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lol... When you can't argue, insult. Always a good tactic. Your irrelevant and incorrect presumptions do not change a single fact about this situation. The reality is that the overwhelming majority neighborhoods in JC are not like Newark Ave, and will not become like that. Large buildings that are going up in residential and historic districts aren't adding loud commercial properties to the ground floor. And Erie Street is not going to become overrun with bars and nightclubs because a former police office building which is less than 1 block away from a bar, a liquor store, a fancy fried chicken place and a firehouse, put in a restaurant.
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I think people like yourself would enjoy St. Mark's Place or 46th Street or Macdougal Street in Manhattan. It brings the best of "B&T Crowd/Mall density" to the big city. Hey maybe JC will get that casino and you'll have the best of garbage culture all jammed together.
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You repeatedly bring up this multi-way stop sign issue, but the answer is straightforward. The reason people wait at multi-way stop signs is that they are not sure whether there is a stop sign the other way or not, those little bars that say 2 way or 3 way stop are not reliably in place, so when you pull up to an unfamiliar junction, you have no idea what the guy going the other way is being instructed to do by his signage (let alone what they will actually do, which as you know often departs radically from what they are supposed to do!). So you naturally play it safe and wait and see what the other guy does. Robin.
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Errrr... what? Sorry, but that's not the case. Working with developers doesn't mean that every single zoning restriction, noise regulation and parking regulation gets thrown out the window. I have no idea how that building was zoned previously, but they aren't going to turn every block of Erie Street into the equivalent of Washington in Hoboken. Refusal to build causes its own problems, most notably in terms of density. For example, San Francisco has severely curtailed high-rise development, while over the decades demand has gone up. The result is skyrocketing housing prices. Quote: It shows me that a lot of residents and politicians and supporters of all this wanton development aren't really attuned to "city living". They instead, and this includes a lot of you, have a "mall culture" mindset. Errrr... what? Cities are high density. Cities frequently pack restaurants, shops and bars in close proximity to residential units. Heck, the person who started this thread is chewing out people because they can't stand the noise of a bar. This is how most cities work. Plus, your idea of mall culture is... Talde? Where is their next restaurant opening, the Willowbrook Mall? Quote: The desire to be around more people, more crowds and have more things to buy is not endemic to city dwellers but instead to suburbanites. lol OK, granted, around half of American cities have similar densities to East Coast suburbs. However, Jersey City is nothing like Houston (talk about a suburban wasteland) because developers put in taller buildings and put in restaurants a block away from a major commercial street. Nor do people move to lower-density suburbs, with houses several times bigger than in urban cores, in order to be around more people and more crowds, and have less stuff.
Posted on: 2015/6/10 1:08
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It's true, but on the other side I can't believe how lazy and self centered JC drivers are in their double parking habits. Many is the the time I've seen someone double park in front of an open spot, just too lazy to parallel park it in. Never mind the times when there's a spot a car or 2 away or across the street. Lets not get into the multiple double parkers turning the street into a slalom course.Why do they believe it's better to double park than to park in front of a hydrant? If there's a fire the truck can't get past their car anyway! Of course none of that bothers me as much as the drivers who have no idea what to do at a multiway stop sign.
Posted on: 2015/6/10 1:04
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I'm gonna go the other way with the double parking thing and suggest that most people need to learn how wide their vehicle is.
I see people leaning on their horn because they "can't get by" a space that I could drive a dump truck through. RIP Internal Affairs. Best neighbors.
Posted on: 2015/6/9 21:55
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They need to go back to Ohio ASAP. Or even Bklyn will do, as JC is full of these yuppie types.
Posted on: 2015/6/9 21:47
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Amen! There are a lot SUV driving, double wide stroller pushing people that belong in the suburbs!
Posted on: 2015/6/9 19:32
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The situation on Erie Street and in other places is exactly what you get when you just throw down the red carpet to ANY business or ANY developer. What's the saying? "Be careful what you wish for because it may come true." It shows me that a lot of residents and politicians and supporters of all this wanton development aren't really attuned to "city living". They instead, and this includes a lot of you, have a "mall culture" mindset. The desire to be around more people, more crowds and have more things to buy is not endemic to city dwellers but instead to suburbanites. The "move to the suburbs" mantra seems to apply more to those who spew it than they realize.
