From the JCBOE agenda for tonight's meeting:

Agenda Item Details
Meeting Mar 17, 2011 - Regular Meeting, 6 p.m.
Category Educational Programs
Subject Approval of acceptance of Donation from Spectra Energy Type Action (Consent)

BE IT RESOLVED, that the Jersey City Board of Education approves to accept a donation from Spectra Energy in the amount of $1,000.00 for Abraham Lincoln High School.

Originator: Ellen M. Ruane, Associate Superintendent

http://www.boarddocs.com/nj/jcps/Boar ... goto?open&id=8ERQZX6A9D74

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The Union doing the yapping in the ad is based in Ridgefield NJ and not JC. They're kinda a few miles outside of the blast radius. I don't begrudge Ridgefield folks looking for work. Might as well though have Martians assuring JC pipeline safety for all it matters to Ridgefield...

Wyoming plagued by big-city problem: smog
By MEAD GRUVER, Associated Press Mead Gruver, Associated Press 34 mins ago

CHEYENNE, Wyo. ? Wyoming, famous for its crisp mountain air and breathtaking, far-as-the-eye-can-see vistas, is looking a lot like smoggy Los Angeles these days because of a boom in natural gas drilling.

Folks who live near the gas fields in the western part of this outdoorsy state are complaining of watery eyes, shortness of breath and bloody noses because of ozone levels that have exceeded what people in L.A. and other major cities wheeze through on their worst pollution days.

"It is scary to me personally. I never would have guessed in a million years you would have that kind of danger here," Debbee Miller, a manager at a Pinedale snowmobile dealership, said Monday.

In many ways, it's a haze of prosperity: Gas drilling is going strong again, and as a result, so is the Cowboy State's economy. Wyoming enjoys one of the nation's lowest unemployment rates, 6.4 percent. And while many other states are running up monumental deficits, lawmakers are projecting a budget surplus of more than $1 billion over the coming year in this state of a half-million people.

Still, in the Upper Green River Basin, where at least one daycare center called off outdoor recess and state officials have urged the elderly to avoid strenuous outdoor activity, some wonder if they've made a bargain with the devil. Two days last week, ozone levels in the gas-rich basin rose above the highest levels recorded in the biggest U.S. cities last year.

"They're trading off health for profit. It's outrageous. We're not a Third World country," said Elaine Crumpley, a retired science teacher who lives just outside Pinedale.

Preliminary data show ozone levels last Wednesday got as high as 124 parts per billion. That's two-thirds higher than the Environmental Protection Agency's maximum healthy limit of 75 parts per billion and above the worst day in Los Angeles all last year, 114 parts per billion, according to EPA records. Ozone levels in the basin reached 116 on March 1 and 104 on Saturday.

The Wyoming Department of Environmental Quality urged the elderly, children and people with respiratory conditions to avoid strenuous or extended activity outdoors.

The Children's Discovery Center in Pinedale set up indoor obstacle courses and turned kids loose on computers instead of letting them out on the playground in the afternoon.

High levels of ozone happen in the Upper Green River Basin only during the winter. They result from a combination of gas industry emissions, snow on the ground, bright sunshine and temperature inversions, in which cool air near the ground is covered by a layer of warmer air. Pollution builds up during the day and becomes visible along the horizon as a thin layer of brown smudge ? smog ? by midafternoon.

People have noticed the air just isn't as clear as it once was.

"It's like maybe when you're not wearing your glasses when you ought to be," said Miller, whose daily commute from her log home includes an eight-mile snowmobile ride just to get to a plowed road.

The gas industry has drilled hundreds of wells in the basin over the past decade and made the basin one of the top gas-producing areas in the U.S.

"Ultimately it comes down to accountability," said Linda Baker, director of the Upper Green River Alliance. "It doesn't seem to me the companies are being very accountable to the residents here." High ozone, she said, gave her a constant nosebleed three days last week.

Crumpley, 68, reported having difficulty on walks and showshoe trips. "You feel a tightness in your chest. You seem to be less able to hold in air. My eyes burn and water constantly, and I've had nosebleed problems," she said.

Drilling of new wells, routine maintenance and gas-field equipment release substances that contribute to ozone pollution, including volatile organic compounds and nitrogen oxides. Last week's ozone alerts weren't the first in the basin ? they also occurred in 2008 and 2009 ? but they were the first in more than two years.

