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AlexC wrote:
Rumor has it from my Senior HS daughter that teachers won't be showing up for work tomorrow.

Anyone else hear this?

If the teachers strike and she goes to either Dickinson, Ferris, Lincoln or Snyder I would let her stay home that day. If she goes to Liberty or McNair she should be fine.

I was a student during the last strike the schools won't be able to hire enough substitutes to control the kids. All they will do is put all the students in Auditoriums, Gyms and Cafeterias and the kids will quickly realize they run the show until this strike is over.

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Jersey City's 4,000-member teachers union strikes for first time since 1998
Updated 8:10 AM; Posted 7:06 AM


By Patrick Villanova The Jersey Journal

For the first time in 20 years, Jersey City's public school teachers have gone on strike.

The work stoppage, which will see some 3,100 teachers walk off the job today, comes after months of failed negotiations between the Jersey City Education Authority -- the union representing the teachers and other school employees -- and the Jersey City Board of Education.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... o.html#incart_2box_hudson

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I hope it doesn?t last as long as this one did. It was fun having off as a kid but 23 days was a little too long.

March 4, 1970 Asbury Park Press: ?Jersey City Teachers' Strike Ends JERSEY CITY - Negotiators for Jersey City teachers and the Board of Education reached a tentative agreement early today on a two-year contract to end the 23-day-old strike. School Board officials declared today a "holiday" after the agreement was reached at 2:15 a.m. One spokesman said the move was to avoid the day's being listed as "closed due to strike." The teachers' union, the Jersey City Education Association, was scheduled to have a membership meeting in its Bergen Avenue headquarters today to ratify the agreement. Union leaders said they would recommend that the contract be approved. There was no immediate word on what the new contract includes. However, Dan Rosser, a spokesman for the New Jersey Education Association, said it has "a wide range of improvements in the educational program as well as changes in the terms and conditions of teacher employment." The teachers had asked for pay raises up to $4,400.

Their starting salary is now $7,000. The strike, which began Feb. 9, lasted the same number of days as the Newark teachers walkout, which ended one week ago. First negotiations to end the dispute did not start until Thursday night. The School Board obtained a court injunction against the strike during its first week. So far, 22 teachers have been arrested and charged with violating the court order. Before the strike, Mayor Thomas J. Whelan had announced he would close the schools next September if the state did not pay for the city's educational costs. He subsequently filed suit against the state, demanding that it fulfill its "constitutional obligations." Some 1,650 teachers, 39,000 students and 34 schools were affected by the walkout.?

JerseyCityNj wrote:
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AlexC wrote:
Rumor has it from my Senior HS daughter that teachers won't be showing up for work tomorrow.

Anyone else hear this?

If the teachers strike and she goes to either Dickinson, Ferris, Lincoln or Snyder I would let her stay home that day. If she goes to Liberty or McNair she should be fine.

I was a student during the last strike the schools won't be able to hire enough substitutes to control the kids. All they will do is put all the students in Auditoriums, Gyms and Cafeterias and the kids will quickly realize they run the show until this strike is over.

iGreg wrote:
Approx what is a tenured JC teacher earning?
with summers off and pension plan....

AlexC wrote:
Rumor has it from my Senior HS daughter that teachers won't be showing up for work tomorrow.

Anyone else hear this?

JPhurst wrote:
I don't know the precise definitions of what constitutes Silver, Gold, and Platinum plans. Suffice it to say that the health insurance plan options are all very good insurance. Low deductibles, low co-pays, large networks, etc.

I would not object to the district agreeing to pick up a larger percentage of the tab IF the options included lower priced insurance, with the percentage going up if the worker chooses a more expensive plan. It's not all in the district's control, however.

The law passed by Christie really is inane. Mandate contributions by workers for several years, then throw it onto the school districts to bargain later. It basically was a way to get a short term budget fix (and he still couldn't balance the budget), stick it to unions, and then leave it to everyone else to handle when he left office.

Monroe wrote:
Tbird, AFSCME Iowa has only 29% dues paying members, that's why they're fighting this all over-no mandatory dues in Iowa.

JP, in 2017 all other NJ state unions agreed to small changes in plan coverage, NJ Teachers Union refused. The result was their plan costs went up 8.4% vs 3.4% for the other unions.

