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So what does "Area eligible for tax abatement" as written on the documents mean?

Surely this building will not get a tax abatement?

Robin.

hero69 wrote:
perhaps the parking authority should not issue parking permits who live in buildings with allocated parking

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DouglasReynholm wrote:
My rec for the re-zoning Candice.

No building/tower/apartment/office structure should be taller than 5 floors measured from ground upward within historic district - Marin Blvd to Division Street from 10th Street to Newark Avenue.

Regarding the rest of downtown (except from Brunswick to Barrow from Columbus to Bright), those are already bombarded with tall skyscrapers within Paulus Hook, Newport and along Grand Street facing Liberty State Park. Too late for those communities.

And stop Tax Abatements for developers in 07302.

If the council approves otherwise, someone is getting paid/influenced etc. etc.

Preserve Hamilton Park.

Preserve Hamilton Park? This spot has a parking lot and is next to a building that is the same height as the proposed development. It's not like they are changing the character of the neighborhood with this development.

I agree on tax abatement though, no one needs extra incentive to build downtown.

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But it's called Jersey CITY. C-I-T-Y. Which means we should now strive to emulate what a CITY is in our small brains. Tall buildings and lots and lots of people right? You got mugged? Hey it's a CITY! A homeless person shit in your flower-pots? Hey it's a CITY! The sewer overflowed raw sewage? WTF! It's a CITY! The transportation system sucks? You said it! It's a CITY! We can do worse. No seriously, with enough effort we can definitely make it worse and we're headed in that direction.

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A homeless person shit in your flower-pots?

What messed up city have you recently visited?

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But it's called Jersey CITY. C-I-T-Y. Which means we should now strive to emulate what a CITY is in our small brains. Tall buildings and lots and lots of people right? You got mugged? Hey it's a CITY! A homeless person shit in your flower-pots? Hey it's a CITY! The sewer overflowed raw sewage? WTF! It's a CITY! The transportation system sucks? You said it! It's a CITY! We can do worse. No seriously, with enough effort we can definitely make it worse and we're headed in that direction.

A homeless person shit in your flower-pots?

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Binky wrote:
Actually, when I moved in to my house 15 years ago there was no net increase in the number of people living here.
It is the people who have moved into the new construction who have increased the population. And it is the poor planning of the new construction and the necessary infrastructure that is the issue here.

Yes. Those of us who moved here 15 years ago didn't buy new construction. We replaced outgoing residents. We didn't contribute to the surge in population, congestion, FILTH, crime, etc. Yes, there are wonderful new shops, restaurants, cultural options that didn't exist and I appreciate those, but the fact remains that the people who came here initially and paved the way for all the other more recent growth didn't want density. We wanted what JC had at that time which was convenience without the assault on our personal space that living here has become. One of the attractions of living here was the fact that you didn't have to kill someone to get on or off a train, listen to horns honking on the streets, get knocked over on the effing sidewalk when a bike came charging at you, etcetera. Living here was pleasant and quiet, and it isn't any longer. Yes, the changes have come with associated benefits too, but the lifestyle that a lot of people moved here for is gone.

Yeah, the ONLY thing that people living in new construction brought was flith, congestion, and over population. I'm sure Barcade, John's Cafe, Union Republic, The Bistro would have opened up shop in the vacant, oops, i meant quiet place you mentioned. I'm sure the Michael Korrs would have opened up in newport...I'm sure Newport Green, an amazing million dollar park would have opened up. Yeah...let's go back to that era of vacancy, I mean quiet and peacefulness.

I am having an incredibly difficult time following. I avoid Newport like the plague. Are you saying that all of Jersey City should be like Newport? A neighborhood of ugly buildings, ugly apartments and zero decent restaurants?

And Michael Kors? Is a $200 watch really a sign of prosperity?

Good. Avoid it like the plague.

Let's avoid the eventual back and forth and let me script our conversation.

Me: Which neighborhood in JC should be the model? Newport is a neighborhood with one of the highest median incomes and highest properties values of all of the JC neighborhoods.

You: Yeah, but Newport is full of Yuppies. Greenville and BL are the model neigborhoods. Those neighborhoods have things like uniqueness, acceptance, and character.

Me: Those are the high crime areas in JC...violent crime.

You: Something about yuppies and high buildings and an insult about Whole Foods or NYC.

Me: Something sarcastic and witty. Maybe even an insult about you being poor.

End of conversation. I just saved us time.

I don't think I have ever stepped foot in Greenville or BL. I live in Hamilton Park.

I don't have a problem with yuppies, as I suppose I fit the demographic. Nor do I have a problem with tall buildings. I have a problem with ugly buildings, short or tall.

And I would love a Whole Foods. I regularly drive to the one in Edgewater.

