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Re: Symes / Solomon runoff
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I fear for the future of this forum.....

Too late for that, this place was moribund before the election anyway.

IMO this notion of letting activist incumbent residents decide what happens in their neighborhood is absurd. In almost all cases they will vote for no development. No one has a right to a static neighborhood. Many of the same people howling about high housing costs are the ones preventing higher density.

Here's a thought experiment: convert Summit into a Bus Rapid Transit lane from Journal Square up to 495 through to the Port Authority, and rezone the heights area along it for midrise higher density. You would lose parking on Summit but thousands of new affordable homes with great mass transit and no need for cars would take its place.

This type of "New Urbanist" growth vision would absolutely be vetoed by existing residents, but potential residents have no vote.


Except that the the development most likely wouldn't be affordable. Why would any developer want to rent for affordable rates unless thats the only way they could get a tax break - which has been the opposite case in JC

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Re: 2017 Reval ~ Property Inspections
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agreed - no one is saying that Joe shouldn't pay more, but how much more is the question.

if the 2% market value equalizer holds, I doubt many people will see any relief especially with the recent interest in BL, greenville, jsq, etc as a result of DTJC pricing out.

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not everyone that currently owns downtown has been living there forever and been substantially subsidized by other areas of the city. these areas have also seen increased values in the past few years and maybe wont see that golden $100 or $200 per month reduction by the reval - at most ? who will be crying now ?

OK, think of it this way.

Let's say that Joe bought a brownstone in 2015 for $800k, and is paying $8k per year in property taxes. After the reval, his taxes shoot up to $16k.

Joe has, in fact, already benefitted. By the time the reval takes effect, he'd have saved well over $25k just in a few years (as he should have been paying higher taxes in 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018). And someone else had to pay the taxes he didn't pay.

In addition, if we don't do the reval, or somehow shield Joe from his full obligation, he's still getting a tax break moving forward. Further, someone else is still paying the remainder of Joe's fair share, while he continues to reap the benefit not only of lower taxes, but also higher property values.


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telling someone that they shouldnt be pissed their taxes are skyrocketing based on an arguably inflated investor driven market and if they dont like it, then they can just sell and leave is just being a dick.

Yes and no.

Yes, in that the city should not have delayed the reval for 30 frickin' years. It should have done this about every 5 years, in which case people would see more frequent and significantly smaller changes in property taxes.

No, in that it is unjustified to be mad that you have to pay your fair share -- especially after getting a break, at some else's expense.

Griping about "inflated investor driven market" is nonsense, because the people whose taxes are going up have directly benefitted from that market. Nor is there any sign, even after people literally spending years predicting a massive crash, that JC is in an unsustainable real estate bubble.

Posted on: 9/6 12:54
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Re: 2017 Reval ~ Property Inspections
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roughly 1.5% when I bought in 2015, but the past few years have seen crazy value increases in DTJC as well as Heights and JSQ albeit maybe not as much. It depends what those properties were assessed at and effectively paying though - if a property in JSQ at $50,000 paying $4,000 / year now has a market value of $500,000, its the same as a $100,000 paying $8,000 now worth $1,000,000 which I think is fairly reasonable though I do not know if the JSQ scenario is accurate. It seems like the rateable base is the question which will determine the market equalization ratio.

I understand the relativity concept, but couldn't those homeowners paying 3% have sought out relief through the tax accessor office ?


Posted on: 9/6 9:53
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Re: 2017 Reval ~ Property Inspections
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Funny, those of us apposing the methodology of property tax calculation are due to get a $36K bill and those in favor obviously are not. Just because a value of a home has risen doesn't mean that the individual that lives in that home has the means to pay $36K year over year.


Stop being self-servingly obtuse. There is nothing wrong with the methodology. it is the same one used ALL OVER the USA. If someone bought a home for 300K, and that home has now risen to 1.5 MM, and they can't afford the taxes now, they still have options that all those other that have been subsidizing them do not have. Namely, the person has 1.2 MM in (unrealized) profit into which the person can can tap to pay off the tax burden: borrow against the property, or sell, or find another solution.

