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It is easy to support something when it not impact your life. I feel sorry for the neighbors, I still remember living on Van Vorst Park and hearing the parades every Saturday and Sunday from June to August. They were so noisy that they set off the car alarms that react to noise. Thank God cars are not that sensitive as in the past because the protest would set off car alarms today.

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Just saw a video online that cops were at the protest this morning pulling over a ton of cars who honked to support the protest. Guess OP's daily calling of the police has worked.


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Updated 3:00 PM; Posted 12:43 PM

By Terrence T. McDonald tmcdonald@jjournal.com

The Jersey Journal

JERSEY CITY — Honk if you want a ticket!

Motorists driving by teacher protests outside School 4 in Downtown Jersey City have been getting a little present from City Hall if they honk their car horns in support: a $54 ticket.

At least one teacher received a ticket and, according to one source, a police officer was chided by his superiors for blaring his horn while driving by a protest.

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Just saw a video online that cops were at the protest this morning pulling over a ton of cars who honked to support the protest. Guess OP's daily calling of the police has worked.

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I'm not sick of hearing them protest, I'm sick of the fact that they need to protest.



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No problem with youths near voting age expressing their support. But bringing young kids to a protest looks like exploitation to many. But I'm not the one looking for a pay increase - just the one that may vote against it....



So who elects the JC BOE? And the point was general and not specific to me, nor a single vote.

You said you weren’t looking for a pay increase - just the one who may vote against it. Sure sounded to me like you were referring to yourself, as that is what the first person is often used for.

Teachers need to keep the BOE, City, County and State electorates on their side. Exploiting young kids looks bad to a high percentage of that electorate.


Again, you saw (I’m assuming) children present at one school. If I am mistaken about the number of schools you visited to make your claims, I apologize. I believe PS 16 was the original school mentioned in this message thread. You were provided with explanations as to why the children were there- either employees own kids or children brought by their parents who chose to support teachers. You disagree with those decisions but that's about it. Time to move on.


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No problem with youths near voting age expressing their support. But bringing young kids to a protest looks like exploitation to many. But I'm not the one looking for a pay increase - just the one that may vote against it....



So who elects the JC BOE? And the point was general and not specific to me, nor a single vote.

You said you weren’t looking for a pay increase - just the one who may vote against it. Sure sounded to me like you were referring to yourself, as that is what the first person is often used for.

Teachers need to keep the BOE, City, County and State electorates on their side. Exploiting young kids looks bad to a high percentage of that electorate.


Again, you saw (I’m assuming) children present at one school. If I am mistaken about the number of schools you visited to make your claims, I apologize. I believe PS 16 was the original school mentioned in this message thread. You were provided with explanations as to why the children were there- either employees own kids or children brought by their parents who chose to support teachers. You disagree with those decisions but that's about it. Time to move on.

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And keep in mind JC spends 25% more per student than the state average, graduation rates lag far behind the state average, and SAT scores are in the lowest 15% (not counting the McNair magnet school). Last year, all public sector unions EXCEPT the teachers, agreed to small changes to their platinum health plans. Those plans saw a slight just over 3% increase. The teacher Union refused and saw over 8%.

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School shootings in JC 'seem to be imminent'? Stricter gun laws are needed? You do know NJ gun laws are among the strictest gun laws in the country (then again I'd bet none of the shootings near Ocean Ave were by legal, NRA member gun owners.

But contact the JCPD if you feel a school shooting is imminent.

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I find this topic curious - My neighbors are calling the cops on these teachers?

I also live in the neighborhood and I hear these protests every morning too. I find it infuriating that the teachers are getting the brunt end - especially considering the trauma we expect them to anticipate and handle (read: shootings - which seem to be imminent), and that the solutions hasn't become let's find a way to inhibit this from happening (read: sensible gun laws). Instead the topic that I've heard thrown around quite a bit this last week is the idea that we should ARM these teachers (and what, expect them to act as security/body guards to children??).

