hamhock wrote:
Back in the '90s in Hoboken, my friend had his flowering plants ripped out of their planters. He replanted with new ones, and sunk several razor blades into the dirt surrounding each one. A few days later, he found one plant partially dislodged, and a trail of blood drops down the sidewalk. No further vandalizing of his plants ever occurred.

suzychapstick wrote:
We ended up contacting HoneyMovers and Adam was great. It seems like the best option so far. We have someone coming tomorrow (at 6:45 a.m.!) to do an estimate from L and L. It's nice to know that there are a fair number of non-crap moving companies in the area. They're usually tough to come by. Thank you for the recommendations, all!

135jc wrote:
Let's get down to the real issue. Who is moving out? I heard a few like Amy Shumer and Leah Dunham call their threats jokes. What about some others?

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fraulein wrote:
I thought this quote was interesting and believe this is the crux of what anti-Trump people are grappling with, including myself:

"The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.theatla ... cle/501335/?client=safari

Many people are fearful (of being deported, families splitting up, losing healthcare) because they take his language and campaign promises literally. Then, because of the shock of his win, everyone had to quickly take him seriously. I think these feelings may temper as everyone begins to see that the "showman" Trump will be more even-keeled as he approaches the office (i.e., not completely repealing Obamacare).

If you haven't already, you should read this:

I?m a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted for Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/gl ... igrant-i-voted-for-trump/

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fraulein wrote:
When the marriage equality legislature was in process, plenty of wedding-oriented businesses refused to serve gay couples. The argument was that they have the right to not serve people with whom they had differences. I see this as no different.

That's a good point. Remind me, what did "progressives" say about that issue? How did it turn out? Are they making the same arguments now?

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fraulein wrote:
All of these crimes, including the people who lied, regardless of side, are wrong.

But even many staunch supporters of Trump said that they didn't always like what he said, but they liked that he was an outsider and not a politician. I can respect that. It's the subset of supporters, who I like to believe don't represent the majority of his followers, that now are latching onto the hateful aspects of his platform and taking it as carte blanche to do these awful things against others.

All I'm saying is that he needs to come out against this if he meant what he said about unifying the country.

Please provide proof of one act of physical harm that a Trump supporter inflicted on an innocent person.

Not social media accounts where there is no evidence apart from a self-serving post (and usually the "victim" didn't even go to the police). And not hateful words, because as bad as those are, they don't compare to beatings, two examples of which I posted.

In the absence of actual proof, there is nothing to denounce, apart from general statements that we must all come together.

Alternatively, I'd be fine if he denounced the wrongdoers on both sides (because there probably are some Trump supporters that did say hateful words to people). But I resent the implication posted here that minorities are being victimized by Trump supporters when there isn't actual evidence of that, and when we do have proof and video, the evidence tends to show the reverse.

Doesn't it seem odd to you that most Trump supporters live in rural areas yet these "hate crimes" allegedly are occurring in very liberal urban cities?