Complaining about having to pay higher taxes on a property that has appreciated tremendously, and for which taxes have been under assessed for a decade or longer, is like complaining about being taxed on lottery winnings: it is petty and will not get you far.


not everyone that currently owns downtown has been living there forever and been substantially subsidized by other areas of the city. these areas have also seen increased values in the past few years and maybe wont see that golden $100 or $200 per month reduction by the reval - at most ? who will be crying now ?

telling someone that they shouldnt be pissed their taxes are skyrocketing based on an arguably inflated investor driven market and if they dont like it, then they can just sell and leave is just being a dick.

Posted on: 9/5 20:21
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Re: Flooding in Jersey City
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4-6 inches would not have been pretty after all the rain weve had lately.

Has there been anything near that much so far this year ?

Posted on: 6/19 21:31
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Private auto inspections
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Has anyone ever used a facility in jersey city aside from the state run DMV for an inspection ?

Posted on: 2/27 21:43
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Comic books for sale in Jersey City ?
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I am interested in buying individual issues and collections from anyone in jersey city or nearby surrounding areas.

Please email hookjc800@gmail.com for more information.

Posted on: 2016/10/21 12:23
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Re: Longish-time JC resident interested in buying...somewhere
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Bidding wars on properties downtown or when you switched to jsq ? Or both ?

Ive heard numerous bidding wars in nice areas BL and greenville

Posted on: 2016/10/18 11:57
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Sidewalk Repair violation and work
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Recently received a Notice of Violation from Division of Housing Code Enforcement for sidewalk repairs required and getting the run around from the various city agencies (Buildings, Housing Code, Traffic & Engineering, etc).

Has anyone recently had to deal with this ?


Posted on: 2016/10/4 9:21
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Re: Economic violence in JC ?
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I'd define economic violence as a disregard for others in the name of profit for oneself.

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Realtors constantly knocking on people's homes pestering them to sell which could lead to the ousting of long term tenants.


just because someone tries to get you to sell your house, doesnt mean that you should believe what they say. aggressive sales tactics are nothing new

Posted on: 2016/9/29 12:09
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Re: Fulop won't run for governor, will back Murphy, sources say
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I think Moran is kind to suggest that Fulop remember "why he got into this game" in the first place. The "why" was self promotion, plain and simple. There were no core beliefs, only a lust for power. It's time that he return to the private sector where he will be free to cut deals that advance his interests, free from the inconvenience of considering the public good.


all politicians seek to advance themselves. even with his unbridled ambition, hes done more than any previous JC mayor

Posted on: 2016/9/29 9:53
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Re: Rental Prices out of control - DTJC
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Whats the current market rate for a 1bd in Hamilton Park rennovated and not updated (i.e. not stainless steel appliances, fancy tile bath, etc slightly dated) ?

Posted on: 2016/9/21 17:50
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Re: Embankment- Update Thread
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I was at the council meeting when the city said this will be a rail spur. A spur means trains will be on the line. It does not mean people will walk on the area. All of the connections to the line are torn down. The city lied, that is the point. Perhaps they will lie on another project to take your property next.


Either you have Alzheimer or are being deliberately forgetful. A major event in this whole long drama was when the city unveiled a plan for a linear walking park sharing the embankment with light rail. I can picture someday climbing up to a train at Jersey and 6th, and taking it to visit the future Trader Joes at 15th St in Hoboken, when they redevelop that area and add a new HBLR stop there. That will never happen if it's torn down.