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Ugh! SO TRUE. That entire block of Erie between Bay and 1st is getting to be a clusterf*ck of double parkers, with people pulling up to the curbs, sometimes blocking crosswalks and impeding the ability of drivers AND pedestrians to be able to see traffic. And, as someone else mentioned in some other thread, there also some douchebags that pull up, leave their cars running with the radio blasting, to go stand in line to buy some ice cream to go. To be honest, on more than one occasion, as I walking around with my dog, I have been tempted to toss the bag of dog shit I am carrying into cars that are left unattended with the radio blasting. I have also been tempted to try and toss it through the window of speeding cars that refuse to yield to pedestrians.
Posted on: 2015/6/9 14:24
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Amen. On one hand, I'm glad they're doing a brisk business but I've lost one of my fav "quiet" bars.
Posted on: 2015/6/9 14:03
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there's gonna be a street brawl in front of Toricos over parking one night. you can feel it brewing.
Posted on: 2015/6/9 13:49
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I believe this is the result of then councilman Fulup and current councilwoman Osborne deciding that DTJC should be a destination.
Posted on: 2015/6/9 1:40
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This. The people double parking, or stopping to drop off or pick up people, are getting to be super annoying. If you are going to do that (and, really, you shouldn't!) please be nice about it and pull closely to either side of the road. Pulling over, but still blocking or impeding traffic, is a douche move.
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Dude, give it a rest! The issue of loud bars, and people calling in noise complaints, is not at all about high rises. If anything, residents in high rises are less prone to these issues, because most of the "problem" bars are next to residential abodes that are 4 stories, or less. Right now, I think the only two high rise buildings in proximity to bars are Grove Pointe (next to the Favia conglomerate outside the Grove St PATH station) and The ArtHouse JC, next to O'Haras and Powerhouse Lounge (oddly, also owned by Favia). Most of the other high rises are located in relatively quiet areas. Seriously, you need to re-up your meds, or please consider visiting a mental health care professional. Your odd, irrational obsession with high rises and your perceived issues with them are all in your head.
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As one of the, what you referred to in another thread as,"poor bastards" who live above or across the street from these restaurants I have to say it really hasn't been too bad. During primetime Friday/Saturday nights we're typically out of the apartment and their doors are always closed before they start with the loud music inside. The bigger problem is the car traffic when someone tries to double park and drop off their entire party. We'll see how things go as they have recently added a bunch more tables to the sidewalk, but the air conditioning units will be in our windows soon so I'm not anticipating too many issues.
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I cannot believe the city allowed a bar/restaurant that is so loud to be unleashed upon longtime residents in what was once an innocuous police building. That Carrino's is a travesty and the city should have to pay for soundproofing and new windows for the local residents. Or else force Carrino's to keep their doors shut and the patrons inside.
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I'm a new-ish (just over a decade) resident, and I find myself WAY more irritated by the newer bars, or the new clientele of old establishments.
Rolon's bar - the Keyhole at Bay & Erie - is typically a great neighbor. but lately the Hobokenesque bros have begun to take over, and it's a whole different animal.
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This is just another social dilemma when city planners allow high-density high rise housing into commercial zones without checks and balances. If there is any finger pointing, then it's the developers and building codes that allow cheap-ass poor sound-proofing construction.
Ultimately it's cityhall that should have had the foresight to see these problems, as history will show that this sort of problem occurs in every city and country. Have you noted that businesses don't complain about parking issues anymore when you have a population explosion with high-rise apartments - It wasn't all that long ago when businesses complained that their businesses were suffering due to parking and it's enforcement ... now its the residents crying about it as the businesses have a potential clientele base all around them!
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White Star had it's 10th birthday at the weekend. My wife said the music was so good, she didn't need to use her iphone. Kudos to the White Star for being a well run, considerate, local bar. And grats on their 10th.
Posted on: 2015/6/8 21:51
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The OP here! Down with OP-P...Yeah you know me! I'd rather be an Original Poster than an Original Poser...Just saying...hahaha.