Gas industry officials say they are working hard to curb smog by reducing truck traffic and switching to drilling rigs with pollution control equipment. They have also postponed well completions and routine maintenance until the ozone advisories have passed, said Shell spokeswoman Darci Sinclair.

"Shell has taken some meaningful measures to really reduce our measures. Some were voluntary and some were mandatory, but they've resulted in some significant reductions," Sinclair said.

Indeed, gas industry emissions that contribute to ozone pollution, as reported by the petroleum companies themselves, are down by as much as 25 percent in the Upper Green River Basin since 2008, said Keith Guille, spokesman for the Department of Environmental Quality. Gas production in the basin is up 8 percent over that time.

Gov. Matt Mead, state regulators and industry representatives met on Monday to talk about what else companies can do to control pollution.

"We talked about the effectiveness of these contingency plans. We've seen them, they are good. However, we haven't been able to prevent these exceedances," Guille said.

Crumpley said the warnings to stay indoors are hard to take.

"We're all outdoor people here. We don't live inside," she said. "That's why we chose to be here."

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Bingo.

And if the Feds (FERC) allow it, they will put their consulting opportunities with the gas industry ahead of our safety, too.

And then we will see if the courts in this country are really impartial...

When it comes to litigation I will donate to NoGasPipeline and I urge others to do likewise.

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That's not an answer. Those are almost random words with some correlation to the question that do not actually answer the question. Such a wide body of water? Major gas pipelines (bigger and smaller than this one) are laid in the Gulf of Mexico, the North Sea, the Gulf of Thailand, the Atlantic Ocean (do I need to continue?) and travel hundreds of miles. So, no - the Hudson River does not pose an unusual challenge.

The horizontal drilling approach Spectra was able to use elsewhere is probably not appropriate here. There are, however, other approaches such as utilizing pipelaying boats. Again, it comes down to expense - which really shouldn't be our problem.

According to the port authority, the other pipeline companies that bid on the project proposed keeping the line in the river the entire way from Staten Island, so crossing the PATH tracks wasn't an issue. Spectra won the bid because they were the low-cost bidder. They were the low-cost bidder because they chose the land route - putting their profits ahead of your safety. It really is that simple. Of course companies exist to generate profits - but there has to be a line beyond which they shouldn't be allowed to pursue those profits, such as when they endanger the lives of disinterested third parties, no?

They did "answer" the question about going thru the water... from a prior reply in this thread:

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Whatever that means... ::shrug::

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I agree - and if the pipeline is moved to the Hudson River there will be even more jobs!
Lets tell people at Spectra to go soak their heads!!!

Why won't they (Spectra) answer this question: what is the difference in jobs if the pipeline goes entirely in the river instead of the proposed route? Why don't they have a commercial explaining that? Why didn't the city council directly ask that question when they had ladyfinger sandwiches with Spectra at the caucus meeting the week before last?

So to recap:

Pipeline goes through the river instead of Jersey City:

As many or more jobs than with the proposed route. (check)
Manhattan gets its gas. (check)
Safety and property values maintained in Jersey City. (check)
Spectra profitability remains the same. (Oh - no, that's the only part that changes.)

Hello - Governor Christie, FERC and President Obama: why would anyone consider putting Spectra's shareholders income ahead of the lives, safety and economic stability of 250,000+ people???

Have you seen the new Specta Energy Commercial with all the "hype" about JOBS JOBS JOBS and for JERSEY CITY???
Please none of these people even live in JC....nor do they care what it does to JC....they are Union workers yapping about JOBS JOBS JOBS,,,yeah, but not for us...for them. They don't live here nor do they care what happens here...It's the Union at its best.....screw us and save them- NOT HAPPENING in my opinion.....yeah they want to work and so do we, but not on the PIPELINE!

Today Diane Rehm show on NPR:

Drilling for Natural Gas: Rewards and Risks

10 A.M. (ET) ON AIR NOW

More sophisticated drilling techniques are unlocking this country's enormous reserves of natural gas. But many say environmental concerns ? including radioactive waste water ? have yet to be fully addressed. Efforts to reduce the risks of extracting natural gas.

Can listen here:
( Click link below )

http://thedianerehmshow.org/

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Also the New York Times just ran a huge article:
( Click link below )

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/us/27gas.html

Proposed extension of gas line through densely populated northeastern N.J. has critics, proponents

Sunday, February 27, 2011, 8:43 AM
By Steve Strunsky/The Star-Ledger

JERSEY CITY ? Kirsten Greene will be rooting for "Gasland" on Oscar night.