The difference between you and me, Brewster, I state my facts without name calling. Now let me give you some facts. Since other parts of the Conrail line has been torn down or have development there such as Bruce Ratner property where would this rail go? Where is the money for this rail spur? It is not coming from the state, fed or even local taxpayers. To put it mildly, JC cannot pay for terminal leave without bonding. Since there is no connection, the city lied about a rail spur, the exact term which was used by Corporation Council Jeremy Farrell when the city council passed the ordinance. The term was rail spur not railbanking because this rail line is going no where. Now this brings me to my second point. If Conrail did not abandon the property correctly then Bruce Ratner's property is also not correctly abandon. So the lawsuit against Ratner should go ahead. But it is not just Ratner, Conrail had other connecting lines in JC that developed. I actually have a map of those lines so much of downtown JC was not in compliance and the people who own those properties now have problems. This opens up questions on many properties in downtown JC.


The lawsuit against ratner is being brought by someone with absolutely no ties to the area nor claims against property and the property has no opportunities for preservation.

Posted on: 2016/9/21 12:18
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Re: Embankment- Update Thread
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It was abandon in the same process because Conrail owned that property too. Why give a tax abatement if a property was illegally abandon? When young men were teens during the 1960s. The railroad hired them to clear the rails during snowstorm when school was closed. Those teens walked the length of the line including where this development is located. My point is - it is part of the same rail line. This process smells, from city hall stating falsely the that this will be a rail spur in order to take the property to granting a tax abatement on another piece of the rail line. Honestly, the feds should investigate JC over the embankment.


The Feds should investigate Conrail for not properly disposing of their properties.

Whoever gave the property to developers at the Metro Plaza site would have more of an issue than the city being accountable because they willingly passed on "possession" and it was not actually a line of rail.

Posted on: 2016/9/14 15:36
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Re: Embankment- Update Thread
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Nothing was taken at the Metro Plaza site.

You can argue similar circumstances but the city isnt making a claim against this property and was not illegally sold to a developer therefore no issue.

Posted on: 2016/9/14 10:48
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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The embankment park can be 100% funded by private and corporate donations, as long as we preserve it until the funding comes through. Have your sewers and and your fancy parks too.


Yes. There's a lot of big real estate money coming into the City, not to mention the folks who store their art collections at Mana Contemporary. If the citizens of Jersey City say loud and clear "we want this and we'll support it" the money will come. Not automatically, of course, donors will have to be courted, etc. But the money will be there.


Agreed. Projects like this make cities unique desirable places that redefine the urban experience.

I cant see Silverman or another developer with strong ties to the community passing up an opportunity like this or Bergen Arches

Posted on: 2016/9/14 8:37
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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That's almost 60M tourists right across the river, annually. What would it take to get 1% of them across the Hudson to JC?


a fuckton more than a walking park. now where's that casino thread...


yep great for the neighborhood

Posted on: 2016/9/12 19:44
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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Wasn't there some chatter about making the space part of a light rail expansion if the park concept doesn't work out?


The administration was accused of making that excuse based on the type of emminent domain invoked I think which is still murky at best.

A ground level park would have to start from scratch in terms of vegetation and foliage which would most likely be lessened to accommodate more people and amenities. The whole selling point of an elevated walking park in this case is that you are seeing the years of natural growth without interference from a view above neighboring buildings and without having to worry about traffic for several long blocks.

The logistics aspect of interrupting traffic shouldn't be an issue unless a truck is 20 feet tall in which case they wouldn't fit under traffic lights either.

Posted on: 2016/9/12 15:34
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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If you're arguing that it wouldn't cost that much though, you're going to lose that argument. Some how, some way, I promise you it would end up costing almost half a billion, if not more.


I don't know what the Embankment project would actually cost, but $500M is an extravagant over-estimate. Chicago's Millennium Park covers 24.5 acres, required considerable construction and landscaping, a starchitect (Frank Gehry), 2 or 3 major artists and it was 'only' $475M (a decade ago). The Embankment isn't on that scale.