Wow....this was quite the hot topic : ) ....Nice to see that we all mostly agree on this subject. Few clarifications...my "literacy" and intelligence is without question or comment...the critiques of my post fall flat - just because I said "historic". Using the "electronic" conversion of the bells to back up your point makes no sense....Bells are bells and they came from an old historic church...regardless if they were blaring techno out of the church it's still historic. And bells were silenced. Period. I know for a fact that there were complaints. Also we're talking about bars, the police, and neighbors here....it's not rocket science so it's automatically an unintelligent post. With some of the poor grammar and illiteracy I've seen over the years on JClist...my post doesn't even compare. Moving on...I do agree though I over generalized....sorry about that.....to clarify SOME of the newbies....and THOSE who complain. There we go : ) Also, I agree if the patrons are causing trouble on the street then bust them : ) By the way, everyone's beloved Porta Pizza had a brawl last weekend! Not some of these other older bars. So it's in fact some of the new establishments and their patrons that are more problematic than the ones having the police stop by. Ha...The Music Box of course is it's own thing...No one is defending that place! hahaha Thanks guys! Glad though for the most part everyone agreed. To quote Jim Carrey in The Truman Show-----"...In case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night!" Stay safe and cool my JC people : )
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There's no doubt some people have unrealistic expectations of controlling their environment (my MIL can't step into a room without demanding some change in its climate, noise, light etc), but there's also reasonable expectations of consideration and neighborliness. One doesn't hear constant noise complaints about neighborhood pubs like White Star, 9th & Coles or Park Hamilton like you did about Music Box and some others. This proves that pubs and residents are not utterly incompatible, if the pub and it's patrons give a crap. It's funny, I had a conversation yesterday with a young tenant who commented how much quieter the building has gotten since the tenant in her 60's moved out. She liked to blast music on the weekends, while the young people tend to use headphones.
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It would certainly be nice if everyone was rich enough to be able to freely pick and choose where they want to live, especially in a very tight housing market. But oh well.
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i live in that area. If they can't stand the sound of church bells or street life, just wait till they meet the neighbors ;)
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I get everything you're saying and agree with you 100%. Anyone who moves into a city should know what they're getting into. For the life of me I will never understand why middle-class couples with children who can afford to live further out and be in a better school system choose to stay here AND still complain about the noise. It's a city and they should know what to expect. It's the other sentiment of the OP I can't stand... his choice to generalize that all "newbies" have a problem with the noise and are the ones that make all the police calls, and his attitude that "newbies" don't have a right to live in Jersey City. His attitude that because he's a lifelong or almost lifelong resident, that he and his fellow lifelong residents own all the streets and only their opinions matter.
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Just want to point out again that the difficulty of disciplining "bad neighbor" bars like the late unlamented Music Box makes it hard to open new ones or even for restaurants getting liquor licenses.
I was reminded of the whole "where did you think you were moving and why did you think it was cheap?" argument when S Greenville got hysterical at the plan to increase activity at the Greenville yards.
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I will grant you that some people can be SUPER oblivious and ignorant and buy a property without doing their due diligence about informing themselves about the area immediately surrounding their property of interest. But, does that absolve them of responsibility in their decision?? Your example of a gold course is very good, actually. I know people that live next to golf courses. Some love it (and enjoy the free balls that show up in their backyards) and others hate it. If you choose to move into a house that faces onto a golf course (particularly one where there are no fences separating them from the property) you have to accept that decision was yours alone and learn to deal with the situation, or just re-sell. Quote:
I am not saying you have to put up with nonsense. Of course you are entitled to the protection of the law, and there are all kinds of regulations around noise levels and such. My point is that some people move next to a bar and then are SURPRISED that there is noise next door. That's just BS. NO ONE could possibly move next to a bar and not expect noise to be present at night, especially on weekends. Some people seem to expect complete and total silence at night, and that is just not realistic in a city next to a bar. Again, if the bar is being a bad neighbor by having especially loud music, and failing to encourage patrons to be mindful of neighbors, then they should be complained about and reported. But, that's a different matter. Quote:
It hasn't been mentioned in this thread (yet!) but it has been mentioned in other threads in the past. Some people have come in here (JCLIST) to complain about bars that are open until 1 or 2 AM asking who to call to have them inspected or shut down. I think that's a pretty douche move knowing you moved next to them and that it should be fairly logical that some amount of noise will be a reality on evenings and weekends. Again, I am not justifying bars that act as bad neighbors or who fail to try and do their best to not impact surroundings. Just saying that some noise is simply unavoidable (it IS a bar, after all) and that to expect to move next to one, in a fairly lively city, and still have complete silence or quiet is unrealistic.
