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Can't say the the images fill me with joy, but the design does seem to echo the stepped ziggurat motif you find in The Beacon and in other buildings in the city.
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Stepped ziggurat? Looks more a 5-year old kid smashed his lego.


Yeah... stc4blues was exceedingly kind with that description. The art deco facade of The Beacon is magnitudes nicer than this project.

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Can't say the the images fill me with joy, but the design does seem to echo the stepped ziggurat motif you find in The Beacon and in other buildings in the city.
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Stepped ziggurat? Looks more a 5-year old kid smashed his lego.

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Can't say the the images fill me with joy, but the design does seem to echo the stepped ziggurat motif you find in The Beacon and in other buildings in the city.

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There is, seemingly, no ceiling to DTJC rental rates... I thought 5K for a 3bd was the absolute top, but recent buildings coming to market with those type of units (3bd) are asking well over that, with some even at 6K. Even with a promotional free month when signing your lease, you are looking at 5.5K.

As for whether or not these high rises are filling up, almost every new building coming onto the market fills up within a few months. I am no longer surprised by what the local market bears.


Rents have been falling in Manhattan this will probably happen in JC as well.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/article ... ents-fall-most-since-2011

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KRE....just another Kushner family property. Great.

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How is the filing of the high rises in NoHo - aka The Taint aka Soho West? There are a lot of rentals coming on the market, would be surprised they all fill up at these prices without investors discovering they have to give discount - and can't get decent ROI.


There is, seemingly, no ceiling to DTJC rental rates... I thought 5K for a 3bd was the absolute top, but recent buildings coming to market with those type of units (3bd) are asking well over that, with some even at 6K. Even with a promotional free month when signing your lease, you are looking at 5.5K.

As for whether or not these high rises are filling up, almost every new building coming onto the market fills up within a few months. I am no longer surprised by what the local market bears.

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How is the filing of the high rises in NoHo - aka The Taint aka Soho West? There are a lot of rentals coming on the market, would be surprised they all fill up at these prices without investors discovering they have to give discount - and can't get decent ROI.

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my point is that imo plenty of the bland towers going up in jersey city are ugly too. at least, this ugly building breaks the mold a bit. and as i said, it is MY OPINION. some may find the towers as well as 485 marin exciting and uplifting.Quote:

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it ain't pretty but at least its not another boxed tower totally lacking in an type of imagination, imo

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Astonishingly ugly! I appreciate that can be said about most of these modern towers, but your average Lefrak tower, though bad, looks nicer than this carbuncle.

Soviet style brutalist architecture, out of scale and with no redeeming qualities.

On the rear side, which you can't see in the photos, is a huge windowless wall with channels of cinder-block covered with some green siding material. I can only pray that they intend to construct some other structure to cover that part, as the way it looks now is dire.

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Talk about cutting the nose to spite the face. Favoring an ugly building over a traditional (or, boring) one seems like an odd stand.

I am with the others. I have watched this building go up and it always struck me as oddly out of place: too large for its location, aesthetically it clashes with its surrounding, and the design itself is not at all visually pleasant. Complete and total FAIL.

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Astonishingly ugly! I appreciate that can be said about most of these modern towers, but your average Lefrak tower, though bad, looks nicer than this carbuncle.

Soviet style brutalist architecture, out of scale and with no redeeming qualities.

On the rear side, which you can't see in the photos, is a huge windowless wall with channels of cinder-block covered with some green siding material. I can only pray that they intend to construct some other structure to cover that part, as the way it looks now is dire.

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Talk about cutting the nose to spite the face. Favoring an ugly building over a traditional (or, boring) one seems like an odd stand.

I am with the others. I have watched this building go up and it always struck me as oddly out of place: too large for its location, aesthetically it clashes with its surrounding, and the design itself is not at all visually pleasant. Complete and total FAIL.

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Astonishingly ugly! I appreciate that can be said about most of these modern towers, but your average Lefrak tower, though bad, looks nicer than this carbuncle.

Soviet style brutalist architecture, out of scale and with no redeeming qualities.

On the rear side, which you can't see in the photos, is a huge windowless wall with channels of cinder-block covered with some green siding material. I can only pray that they intend to construct some other structure to cover that part, as the way it looks now is dire.

Robin.

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Is this the place they are building now next to the fire house on Marin? I thought that was gonna be a hotel.

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Astonishingly ugly! I appreciate that can be said about most of these modern towers, but your average Lefrak tower, though bad, looks nicer than this carbuncle.

Soviet style brutalist architecture, out of scale and with no redeeming qualities.

On the rear side, which you can't see in the photos, is a huge windowless wall with channels of cinder-block covered with some green siding material. I can only pray that they intend to construct some other structure to cover that part, as the way it looks now is dire.

Robin.

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I wish this was never built. It's ugly. Will every tenant get free parking? If not, our Hamilton Park streets are doomed.


According to the article, there will be parking available on premises, so that makes residents ineligible for street parking permits. If people start parking on the streets around Hamilton Park, just ask the PA to make it a point to come around to ticket vehicles. We had that issue around the PAD area and it got fixed real quick after a few weeks of parking enforcement. They come around every day (twice in the morning, and at least once or twice in the afternoon) and there is hardly any violators nowadays, as nobody wants to come back to a vehicle ticketed for zone parking violations.