Perhaps 500 MM was an exaggeration, but I am fairly confident that EasyGibson is onto something. I would not be at all surprised if such a project would clock in at around 100 MM after all is said and done. The LSP bridge, which is tiny in length, and which didn't require any additional work to the area around it, clocked in at almost 1MM (after more than a year to discuss, plan, and complete) and that was 3 years ago. The embankment will require a TON of time and money to rehabilitate for "safe use" and the collection of bridges, passages, etc will require a lot of approvals and costly designs and construction.

I am not saying that the area should be razed or given to a developer, but corybraiterman is not crazy to suggest that a grand level park could at least satisfy the desire for more green spaces without bankrupting a city that is already stretched thin in so many areas. It seems like a lot of the proponents for this Highline-style design are dishonestly portraying this debate as having two choices: elevated park or more development. We could have a ground level park and still enjoy a great many benefits. The Highline idea sounds like a pipe dream to me given the budgetary realities.


https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/eleva ... rk-high-line-Poughkeepsie

restoring this bridge across the Hudson River cost $38M which I am sure included additional supports to account for supports being in a moving body of water and not a stable structure like a street.

Assuming 2 or 3 bridges with many some paved walkways and fences around the area could be accomplished for less than $25M I would think.

Where the fock does the $500M figure come from ?

Posted on: 2016/9/12 14:36
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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In Berlin on Wednesday, Fred Dixon, the chief executive of New York’s tourism-marketing agency, NYC & Company, plans to announce a forecast of 59.7 million visitors this year. That would exceed last year’s record of 58.3 million visitors by 2.4 percent


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As of 2010, Atlanta is the seventh-most visited city in the United States, with over 35 million visitors per year.


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"Last year [2012] we broke a record. We had 42 million people visit the city of Atlanta. We’ve never had that many visitors before," the mayor said.


What are the commonalities again?


Potential for tourism ?

Seems pretty obvious

Posted on: 2016/9/12 11:39
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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A Glorified Sidewalk, and the Path to Transform Atlanta


Planners now say Atlanta’s population, which stands at about 463,000, could double in the next 15 years. Many of the new residents could end up living along the BeltLine.

In a study this year, Mr. Leinberger and a colleague, Michael Rodriguez, showed that areas they identified as “walkable urban places” in the nation’s 30 largest metro areas were gaining market share over car-dependent suburban areas for “perhaps the first time in 60 years,” and earning higher rental premiums.

The High Line in New York, which turned an elevated stretch of Manhattan rail line into a linear park, is perhaps the best known of the nation’s urban infrastructure makeovers. Chicago’s has also converted an old elevated track into a greenway, christening it the 606. Miami’s Underline is reimagining 10 miles of underused land under its elevated Metrorail system as an art-lined “urban trail.”

Still, many say Atlanta’s plans stand out.

Private investment along the entire proposed route has surged to $3 billion. Foundations and private donors have given more than $54 million for paths, parks and other amenities. Home prices have risen in formerly overlooked working-class neighborhoods where the BeltLine is set to expand.

Candidates in the 2017 mayoral race, meanwhile, are turning BeltLine promises into central elements of their campaigns.



This requires actual progressive thinking to accept tho which some people are incapable of apparently.

The key to major acceptance is self-sustaining operations financially which is the challenge. Projects such as this have major benefits to surrounding property values and businesses, but sadly tend to be evaluated strictly on profitability similar to mass transit.

Posted on: 2016/9/12 10:05
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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Your point is that the city shouldnt spend money on anything but basic shit like parking lots/[quote]

It isn't, but I'm not surprised you're so stupid that you think that's my point.

[quote]and things like the highline which has brought world class attention to nyc


Bullshit. It's a tiny addition to the biggest tourist city in the entire country/hemisphere/world. Good for NYC, it's quite literally one of a thousand things to see and do as a tourist there.

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are a complete waste of money.

For this city? Yes it is

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Again the highline aspiration is a bit much for JC and i dont think its necessary for the embankment but theres still room for basic historic conservation especially for public green spaces without blowing obscene amounts of $.

