the mall is highly desirable and there is certainly no shortage of chains wanting to move in, so i doubt the mall will agree to let chicken fill a close on sundays?


That speaks to the extraordinary quality of their food and how they run their business. Despite being closed one day of the week, they are still so successful that they keep expanding left and right.

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Chick Fil A is always closed on Sunday, it was the founder's philosophy. He wanted employees to have the opportunity to go to church, if it was their wish.


is this true for the newport mall location? i thought the mall has strict requirements that all stores remain open during mall hours, as part of the contract the stores sign when they rent the space.

The fast food court space in the mall is highly desirable and there is certainly no shortage of chains wanting to move in, so i doubt the mall will agree to let chicken fill a close on sundays?


Yes, this will be the case for the Newport Centre location. It doesn't matter if other places would remain open, or if the space is desirable. If the mall wanted them to come in, they would have had to be willing to go with that caveat. Besides, what difference does it make if they close or not on Sundays? They are still paying whatever rent was negotiated for the space they will be occupying.

Here is their official statement on the Sunday policy: http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Company/Highlights-Sunday


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Chick Fil A is always closed on Sunday, it was the founder's philosophy. He wanted employees to have the opportunity to go to church, if it was their wish.


is this true for the newport mall location? i thought the mall has strict requirements that all stores remain open during mall hours, as part of the contract the stores sign when they rent the space.

The fast food court space in the mall is highly desirable and there is certainly no shortage of chains wanting to move in, so i doubt the mall will agree to let chicken fill a close on sundays?

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Chick-fil-A are already building out a second Manhattan location, with more expansion to follow.

http://inside.chick-fil-a.com/new-yor ... e-chick-fil-a-restaurant/

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the correct business title is Boston Market, and i agree 100%. they have very good pastries.

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That's Boston Chicken and the one in Hoboken sadly closed long ago.

JC could use one and it would rock.


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If I didn't want to eat in the mall on a sunday i'd go to Bergen county. This not opening on sunday crap shouldn't fly this close to NYC.


lots of Italian deli's in JC/Hoboken do the same thing. Plus, the chick fil a store in NYC does it as someone just mentioned above.

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Hey, I sort of agree with Yvonne here, if they want to close whenever, it's their store. I've been amazed at certain deli's that close at 3. But if it works for them, great. What I am utterly opposed to is the kind of blue laws that Bergen has, imposing churchgoing morality on everyone. There's a large Orthodox Jewish community there who won't shop on their Sabbath, and can't shop on Sunday. And for the record, I'm opposed to the similar laws in Israel.


I think there reason for the blue laws now is to reduce traffic on Sundays, not for church going morality (though that was the original intent), but I agree they're stupid. Though if I lived there maybe I wouldn't want the traffic either.

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Hey, I sort of agree with Yvonne here, if they want to close whenever, it's their store. I've been amazed at certain deli's that close at 3. But if it works for them, great. What I am utterly opposed to is the kind of blue laws that Bergen has, imposing churchgoing morality on everyone. There's a large Orthodox Jewish community there who won't shop on their Sabbath, and can't shop on Sunday. And for the record, I'm opposed to the similar laws in Israel.

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Chick Fil A is always closed on Sunday, it was the founder's philosophy. He wanted employees to have the opportunity to go to church, if it was their wish.

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If I didn't want to eat in the mall on a sunday i'd go to Bergen county. This not opening on sunday crap shouldn't fly this close to NYC.


The Manhattan store is doing quite well . . .

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If I didn't want to eat in the mall on a sunday i'd go to Bergen county. This not opening on sunday crap shouldn't fly this close to NYC.


That's the nice thing about the free market. The JC residents will decide that.

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If I didn't want to eat in the mall on a sunday i'd go to Bergen county. This not opening on sunday crap shouldn't fly this close to NYC.

Posted on: 2015/11/4 5:57
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Re: Chick-fil-A, on the way!
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holy shit, yes please

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That's Boston Chicken and the one in Hoboken sadly closed long ago.

JC could use one and it would rock.


Posted on: 2015/11/4 2:06
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