tommyc_37 wrote:
Coming back downtown on the 4 or 5, it's very confusing to try to find connection to Path without going upstairs and outside.

Why isn't everything just simply and directly connected to Fulton? So many escalators, stairs, and unnecessarily confusing passageways.

Wishful_Thinking wrote:

You can, actually - I do it all the time. Walk through the atrium, take the steps at the east end up, go through the glass doors to connecting passage with the odd pod-shaped retail kiosks through what looks like another exit. Stay to the right, there is an escalator that takes you up into the Corbin Building; take a right onto John Street, or a left into the Fulton Street hub and you'll end up on Broadway and John.

It's a pleasant walk - I especially appreciate bypassing the traffic Armageddon that is Broadway and Park Place/Centre Street in the morning. It is atrociously laid out though - you go through several zones which look like the end, there is very little directional signage. The return trip you have to do entirely on instinct - there is NO signage for the WTC transportation center or the PATH until you are actually in the atrium, and you need to walk through the Fulton Street transit center back to John Street to take the escalator down, otherwise you can only get to the subway platforms, not the connecting platform.

corybraiterman wrote:
Haven't been in since the new closing the other day, but the connection to Fulton is very easy. When you exit the train, take the escalators up. Go out to the side under the giant whale carcass. Walk straight ahead through the carcass bones, up the stairs and out the doors in front of you - you are now in the tunnel that takes you to Fulton St.

On your right, you'll see the Cortlandt St R train. Ahead of you is Fulton St.

Annod wrote:
I was hoping that I can walk to the Fulton Center(Broadway and Fulton St) without paying. It is disappointing that I cannot. It would have been useful in bad weather.

sepecat wrote:
Was in lower Manhattan yesterday and took the path to WTC and I too was confused how to get to street level. The old layout, was simple and straight forward. It looks like the PA told Westfield to come up with the exit and they decided the easiest way to street level, is to go in front of all their stores.

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tommyc_37 wrote:
Anyway, is there some sort of guide or map as to the exits and connections?

Yes. I got one from a PANY employee at the station. However, I found it too confusing.

tommyc_37 wrote:
Anyway, is there some sort of guide or map as to the exits and connections?

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jc_dweller wrote:
I have yet to find a map of this, so I guess I'll have to explore in person, but I can't see how walking east underground to Fulton Station is closer/faster than just going aboveground to the 1,2,A,C and particularly the E (unless you are going to Brooklyn). I'm not criticizing the tunnel, just wondering if it's at all a shortcut rather than just a way to avoid going outside?

If you count the time it takes to walk above ground, wait at intersections on Cortlandt, walk back down through Fulton to get to the subway platform, it absolutely is. Not to mention how nice it'll be when it's raining. I've been waiting months for this.

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dr_nick_riviera wrote:

I believe they are planning direct connections to the 1/E/R. Those parts are very behind schedule, mostly because there was a big dispute between PA and MTA as to who would actually pay and do the work, which lasted years. Turns out MTA is responsible for the buildout and construction, so it's on them as to when those things will open up.

They are, and remember that the WTC E station is connected underground to the Park Place A/C/2/3. When that opens, it will assuredly be faster and easier than going above ground.

Yes, you're both right. My bad. You can see how the entrances to both lines will be incorporated into the south Oculus corridor that is already open if you click the video on this page:

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jc_dweller wrote:
I have yet to find a map of this, so I guess I'll have to explore in person, but I can't see how walking east underground to Fulton Station is closer/faster than just going aboveground to the 1,2,A,C and particularly the E (unless you are going to Brooklyn). I'm not criticizing the tunnel, just wondering if it's at all a shortcut rather than just a way to avoid going outside?

If you count the time it takes to walk above ground, wait at intersections on Cortlandt, walk back down through Fulton to get to the subway platform, it absolutely is. Not to mention how nice it'll be when it's raining. I've been waiting months for this.

jc_dweller wrote:
I have yet to find a map of this, so I guess I'll have to explore in person, but I can't see how walking east underground to Fulton Station is closer/faster than just going aboveground to the 1,2,A,C and particularly the E (unless you are going to Brooklyn). I'm not criticizing the tunnel, just wondering if it's at all a shortcut rather than just a way to avoid going outside?

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dr_nick_riviera wrote:

I believe they are planning direct connections to the 1/E/R. Those parts are very behind schedule, mostly because there was a big dispute between PA and MTA as to who would actually pay and do the work, which lasted years. Turns out MTA is responsible for the buildout and construction, so it's on them as to when those things will open up.

They are, and remember that the WTC E station is connected underground to the Park Place A/C/2/3. When that opens, it will assuredly be faster and easier than going above ground.

dr_nick_riviera wrote:

I believe they are planning direct connections to the 1/E/R. Those parts are very behind schedule, mostly because there was a big dispute between PA and MTA as to who would actually pay and do the work, which lasted years. Turns out MTA is responsible for the buildout and construction, so it's on them as to when those things will open up.

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jc_dweller wrote:
I have yet to find a map of this, so I guess I'll have to explore in person, but I can't see how walking east underground to Fulton Station is closer/faster than just going aboveground to the 1,2,A,C and particularly the E (unless you are going to Brooklyn). I'm not criticizing the tunnel, just wondering if it's at all a shortcut rather than just a way to avoid going outside?

I think you're right. In the case of the E, I believe that there will be a direct underground connection from the corridor running north away from the Oculus that should deliver you to the E train platforms without having to go up to street level and back down into the subway again.

But in the case of the 2,3 and the A,C it will still be faster to go up to street level and enter the 2,3 at Park Place and the A,C at Chambers Street than schlepping all the way through the warren of tunnels to get to access those lines at Fulton Street.

The 2,3 Fulton Street platforms in particular are a looong walk from the WTC PATH platforms, since they are located under William Street which is five avenue blocks distant. Park Place is much closer. A,C are only one block closer, located under Nassau Street.

Here's another thing that grates: the 1 train at Cortlandt Street runs right through the ceiling of the Hub, but there will be no way to access the station from underground. You'll have to go up to the Memorial plaza and then go back down into the 1 train station. I also believe the same is true of the R at Cortlandt Street.

For $4bn you would have hoped they could have engineered a below ground transfer to those two lines that are literally on top of the new hub. But, you know, PANYNJ.

jc_dweller wrote:
I have yet to find a map of this, so I guess I'll have to explore in person, but I can't see how walking east underground to Fulton Station is closer/faster than just going aboveground to the 1,2,A,C and particularly the E (unless you are going to Brooklyn). I'm not criticizing the tunnel, just wondering if it's at all a shortcut rather than just a way to avoid going outside?

jc_dweller wrote:
I have yet to find a map of this, so I guess I'll have to explore in person, but I can't see how walking east underground to Fulton Station is closer/faster than just going aboveground to the 1,2,A,C and particularly the E (unless you are going to Brooklyn). I'm not criticizing the tunnel, just wondering if it's at all a shortcut rather than just a way to avoid going outside?