Finally, some sense of reason...

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Bridges with stairs and fences wont cost millions of dollars and maintenance of the trail itself can be handled by volunteers.

Aaaaaaaand it's gone. You really have zero idea what infrastructure costs, do you. Go look it up. I'll wait.


Walking infrastructure how big ? 30 feet maybe ? Its not like they are building the friggin pulaski skyway.


Posted on: 2016/9/11 22:08
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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i don't, but keep trying and failing. it's pretty funny when people try and make assumptions and fuck them up full 100. you take what might've been a passable insult and fuck it all up with inapplicable stupidity. that and you stupid fuckers can't even argue the substance of my point so you turn into little kids with the insults. you have no backbone, can't argue the point and can't even make a diss that makes sense.

but hey, keep it up, it makes me look better and you look dumber every time.


Your point is that the city shouldnt spend money on anything but basic shit like parking lots and things like the highline which has brought world class attention to nyc are a complete waste of money.

Again the highline aspiration is a bit much for JC and i dont think its necessary for the embankment but theres still room for basic historic conservation especially for public green spaces without blowing obscene amounts of $. Bridges with stairs and fences wont cost millions of dollars and maintenance of the trail itself can be handled by volunteers.

The last thing the city should do is develop it or turn it into a parking lot.

Posted on: 2016/9/11 10:50
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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i don't have any kids or a car, but thanks for playing. also i've been living in jersey city for 30 years, so you can SMD


Dont necessarily disagree with leaving it like it is but you still sound like a low brow hudson county neanderthal that longs for the days of trash everywhere and burnt out buildings.

So theres that

Posted on: 2016/9/10 21:51
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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Again you dont have to do the whole thing highline style - even just 2 or 3 bridges is enough and you can keep the landscaping natural which would cut down on maintenance.

Just dont develop it. Cities need interesting remainders of their history and even better if that be in the form of a green space. Tearing it down and making a parking lot would be a massive waste.

Posted on: 2016/9/6 22:43
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Re: Fulop administration silent on mayor's former job
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Reputation definitely not already troubled

Posted on: 2016/9/6 12:20
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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The public did not have use of the Embankment when the bridges were there 12-15 years ago. It was abandoned right of way.

With Green Villan's vision for the Bergen Arches, the Embankment has potential to be part of something even larger. It's worth fighting for.


Couldnt agree more. Even if it takes a while, better than developing it like every other usable plot in the city for condos and luxury rentals

Posted on: 2016/9/5 15:17
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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rebuilding the bridges and fences along with the upkeep on them is a large cost. razing it and making them ground level parks would be a lot less costly in the long run if you really want another park. personally, i'd just rather sell it to a developer at a real price who has to adhere to current or near-current height restrictions and invest the money into infrastructure upgrades that are a lot more needed but a lot less glamorous than a park.

like the sewers that break every. single. year. and are getting more and more overworked as the city grows. but hey, fck me for a little practicality, ammirite?


Youre assuming that funds from selling the property would go directly into infrastracture upgrade which is a major stretch. The city should be doing this anyway.

Selling what remaining open green spaces are still around to fund basic amenities is not a sustainable plan and if you know the area at all, there have been new sewer and wster lines installed on 6th street and surrounding areas past few weeks.

Another park instead of new construction - imagine that practicality.

Posted on: 2016/9/4 8:04
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Re: Drop By Barcade to Support the Embankment Preservation Coalition
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Having a green space the size of the embankment is beneficial in numerous ways to the community.

Not supporting it because its an eyesore ? Very forward thinking

Posted on: 2016/9/3 23:47
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Re: Bergen Arches Proposal Envisions a World Class Cultural Destination in Jersey City
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As much as i want this to stay untouched, its better to have responsible planners that work with community rather than have something detrimental by organizations with no interest in the area outside of profits.


Posted on: 2016/8/23 13:30
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