The Jersey City mother did editing work on the documentary, a highly critical look at the controversial gas-extraction process known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," which involves the injection of a toxic mix of water, sand and chemicals into bore holes to fracture shale formations and free up pockets of methane.

The industry has criticized "Gasland" as inaccurate and misleading, while others have hailed the film, which took home a Special Jury Prize at the Sundance Film Festival last summer and is up for an Academy Award tonight.

But Greene has more than professional reasons to hope for the Oscar.

Spectra Energy Corp. of Houston has asked federal regulators to let it extend the Texas Eastern natural gas pipeline from Linden to New York City, including a 15.5-mile stretch of 30-inch pipe that would travel the length of Bayonne and Jersey City before turning east near the Hoboken border and heading across the Hudson.

The proposal has sparked fierce opposition by parents and mayors, business people and environmentalists, who fear a pipeline explosion in such a densely populated, highly traveled area would have devastating consequences.

Spectra?s videos and glossy brochures assuring the pipeline will be one of the safest ever built do little to assuage those fears, especially after disasters such as a gas explosion in Allentown, Pa., that killed five people earlier this month, and one in San Bruno, Calif., in September that killed eight.

So Greene welcomes any additional attention that a "Gasland" Oscar would focus on the industry, even though Spectra, a gas-transmission company not directly involved in fracking, was not a target of the film.

"You can?t look into the issue of hydrofracking without coming across the pipeline disasters as well," said Greene, who lives a few blocks from the Holland Tunnel with her husband, Leon, and their sons, Gavin, 6, and Skyler, 4.

The Texas Eastern pipeline, which cuts across New Jersey?s midsection from Hunterdon County to Union County, is part of a complex network of underground transmission lines crisscrossing the state. An existing interstate gas pipeline runs along Jersey City?s West Side, according to Spectra?s project director, Ed Gonzales. Ironically, while security experts say gas pipelines are not an attractive target for terrorists, officials say their precise locations are no longer publicized due to security concerns after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

New Jersey?s one-call system ? which, like those in place in other states, gives excavators one phone number to find out the precise location of all pipelines ? protects the lines from being hit. But accidents do happen. In fact, hundreds of "hits" occur every year. And while most are minor, some are fatal.

Three people were killed in a gas explosion in Bergenfield in December 2005. In 1994, a blast of volcanic proportions destroyed eight buildings in the Durham Woods apartment complex in Edison. No one was killed in the blast, but a nearby resident died of a heart attack.

The Spectra proposal is being weighed by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which has jurisdiction over land-based pipeline projects. Technically, the application was filed jointly by a Spectra subsidiary, Algonquin Gas Transmission LLC, and Texas Eastern Transmission LP, under an arrangement in which Algonquin would construct the pipeline extension and lease it to Texas Eastern.

Spectra?s is among three pipeline applications pending in New Jersey. Gov. Chris Christie vetoed one of them, a liquid natural gas distribution facility proposed for the Atlantic Ocean off Asbury Park, wielding the veto power governors have over proposals involving coastal waters.

While the Spectra route crosses the Arthur Kill and Lower Newark Bay, the federal energy commission retains sole jurisdiction over the application, said Tamara Young-Allen, an agency spokeswoman. Young-Allen said there is no time frame for a decision, though Spectra hopes to begin work on the $857 million project by spring 2012 and complete it in fall 2013. She said "the commission will look at all the facts and consider all the comments before making a decision."

A spokesman for Christie, Michael Drewniak, said the governor has not taken a position on the Spectra plan. But the state?s Department of Environmental Protection and Board of Public Utilities have filed as intervenors in the case, entitling them to appeal the commission?s decision. Neither agency has a stated position on the pipeline.

"We wanted the relevant state agencies to have a seat at the table to ensure that the public interest is protected," Drewniak said.

Meanwhile, Spectra has waged a public relations campaign that includes direct mailings, TV commercials and videos posted on a website, yesgaspipeline.org, launched to counter one by opponents, nogaspipeline.org.

The company took its case to the Jersey City Council Tuesday night. An informal presentation was led by Gonzales, who handed council members a section of ?-inch steel pipe that would be used for the pipeline, noting it was far thicker than the decades-old pipe pierced in Allentown and San Bruno.

To address any terror threat posed by the pipeline, Spectra hired the Chertoff Group, a consulting firm headed by Michael Chertoff, a former U.S. attorney for New Jersey and homeland security secretary under President George W. Bush. Jay Cohen, an undersecretary for science and technology under Chertoff who then joined his firm, told council members the pipeline would not be an attractive target because terrorists prefer what he called "iconic structures."