I like that Hamilton Park has some character. To me, this sounds like a poorly planned building that adds nothing to the neighborhood other than more people.

arcy wrote:
Since this development is probably already a "done deal," besides limiting the number of units, I suggest:
-Rooftop gardens and/or community gardens, indigenous gardens in park, apple trees, perennial plants
-Community events: holiday events (ie Santa Claus, pumpkin picking, haunted house, Easter egg hunt, spring equinox, summer solstice, New Year's), yoga classes, flea market, films, summer concert series)
-Commission jersey city artists and local schools for art in lobby and public spaces
-Gallery open to local events
-Bicycle shares, bicycle parking
-Parking spaces for electric cars
-Green cleaning
-Solar panels and donating any savings to the city
-Work-share space
-Composting
-E-waste and battery disposal recepticals
Artist studios/workshop space
-Hire local residents
-Sustainable building materials, renewable materials like bamboo
(Certified green building or LEED certified with electric saving bulbs etc
Provide reusable bags to residents in the lobby
-Financial Commitment to invest in infrastructure (buried electrical lines, sewer lines)
-Annual Donation to the Pavonia library
-Donation to the Roberte Clemente park
-Kushner scholarships for local Jc school and a scholarship to student
-Kushner internship to local Jc student
-in case of emergency, the development will be open to community

If any of the above is not adhered to, there will be a financial penalty.

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I commend the Silvermans for their work with the artist community. I wish more developers would recognize how important art is to the community. I don't think Kushner has invested in the arts like the Silvermans.

I haven't been in Kushers' other developments. I've only seen the outside of Grove Point. I've seen the plans for Marin Street. Like Grove Point, the plans are very uninspiring, boring and institutional. I've heard the inside of Grove Pointe is slapped together and the hallways have drop ceilings.

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Binky wrote:
Actually, when I moved in to my house 15 years ago there was no net increase in the number of people living here.
It is the people who have moved into the new construction who have increased the population. And it is the poor planning of the new construction and the necessary infrastructure that is the issue here.

Yes. Those of us who moved here 15 years ago didn't buy new construction. We replaced outgoing residents. We didn't contribute to the surge in population, congestion, FILTH, crime, etc. Yes, there are wonderful new shops, restaurants, cultural options that didn't exist and I appreciate those, but the fact remains that the people who came here initially and paved the way for all the other more recent growth didn't want density. We wanted what JC had at that time which was convenience without the assault on our personal space that living here has become. One of the attractions of living here was the fact that you didn't have to kill someone to get on or off a train, listen to horns honking on the streets, get knocked over on the effing sidewalk when a bike came charging at you, etcetera. Living here was pleasant and quiet, and it isn't any longer. Yes, the changes have come with associated benefits too, but the lifestyle that a lot of people moved here for is gone.

Yeah, the ONLY thing that people living in new construction brought was flith, congestion, and over population. I'm sure Barcade, John's Cafe, Union Republic, The Bistro would have opened up shop in the vacant, oops, i meant quiet place you mentioned. I'm sure the Michael Korrs would have opened up in newport...I'm sure Newport Green, an amazing million dollar park would have opened up. Yeah...let's go back to that era of vacancy, I mean quiet and peacefulness.

I am having an incredibly difficult time following. I avoid Newport like the plague. Are you saying that all of Jersey City should be like Newport? A neighborhood of ugly buildings, ugly apartments and zero decent restaurants?

And Michael Kors? Is a $200 watch really a sign of prosperity?

Good. Avoid it like the plague.

Let's avoid the eventual back and forth and let me script our conversation.

Me: Which neighborhood in JC should be the model? Newport is a neighborhood with one of the highest median incomes and highest properties values of all of the JC neighborhoods.

You: Yeah, but Newport is full of Yuppies. Greenville and BL are the model neigborhoods. Those neighborhoods have things like uniqueness, acceptance, and character.

Me: Those are the high crime areas in JC...violent crime.

You: Something about yuppies and high buildings and an insult about Whole Foods or NYC.

Me: Something sarcastic and witty. Maybe even an insult about you being poor.

End of conversation. I just saved us time.

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Binky wrote:
Actually, when I moved in to my house 15 years ago there was no net increase in the number of people living here.
It is the people who have moved into the new construction who have increased the population. And it is the poor planning of the new construction and the necessary infrastructure that is the issue here.

Yes. Those of us who moved here 15 years ago didn't buy new construction. We replaced outgoing residents. We didn't contribute to the surge in population, congestion, FILTH, crime, etc. Yes, there are wonderful new shops, restaurants, cultural options that didn't exist and I appreciate those, but the fact remains that the people who came here initially and paved the way for all the other more recent growth didn't want density. We wanted what JC had at that time which was convenience without the assault on our personal space that living here has become. One of the attractions of living here was the fact that you didn't have to kill someone to get on or off a train, listen to horns honking on the streets, get knocked over on the effing sidewalk when a bike came charging at you, etcetera. Living here was pleasant and quiet, and it isn't any longer. Yes, the changes have come with associated benefits too, but the lifestyle that a lot of people moved here for is gone.