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I wish this was never built. It's ugly. Will every tenant get free parking? If not, our Hamilton Park streets are doomed.


This picture made me throw up in my mouth a little.

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I wish this was never built. It's ugly. Will every tenant get free parking? If not, our Hamilton Park streets are doomed.

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All I know is the PATH to 33rd will be a sh it show in about a year or two.


will be?!

that train has already left the too-small station.

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All I know is the PATH to 33rd will be a sh it show in about a year or two.

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Actually, when I moved in to my house 15 years ago there was no net increase in the number of people living here.
It is the people who have moved into the new construction who have increased the population. And it is the poor planning of the new construction and the necessary infrastructure that is the issue here.


Yes. Those of us who moved here 15 years ago didn't buy new construction. We replaced outgoing residents. We didn't contribute to the surge in population, congestion, FILTH, crime, etc. Yes, there are wonderful new shops, restaurants, cultural options that didn't exist and I appreciate those, but the fact remains that the people who came here initially and paved the way for all the other more recent growth didn't want density. We wanted what JC had at that time which was convenience without the assault on our personal space that living here has become. One of the attractions of living here was the fact that you didn't have to kill someone to get on or off a train, listen to horns honking on the streets, get knocked over on the effing sidewalk when a bike came charging at you, etcetera. Living here was pleasant and quiet, and it isn't any longer. Yes, the changes have come with associated benefits too, but the lifestyle that a lot of people moved here for is gone.


Guess what, wherever you move, you don't get to preserve it amber for the rest of time. In cities of all places, you have to accept that the area could and probably will change.


I'm wading through this thread, there's so little information, mostly bickering, but I thought this was so well put. Any response?

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Another Cluster-eff for traffic - I'm sure the great minds in JC will allow construction vehicle access on Marin Blvd instead of 8th or 9th St - similar to the mess they created on Columbus Drive with construction of 70 Columbus high-rise. Always let the developers have their way.
mr. jc_man, wait one cotton pickin' minute. those developers help improve our city through their contributions to our elected officials!

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Another Cluster-eff for traffic - I'm sure the great minds in JC will allow construction vehicle access on Marin Blvd instead of 8th or 9th St - similar to the mess they created on Columbus Drive with construction of 70 Columbus high-rise. Always let the developers have their way.

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Another pre-fab 'kit' building that will be a nightmare for the eventual owners after the warranty period is over ... noting most of the public housing is structurally more sound and cheaper to maintain and over 50 years old!

These are nothing more than cheap apartment buildings that will be covering the area from one side to the other with turn around high paying renters.

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Another pre-fab 'kit' building that will be a nightmare for the eventual owners after the warranty period is over ... noting most of the public housing is structurally more sound and cheaper to maintain and over 50 years old!

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Yes, the only precisely clear way to describe the height of a building is to use feet. Stories gives a rough approximation only. That's why I referred back to the reports giving the actual height - 190 feet.

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correct. tax abatement application says 17 stories.


Terrence, one of your earlier news reports indicated 190 feet. See: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... wer_on_manila_avenue.html

Architects generally use 10 feet per story, as a rule of thumb, so that's 19 stories. However figured it's a much bigger building than 12 stories. So big it needed amendments passed to the Master Plan for than area.





Most new "luxury" residential construction incorporates ceilings that are much higher than the old standard of 8 feet, which means the actual stories are taller than 10 feet. People get too hung up on the number of stories when talking about buildings, and don't think enough about actual height. For a building topping out at 190 feet, I would expect 17 stories TOP. Anything more would result in low (~8 feet) ceilings.

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Eventually, if this keeps up, I will be living in Stewart Little's house.

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Architects generally use 10 feet per story, as a rule of thumb, so that's 19 stories. However figured it's a much bigger building than 12 stories. So big it needed amendments passed to the Master Plan for than area.


Hmm don't have the site plan handy so I don't know how high each story is, but the financial plan submitted to the council definitely says 17 -- 13 for the residential units, four for the parking garage

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Terrence, one of your earlier news reports indicated 190 feet. See: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... wer_on_manila_avenue.html

Architects generally use 10 feet per story, as a rule of thumb, so that's 19 stories. However figured it's a much bigger building than 12 stories. So big it needed amendments passed to the Master Plan for than area.




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unless the project was downsized, the original post is correct, 17 stories.

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They applied for variances, got tax breaks and abatements for temporary affordable housing. The time to complain and block it is passed.


Also OP should check his information. The building is not seventeen stories; I recall it being twelve or thirteen.

And if his issue is with trees being cut down, the developers are building a park onsite which will be open to the public. That land has been fenced off and unusable since I moved to the neighborhood 18yrs ago. Now anybody will be able to enjoy it.

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Also OP should check his information. The building is not seventeen stories; I recall it being twelve or thirteen.



The KRE building will be 190 feet; the existing Unico building is 130 feet. Thus, the new building will be more than 40% taller than the existing Unico tower.

The new public park will be situated between these large buildings.

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