Pointing up the sensitivity of the issue in Jersey City, Councilman Ray Velazquez told Cohen residents had watched the iconic towers of the World Trade Center burn directly across the Hudson on 9/11.

More than a hundred members of the public turned out, including families with children who oppose the pipeline, but also union workers who support it.

Spectra says the path of the pipeline avoids residential neighborhoods by hewing closely to Route 440 in Bayonne and the New Jersey Turnpike extension in Jersey City ? a modified route submitted in response to residents? concerns. The pipeline would be as shallow as 3 feet underground in some parts, though sections would run as deep as 60 feet, laid using a boring technique known as horizontal directional drilling that avoids the surface disruption of trenches. Gonzales said the pipeline would come no closer than 40 feet from any above-ground structure, and would be at least 250 feet from the nearest school, Ferris High School, where it would lie 60 feet underground.

Safeguards include a foot-thick layer of yellow-tinted concrete and a strip of plastic tape above the pipeline to warn backhoe operators to stop digging.

The proposal would boost the supply of natural gas to the region by up to 800 million cubic feet of gas per day. It could also boost Spectra?s bottom line. Earlier this month, the company reported its profits rose 34 percent in 2010, to $1.2 billion, thanks to the completion of other expansion projects and rising gas prices.

For the region?s energy consumers, including those in New Jersey, Spectra said the project would lower the price of gas and improve air quality by reducing coal and oil consumption.

"Consumers will have an additional supply source, and it will lower the price that they will have to pay," to heat their homes and fire their stoves, Bill Yardley, a Spectra vice president, said in an interview last month. Echoing Gonzales? pledge to the city council, Yardley said, "We want to build the best pipeline possible."

But to opponents, even the best pipeline possible is still a pipeline.

"You remember what happened in Edison 16 years ago?" Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy said. "The flames were shooting 400 feet in the air."

A comment period that ended on Jan. 26 drew more than 200 motions to intervene in the process. Opponents include the Newark-based Eastern Environmental Law Center and the New Jersey Sierra Club. High-profile individuals to file opposition to the plan include Josh Fox, the writer, producer, cameraman and star of "Gasland."

There was even a second Oscar nominee to file as an intervenor: Mark Ruffalo, up for best supporting actor for his performance in "The Kids are All Right," has a house in the Marcellus Shale gas drilling region in upstate New York and is an outspoken critic of fracking. In an e-mail to The Star-Ledger, Ruffalo said that among its others risks, the pipeline would be a target for terrorists.

"Not to mention that gas line explosions happening every day throughout the U.S.A. makes it all the more insane," the actor and activist wrote. "An explosion in such a densely populated area would have a catastrophic outcome."

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey filed as an intervenor, expressing its concerns without taking sides.

"PANYNJ facilities, infrastructure, property intersects and planned transportation projects are on, directly adjacent to or traversed by the proposed pipeline route," the agency stated. "PANYNJ will not compromise the safety of the public or the PANYNJ tenants, employees, or assets."

Supporters include Con Edison, which has more than a million gas customers in New York; the city of Linden, where a stretch of aging pipeline will be replaced by newer, safer pipe; and members of Pipefitters Union Local 274, based in Ridgefield, who would fill some of the project?s estimated 500 construction jobs.

"Nobody wants anything in their backyard, but if we?re going to grow, we need the infrastructure," said John Wende, business manager for Local 274.

Greene, the "Gasland" editor, said she can?t believe it?s gotten this far.

"We?re baffled," she said. "We?re simply baffled that the federal government would even consider putting the pipeline in."

Come on!! The technology is so safe!! Ask Dick Cheney!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/0 ... ion-idUSN2426114720110224

Most of the jobs will be given to specialists from outside Jersey City. Whatever. The construction of this thing will tear up the city. It will be a disaster all around.

That dude from Chertoff Consulting wasted 30 minutes in the Caucus meeting telling us how they hired someone to simulate setting off a bomb over the pipeline and it did not rupture. What about the million other ways a pipeling can be sabatoged especially at the 3 venting stations that will release toxic gas? If a terrorist had a hammer and a lighter they could do some damage there.

It was determined that PSE&G caused the San Bruno, CA gas explosion by running too much pressure through the pipe and the motive was profit. Same thing happened with BP too much production for profit. Does anyone trust spectra with a pipe they say can handle more than 1000psi?