Yeah, the ONLY thing that people living in new construction brought was flith, congestion, and over population. I'm sure Barcade, John's Cafe, Union Republic, The Bistro would have opened up shop in the vacant, oops, i meant quiet place you mentioned. I'm sure the Michael Korrs would have opened up in newport...I'm sure Newport Green, an amazing million dollar park would have opened up. Yeah...let's go back to that era of vacancy, I mean quiet and peacefulness.

I am having an incredibly difficult time following. I avoid Newport like the plague. Are you saying that all of Jersey City should be like Newport? A neighborhood of ugly buildings, ugly apartments and zero decent restaurants?

And Michael Kors? Is a $200 watch really a sign of prosperity?

DouglasReynholm wrote:
My rec for the re-zoning Candice.

No building/tower/apartment/office structure should be taller than 5 floors measured from ground upward within historic district - Marin Blvd to Division Street from 10th Street to Newark Avenue.

Regarding the rest of downtown (except from Brunswick to Barrow from Columbus to Bright), those are already bombarded with tall skyscrapers within Paulus Hook, Newport and along Grand Street facing Liberty State Park. Too late for those communities.

And stop Tax Abatements for developers in 07302.

If the council approves otherwise, someone is getting paid/influenced etc. etc.

Preserve Hamilton Park.

vindication15 wrote:
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SilveryJessica wrote:
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Binky wrote:
Actually, when I moved in to my house 15 years ago there was no net increase in the number of people living here.
It is the people who have moved into the new construction who have increased the population. And it is the poor planning of the new construction and the necessary infrastructure that is the issue here.

Yes. Those of us who moved here 15 years ago didn't buy new construction. We replaced outgoing residents. We didn't contribute to the surge in population, congestion, FILTH, crime, etc. Yes, there are wonderful new shops, restaurants, cultural options that didn't exist and I appreciate those, but the fact remains that the people who came here initially and paved the way for all the other more recent growth didn't want density. We wanted what JC had at that time which was convenience without the assault on our personal space that living here has become. One of the attractions of living here was the fact that you didn't have to kill someone to get on or off a train, listen to horns honking on the streets, get knocked over on the effing sidewalk when a bike came charging at you, etcetera. Living here was pleasant and quiet, and it isn't any longer. Yes, the changes have come with associated benefits too, but the lifestyle that a lot of people moved here for is gone.

Yeah, the ONLY thing that people living in new construction brought was flith, congestion, and over population. I'm sure Barcade, John's Cafe, Union Republic, The Bistro would have opened up shop in the vacant, oops, i meant quiet place you mentioned. I'm sure the Michael Korrs would have opened up in newport...I'm sure Newport Green, an amazing million dollar park would have opened up. Yeah...let's go back to that era of vacancy, I mean quiet and peacefulness.

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Binky wrote:
Actually, when I moved in to my house 15 years ago there was no net increase in the number of people living here.
It is the people who have moved into the new construction who have increased the population. And it is the poor planning of the new construction and the necessary infrastructure that is the issue here.

Yes. Those of us who moved here 15 years ago didn't buy new construction. We replaced outgoing residents. We didn't contribute to the surge in population, congestion, FILTH, crime, etc. Yes, there are wonderful new shops, restaurants, cultural options that didn't exist and I appreciate those, but the fact remains that the people who came here initially and paved the way for all the other more recent growth didn't want density. We wanted what JC had at that time which was convenience without the assault on our personal space that living here has become. One of the attractions of living here was the fact that you didn't have to kill someone to get on or off a train, listen to horns honking on the streets, get knocked over on the effing sidewalk when a bike came charging at you, etcetera. Living here was pleasant and quiet, and it isn't any longer. Yes, the changes have come with associated benefits too, but the lifestyle that a lot of people moved here for is gone.

SilveryJessica wrote:
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Binky wrote:
Actually, when I moved in to my house 15 years ago there was no net increase in the number of people living here.
It is the people who have moved into the new construction who have increased the population. And it is the poor planning of the new construction and the necessary infrastructure that is the issue here.

Yes. Those of us who moved here 15 years ago didn't buy new construction. We replaced outgoing residents. We didn't contribute to the surge in population, congestion, FILTH, crime, etc. Yes, there are wonderful new shops, restaurants, cultural options that didn't exist and I appreciate those, but the fact remains that the people who came here initially and paved the way for all the other more recent growth didn't want density. We wanted what JC had at that time which was convenience without the assault on our personal space that living here has become. One of the attractions of living here was the fact that you didn't have to kill someone to get on or off a train, listen to horns honking on the streets, get knocked over on the effing sidewalk when a bike came charging at you, etcetera. Living here was pleasant and quiet, and it isn't any longer. Yes, the changes have come with associated benefits too, but the lifestyle that a lot of people moved here for is gone.

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RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
I say build and then build some more.

when you named yourself Ruin Hamilton Park, you weren't joking around.