Monroe wrote:
Nonsense, wherever there is choice to opt out of forced contributions-many do.

Monroe wrote:
Janus vs AFSCME can't be decided soon enough. Gov Murphy hiring, then firing Paula White, as Asst Commissioner for the State Board of Education (a well qualified black woman, natch), because the NJEA didn't like her stand on charters-well, it's time to fix that.

Pebble wrote:
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Because I know that neither of you two parrots have a single clue about what the NJ Teacher?s Union has for healthcare benefits, I?ll do you both a favor and educate you. This is a link to the specifics on the policies.

Maybe you?ll click on the link or maybe you?ll just go running to whatever right-wing website keeps promoting the lies you?re spewing, but I?m going to throw out the idea that spending $1,000 per month for healthcare isn?t what I?d call ?Platinum Plan? or ?Cadillac Plan? unless the individuals are actually receiving platinum rings along with a new Cadillac Escalade every single month.

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dtjcview wrote:
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Pebble wrote:
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Because I know that neither of you two parrots have a single clue about what the NJ Teacher?s Union has for healthcare benefits, I?ll do you both a favor and educate you. This is a link to the specifics on the policies.

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The doc ony shows payments. Taking the first plan on the list "AETNA FREEDOM10 #018" - gives this link.

http://www.nj.gov/treasury/pensions/h ... lment_2015/sbc/sbc001.pdf

Not an expert - but given the deductibles and max out-of-pocket, that sure looks like it's NJ Gold plan or better. Most private employers take around the same $1k/month but will only provide silver-level coverage. In dollar terms, that's about $12k for ~$25k benefit public sector, compared to $12k for ~$16k benefit private sector.

Not massive. But to be honest I'd prefer to give that $9k difference to teachers as a pay increase. Colletively we need to exert more downward pressure on drug and treatment costs. Teachers and public employees will shop around for treatment if it's coming out of their own pockets. As it stands, public sector plans help create the spiralling healthcare costs.

Comparing it to where I work... To get the same plan, I'd pay $250 per month. If I were to spend $1,000 per month, it would cover me, a spouse and two children or more.

Where are you getting the number that private sector averages are $1k per month for an individual?

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Monroe wrote:
Blame Barack Hussein Obama, I picked up the 'platinum' term from him.

Nice dog whistle there!

Now, please post links and references to Obama referring to teacher healthcare plans as "Platinum Plans".

Oh lovely, back to the future... here is your explanation of the Obama Care metal plans. Generally speaking a number of unions (and companies) had Platinum Plans that were deemed by the Obamacare designers as excessive and outside the guidelines for "normalizing" affordable healthcare for all people.

The IRS started to grant waivers so they would not have to pay penalties attached to their platinum plans... and of course many waivers went to Unions who happened to be big donors. For some reason UAW / SEIU come to mind, but don't quote me on those two.

http://www.medicoverage.com/health-in ... onze-silver-gold-platinum

Oh look, another stupid response to something that wasn?t written!

Since you want to wade in? Please provide the specific fact about what the NJ Teacher?s Union have as a healthcare plan. Barring than, you are yet another parrot that has zero actual knowledge. (I already know the result.)

dtjcview wrote:
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Pebble wrote:
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Because I know that neither of you two parrots have a single clue about what the NJ Teacher?s Union has for healthcare benefits, I?ll do you both a favor and educate you. This is a link to the specifics on the policies.

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The doc ony shows payments. Taking the first plan on the list "AETNA FREEDOM10 #018" - gives this link.

http://www.nj.gov/treasury/pensions/h ... lment_2015/sbc/sbc001.pdf

Not an expert - but given the deductibles and max out-of-pocket, that sure looks like it's NJ Gold plan or better. Most private employers take around the same $1k/month but will only provide silver-level coverage. In dollar terms, that's about $12k for ~$25k benefit public sector, compared to $12k for ~$16k benefit private sector.

Not massive. But to be honest I'd prefer to give that $9k difference to teachers as a pay increase. Colletively we need to exert more downward pressure on drug and treatment costs. Teachers and public employees will shop around for treatment if it's coming out of their own pockets. As it stands, public sector plans help create the spiralling healthcare costs.