That Caucus was filmed by JC1TV using taxpayer money. It will look like a two hour infomercial promoting Spectra because 95% of the content is presented by Spectra. Half of what they said was a lie and the public interest was not represented on issues like danger, risk, hazard, pollution, traffic congestion, environmental impact, energy alternatives, property values, etc.

JC1TV will show the film on Comcast, is there any way to stop that from being aired? Can we get the film Gasland on that same comcast channel? Spectra is paying for TV commericals on Comcast, the City of Jersey City sponsored a Caucus meeting packed with false information from Spectra. Now they want to air a free Spectra infomercial.

These Chertoff folks are simply lying to us based on their own published intel....


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http://chertoffgroup.com/cgroup/?s=pipeline

If GAS pipelines are not a target why is the Nadym GAS pipeline junction mentioned by Chertoff under Vital Sites Vunerable to Terrorism in response to wikileaks??? Do they even have access to google - search for terror+gas+pipeline.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi ... is_20050317/ai_n13243423/

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Other google results.

http://www.ogi-tm.com/ogi_threats_st.php

http://www.ogi-tm.com/ogi_latest_threats.php

http://www.heritage.org/research/repo ... gainst-america-since-9-11


http://www.globalintelligencereport.c ... the-Next-Terrorist-Target

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Not true. There has been NYC community uproar as they only found out about the pipeline when Spectra formally filed on Dec 20th.

NO Gas Pipeline is part of a coalition that involves both NYC and NY State community groups including Damascus Citizens Group, who Director Josh Fox dedicated his Oscar nominated film, Gaslands to for their excellent work nationally on fracking.

This NYC group will soon have a major press release.
Sane Energy Project

Thanks for the info, and yes, I am already signed up for updates from No Gas Pipeline!


My jaw is currently dropped. Am watching MSNBC and just witness a preposterous ad (paid for by Spectra Energy) in support of the pipeline in Jersey City. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Quote: No, that was it! Spectra was asked by Councilman Fulop over a year ago to hold their presentation in City Hall Council chambers with a Q&A forum and they refused. Instead they purposely scheduled to appear only at a city council caucus meeting knowing that council rules do not permit the public to ask questions, only observe. At least the council did move it from the small caucus room that holds maybe 30 to the large council chambers of last night. Go to our site, sign up for alerts by clicking that button to get further updates of what you may do to stop the pipeline from going through Jersey City. Only our site alerts you as to latest update. The next event is FERC's issue of an EIS (Environmental Impact Statement) for public comments in writing or on FERC's site, This could start as early as Feb 26th to as late as April 26th. FERC then gives the public 30 days to comment on the EIS. After public comments, FERC makes it's final ruling. After ruling, any who filed as intervenors, such as our group, may file to sue FERC to overturn their ruling in Federal Court. www.nogaspipeline.org

Quote:no, because it doesn't really go "in" to Manhattan. It just stops at the waterfront where they have their plant.

Everyone that owns a house or condo in JC will see their property values plummet and the tax rates go up to make up for the lost revenue if this goes in.

Has there been any uproar on the other side of the river, where the pipeline comes into Manhattan?

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really, Frank? the *safest* things on Earth? because I bet I could come up with something safer. like...not putting the pipeline in.

Jersey City Pipeline Provokes Heated Debate By IDA SIEGAL - NBC News - New York Updated 8:24 AM EST, Wed, Feb 23, 2011

View more videos at: http://www.nbcnewyork.com.

Twenty miles of pipeline that would extend from New Jersey to New York brought a hundred people out to a Jersey City city council caucus Tuesday evening. Spectra Energy - the company proposing to build the natural gas pipeline - presented its plan and took questions from council members. The primary question: Can the company guarantee the pipeline is safe? "A failure in any area of Jersey City would be catastrophic," said Councilman Michael Sottolano. "It's just not an area where that type of risk should be taken." Councilmembers point to the deadly gas pipeline explosion in San Bruno California last year as evidence of the danger involved. San Bruno is much less densly population that Jersey City which inhabits 120,000 people per square mile. Ed Gonzalez, Project Director from Spectra Energy insists the company has gone above and beyond what's required of it to ensure safety. "This will be one of the safest pipelines built in the United States," said Gonzalez. The pipeline would run for 20 miles from Bayonne, N.J., to Jersey City, under the Hudson River and then into Manhattan. It would be situated 60 feet below ground with a more durable piping material that's twice as thick as the pipe that exploded in San Bruno. Union workers are for the project, including Jimmy Black from Local 825. "With this economy today we need to put guys to work... I'd put this in the backyard any day. You'd put the pipe in your back yard? Yeah." But a number of councilmembers and residents are not convinced and fear not only an accident, but a terrorist attack. "They can say its not a terrorist target. They can say they're not worried about terrorism. We live here. We're concerned about terrorism," said Councilman Ray Velasquez. But the Jersey City Council does not have the ultimate say. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is expected to make a decision by the end of the year