We can't seem to give them a fair contract, and we can't seem to fund basic necessities in the classroom. :-|

These teachers SHOULD be protesting, and so should the students(!), they should be lighting the street on fire every day they have to deal with this. What we as a culture expect from teachers (and honestly, what we NEED from them) is absolutely absurd for what we offer them.

Paying the taxes that covers these teachers salary isn't just about funding your own children in the school system, whether or not they go to catholic school - it's about investing in the future of this community and this country. I don't even have kids, but I get that. Slashing education and/or nickle and diming teachers benefits literally no one, not today and certainly not 25 years from today. Please give these teachers what they need so they can continue helping us.

I'm not sick of hearing them protest, I'm sick of the fact that they need to protest.

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No problem with youths near voting age expressing their support. But bringing young kids to a protest looks like exploitation to many. But I'm not the one looking for a pay increase - just the one that may vote against it....


Unless you are a member of the Jersey City Board of Education or a member of the Jersey City Education Association, I am not quite sure when you feel you will have the opportunity to vote on the pay increase. The negotiations teams of each party come to an agreement on a contract proposal that each feels is acceptable. The membership of the union votes to ratify or not, then it is presented to the board for approval. So unless you happen to be a member of one of the organizations, you aren't voting on anything.


So who elects the JC BOE? And the point was general and not specific to me, nor a single vote.

Teachers need to keep the BOE, City, County and State electorates on their side. Exploiting young kids looks bad to a high percentage of that electorate.

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Very entertaining but wait until the state see Jersey City went up from a ratable base of $6.2 billion to $28 billion. They will expect more money from taxpayers for the local schools. That will be the nail in the coffin for those who are going up. So my suggestion is not 'beating a dead horse.'

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The kids were not just "walking and cheering". They were made to wear posters and shout out loud. Lot of people saw that on Washingotn and Grand intersection and outside Cornelia Bradford.

Just because the kids were with their parents doesnt give anyone a pass. There are parents who beat their kids as well - just because they are the parents, does it make it right? As far as using the logic of "learning from real life experience", well c'mon, you are telling that to justify pulling 4-5 years old? How many of you decided to sit in front of the kids, and told them about both the sides and then asked them "hey, so what do you think Which side is strong?"

And the teacher's union or whoever leads these protests should have said NO to including kids in these protests. Being teachers, they should have known better.


I'd say it is quite a jump to go from kids walking around their school to parents beating their kids. No need to sensationalize a situation here.

For the record, it is teachers themselves who are organizing these protests. Therefore, it is their decision to do whatever they feel like doing. Sorry if you don't agree, but I am not quite sure what gives you the authority to make statements like "being teachers, they should have known better." Known better what? What does being a teacher have to do with it? You clearly do not agree with the protests, and that is completely within your rights as a citizen to have those opinions. In the same way, teachers have the same rights and can do as they please, "knowing better" having absolutely nothing at all to do with anything.


I clearly said that "..irrespective of the merits of the case". No where I mentioned if I support the protests or not. You definitely need to go back to a school and learn reading again.

Wrong is wrong. Getting 3 years old kids to shout and hanging a protest banner from their neck, just to gather sympathy, is WRONG.


My apologies for misinterpreting your tone as one of being against the protests. I acknowledge my mistake.

However, instead of being rude and using caps lock to "yell" I will simply reiterate my main point from my previous post. You are 100% entitled to your opinion that the presence of children is wrong. Every other person is equally entitled to have his/her opinion as well. No opinion is right or wrong. Not mine. Not yours. Caps Lock does not make something TRUTH.

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No problem with youths near voting age expressing their support. But bringing young kids to a protest looks like exploitation to many. But I'm not the one looking for a pay increase - just the one that may vote against it....


Unless you are a member of the Jersey City Board of Education or a member of the Jersey City Education Association, I am not quite sure when you feel you will have the opportunity to vote on the pay increase. The negotiations teams of each party come to an agreement on a contract proposal that each feels is acceptable. The membership of the union votes to ratify or not, then it is presented to the board for approval. So unless you happen to be a member of one of the organizations, you aren't voting on anything.