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Lots of people just don't know. Seriously. One example is people who live near golf courses, especially small ones integrated into a residential neighborhood. Those courses don't have fences or hedges, you'd barely know it's a golf course. Buyers think it'll be easy to get to the course and will be good for home values; after the third golf ball hits their car, they realize they've made a mistake. Quote: If you move next to a bar, you have to accept that a certain amount of noise will be part of your life. Yes and no. Again, we have noise regulations for a reason. If the bar is obeying the regs, then it's up to the resident to adjust their situation (move, add soundproofing etc). If the bar is making too much noise, they can't simply say "too bad, we got here first." Nor can a bar make as much noise as it wants, and tell the residents to move if they don't like it. That's not how it works. Quote: To move in and then try and get the places shut down is not cool. Who said anything about shutting down the bars?
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Not too long ago, there were at least twelve churches downtown with real bells. And these bells rang the hours all night long and also, often, rang at each liturgy (at least twice a day) and at the consecration (twice each Mass), tolled at funerals and pealed at weddings.
Thanks to modernist priests, there are hardly any church bells downtown anyway. Right now, I think Holy Rosary on Sixth between Monmouth and Brunswick is the only downtown church that rings bells- and as someone noted they are electronic. I was in the parish at the time, the electronic bells were purchased and complained loudly, but not loud enough. The actual bells are still there and one can immediately tell the difference- sort of like discerning between butter and margarine. The bells were purchased probably out of a combination of laziness (even if the real bells had been electrified so that they would ring without a bell ringer, it still requires maintenance, etc), a soft corruption that favors certain vendors, and a certain disdain for tradition. SS Peter and Paul Orthodox Church, originally a Greek Catholic Church, has lovely bells that are rung for liturgical purposes (not the hours) every great feast. Bells of yore include: St. Lucy's silenced when the church closed around 1988; OLC, not sure when but have only rare heard its bells. St. Boniface. I have fond memory of my son ringing the bell in the late 1990s. The Church is now condos. Reportedly the bells are still in the tower. St. Peters. The original church was taken down in the 1960s and the Jesuits replaced the oldest edifice with a cinderblock monstrosity without bells. St. Brigit's never seemed to ring its bells. Now that it is closed as of six months ago, they will never ring again. St. Mary's, for such a beautiful church never seemed to have real bells. There is an electronic system that is infrequently used. St. Michael's never got around to building the two towers that the architect, Keeley, called for. There may be bells in the stub of a tower- but I don't recall them being rung. St. Anthony's has a tremendous belfry and the biggest bell downtown. The parish in the process of reinforcing the towers so that the bells can be rung. Our Lady of Chestowja [sp?]. I think they have some small bells. I don't recall any regular use. Grace Van Vorst. This was founded as a high Anglo Catholic Anglican parish and must have had bells. I have never heard them, however. The church was gutted in the 1960s so the bells were probably thrown out then. Methodist Church on Mercer. Not sure. Don't recall ever hearing them. In Europe, even further along in the de-Christianization process, bells still ring a lot. It can take a little getting used to but after a few nights, one is fine. In its heyday, Jersey City church bells probably out rang even Rome or Constantinople.
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Do these bars get to violate noise ordinances because they're more than 2 years old? Quote: You are wasting the police's time to have them come in for a second asking people to be quiet which doesn't even work...because it's a bar!! I don't know the specifics, but: If the bar is in fact violating noise regulations (and it's not clear that is the case), then the bar needs to take steps to ensure the neighbors aren't disturbed, e.g. better sound proofing, or managing groups outside the bar itself. Quote: What is wrong with you rats? Holy moly! Get a life! Wow! When you rent or buy a home, you don't usually get to spend an entire week there to check the noise levels. It's very easy to overlook a potential source of noise. Quote: I also want to add that the new residents complained about the gorgeous church bells that rung on 6th and Monmouth. Complained to whom? As already noted, the bells are still operational. The church itself may have chosen to reduce the schedule, out of consideration for the neighborhood.
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