Jersey City council members listen to Spectra Energy's assurances that proposed gas pipeline would be safe and likely wouldn't be target for terrorists

Wednesday, February 23, 2011
By TERRENCE T. McDONALD - JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Jersey City City Council members grilled Spectra Energy officials at last night's council caucus, where the Houston-based energy firm answered questions about its controversial gas pipeline proposal in front of an audience of more than 100 residents, union members and elected officials.

Spectra officials said repeatedly the pipeline that they want to run through portions of Bayonne, Jersey City and offshore Hoboken would be the safest in North America. But council members weren't buying it.

Councilman Michael Sottolano referenced a gas pipe explosion in Allentown, Pa., that killed five people earlier this month, saying he "couldn't absorb" the kind of damage a similar explosion would inflict on denser Jersey City.

Councilman David Donnelly aired similar concerns.

"I don't think you realize how dense this area is. It just boggles the mind," Donnelly told Spectra officials.

Spectra Energy project director Ed Gonzalez, who led the presentation, argued that the proposed pipeline would create more than 2,000 jobs and provide the region with a clean source of energy. And the pipeline would not be a safety risk, Gonzalez said.

"We will exceed federal standards. We will not jeopardize the safety of Jersey City, the residents or affect redevelopment in this city," he said.

The threat of terrorism loomed large for a portion of last night's discussion. Jay Cohen of the Chertoff Group, a security consultant that reviewed Spectra's plan, told council members there is little chance terrorists would target the proposed pipeline.

Members of the Chertoff Group, many of whom spent years working for federal security and intelligence agencies, never heard of any terrorist group targeting gas pipelines, Cohen told the council.

"The terrorists have a wealth of other targets," he said.

This week, Local 825 of the International Union of Operating Engineers, announced its support of the pipeline project, which is under review by federal officials. Union member Frank Hoffman said that he's worked on pipelines his entire life and has never felt they were dangerous.

"The pipelines are the safest things on Earth. They could put one under my house any day," he said.

People!

The Feds are in the pocket of Spectra because they want to get jobs with Spectra after they "retire" from their Fed jobs with generous pensions (see Wisconsin)

You (NJ and federal taxpayers) are being played, big time.

Our only chance is with the courts, and I am not so sure anymore that they are independent, either.

Expect to get screwed, and anything better than that is an unexpected gravy.

its the most @sinsine idea to run a HUGE GAS PIPELINE through a densely populated area like Jersey City! This gas company and the Feds are playing with peoples lives and when the unthinkable happens the Feds and greedy oil corporations will just shrug their shoulders and say "ooops. i'm sawy".

This is not only dangerous to build in a densely populated area it is also terrorists wet dream!

I tell you right now, as a long time resident of Jersey City, if this proposal is pushed through by our dear Feds, Jersey City housing and commercial markets will plummet! Residence don't want a GAS PIPELINE running underneath their homes let alone something this magnitude like a timebomb waiting to explode. It's bad enough homes explodes due to THEIR OWN gas line leakin and explodin what more with this? The Feds is makin Jersey City residence a sacrificial lambs. Thank God I don't own a home . I will get out and leave if this will push through.

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i think the argument was based on the contention that the horizontal drilling approach that they were able to use elsewhere would not work under such a wide body of water because they would not have sufficient number of drilling spaces. yet, they also made the statement that in fact, they are disallowed from crossing the 2 path tubes and the holland tunnel tubes. this is the type of logical arguments that made the spectacle entertaining. it reminded me of my intellectual beacon, vickie pollard.vickie pollardvickie pollard

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that was awesome; if there was a moment that killed the plan, it was the clear signal that spectra's top people were completely unprepared to answer the most obvious question that could be asked at a contentious hearing.

Oh, I also saw a few green shirts returning their signs. They made a nice pile next to the box of green shirts on the table right outside the meeting room.

Not sure who provided the signs or the green shirts.