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The kids were not just "walking and cheering". They were made to wear posters and shout out loud. Lot of people saw that on Washingotn and Grand intersection and outside Cornelia Bradford.

Just because the kids were with their parents doesnt give anyone a pass. There are parents who beat their kids as well - just because they are the parents, does it make it right? As far as using the logic of "learning from real life experience", well c'mon, you are telling that to justify pulling 4-5 years old? How many of you decided to sit in front of the kids, and told them about both the sides and then asked them "hey, so what do you think Which side is strong?"

And the teacher's union or whoever leads these protests should have said NO to including kids in these protests. Being teachers, they should have known better.


I'd say it is quite a jump to go from kids walking around their school to parents beating their kids. No need to sensationalize a situation here.

For the record, it is teachers themselves who are organizing these protests. Therefore, it is their decision to do whatever they feel like doing. Sorry if you don't agree, but I am not quite sure what gives you the authority to make statements like "being teachers, they should have known better." Known better what? What does being a teacher have to do with it? You clearly do not agree with the protests, and that is completely within your rights as a citizen to have those opinions. In the same way, teachers have the same rights and can do as they please, "knowing better" having absolutely nothing at all to do with anything.


I clearly said that "..irrespective of the merits of the case". No where I mentioned if I support the protests or not. You definitely need to go back to a school and learn reading again.

Wrong is wrong. Getting 3 years old kids to shout and hanging a protest banner from their neck, just to gather sympathy, is WRONG.

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If you think the protest alone are disturbing the neighborhood you haven't seen nothing yet. The teacher strike 20 years ago was pretty bad. I wish I could find old video footage of the news reports at the time, this article doesn't cover it as well as the reporters on the scene did back then and actually makes it sound less chaotic. Hopefully history doesn't repeat it self.

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No problem with youths near voting age expressing their support. But bringing young kids to a protest looks like exploitation to many. But I'm not the one looking for a pay increase - just the one that may vote against it....

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The kids were not just "walking and cheering". They were made to wear posters and shout out loud. Lot of people saw that on Washingotn and Grand intersection and outside Cornelia Bradford.

Just because the kids were with their parents doesnt give anyone a pass. There are parents who beat their kids as well - just because they are the parents, does it make it right? As far as using the logic of "learning from real life experience", well c'mon, you are telling that to justify pulling 4-5 years old? How many of you decided to sit in front of the kids, and told them about both the sides and then asked them "hey, so what do you think Which side is strong?"

And the teacher's union or whoever leads these protests should have said NO to including kids in these protests. Being teachers, they should have known better.


I'd say it is quite a jump to go from kids walking around their school to parents beating their kids. No need to sensationalize a situation here.

For the record, it is teachers themselves who are organizing these protests. Therefore, it is their decision to do whatever they feel like doing. Sorry if you don't agree, but I am not quite sure what gives you the authority to make statements like "being teachers, they should have known better." Known better what? What does being a teacher have to do with it? You clearly do not agree with the protests, and that is completely within your rights as a citizen to have those opinions. In the same way, teachers have the same rights and can do as they please, "knowing better" having absolutely nothing at all to do with anything.

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I have paid my fair share of school taxes, yet my children went to Catholic schools. How about protesting tax abatements instead? The old abatement agreements still pay nothing but the children still go to the schools. Maybe it is time they pay up.

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When the unions own the politicians it's not exactly bargaining. Luckily it seems the Supreme Court is about to take care of this-better times ahead!

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It's called collective bargaining Monroe, look it up, maybe you can learn something, oh, right, it's Monroe, never mind

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I have been a JC resident and invested in Jersey City long before it was hip, happening or cool. I have also worked as a Jersey City public school teacher for 12 years, about half the time I’ve lived here. I am still at a salary on which it is increasingly difficult to continue living here. My 2018 workload is compensated with a 2009 paycheck, due to the extremely harsh increases in health benefit premiums, and with each new contract being set back on the steps of the pay scale. I have dedicated the last 12 years for the good of the children of this city. I was Teacher Of the Year in my school in 2014. At this point I feel WHAT THE HELL DO I HAVE TO LOSE. I, and others, are picketing so people like the haters on here will know we have a valid complaint. I don’t want to strike but I WILL if I’m pushed to it. With my real estate taxes about to explode and premiums skyrocketing every year what the hell am I supposed to do ? Take on ANOTHER side job?? (I already have THREE: i work before school, after school and on Saturdays). Don’t tell me to go find something that pays better—- pay me better! Don’t tell me to “find a job I’m happier with,” because I happen to love my job.


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From a macro perspective, if the NJ unions threw their weight behind reducing the insane healthcare costs, more state funding could be diverted to pensions and education. You cant have all 3.

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Keep in mind for 2017 all NJ public sector unions agreed to some tweaks to their plans which kept their plan increase to 3.4%. The School Employees Health Plan Benefits Board refused-and its plan cost went up 8.4%.

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The cost of health insurance for NJ teachers is 50% more than the national average, and NJ teachers contribute far less to this than the national average for teachers for their plans. It's due to the NJ teachers union gaming the political system to get a platinum plated Cadillac plan.

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My son has gone a few times with me to protests as well. When he learned why the teachers were demonstrating, he said that 'there should be a law' that prevents them from making less money each year. He made a sign that reads "hands of my teachers' money." Hopefully there will be a new, and fair, contract soon and students won't have to join their teachers in protest anymore.

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Good Morning To All,

Whether you're for children taking part in important demonstrations, please feel free to checkout the link below. The link features inspiring, moving images of children accompanied by their brave parents and/or caretakers in taking a stand for what they believe to be right. You may also Google images of the recent Women's March in NYC and Washington.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1670 ... 1f2AnM:&spf=1518881452507

I'm happy to be living in a country where everyone has a voice, no matter how big or small, young or old the person, no matter how big or small the cause. I'm for the parents who choose to teach by example; they are their children's first teachers, after all.

There is nothing wrong with parents who support their teachers to bring their children along. The children are being looked-after as they 'march, cheer, hold signs (some signs made by them), shout, laugh when cars hunk, etc...'. All for only a few minutes before the start of their school day. All for their teachers who not only educate them, but also take-on the huge responsibility to care for & protect them for six (6) or more hours a day, and much more.

I know more parents would join the demonstration if they could. I have heard many express how they would join if they didn't have to rush to work. Sadly, some parents are not aware that teachers are working without a contract.

Teachers and demonstration organizers are not the ones to decide whether parents/kids join. But I'm sure if they see something of safety concern or someone breaking the law, they would alert law enforcement.

Let's support our teachers because they are deserving of it. Let's support them rain or shine, by contacting officials who can help. And if you can, walk with them. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.







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The kids were not just "walking and cheering". They were made to wear posters and shout out loud. Lot of people saw that on Washingotn and Grand intersection and outside Cornelia Bradford.

Just because the kids were with their parents doesnt give anyone a pass. There are parents who beat their kids as well - just because they are the parents, does it make it right? As far as using the logic of "learning from real life experience", well c'mon, you are telling that to justify pulling 4-5 years old? How many of you decided to sit in front of the kids, and told them about both the sides and then asked them "hey, so what do you think Which side is strong?"

And the teacher's union or whoever leads these protests should have said NO to including kids in these protests. Being teachers, they should have known better.

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The kids 'walking & cheering' in support of their teachers at Cornelia Bradford were with their parents. Said parents have chosen to be supportive of their teachers; they know best whether to bring their children along.

Their children are enjoying each others company, while learning from a real life experience. The most important lesson being that they, too, can make a difference for the good of their community. They're learning at an early age to care and 'act'. I don't see anything wrong with that.

We have enough apathetic members in our community. It's refreshing to see that our future generation is already learning to be proactive. Kudos!

PS: Best wishes to our teachers!

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Small kids protesting for teachers? Somebody call the feds.

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it was sickening to see small kids being used in the demonstration in front of Cornelia Bradford... irrespective of merits of the case

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