robotjustin wrote: Yeah, totally, because instituting a tax-based deterrent in the US, a country with basically zero population growth (like most first world industrialized countries, which have zero or negative population growth) will certainly have a GLOBAL effect on the supposed problem of overpopulation, which isn't any way centered in the famously bible-reading, right wing Christian countries like China and India.

However, U.S. population growth is among the highest in industrialized countries

The Census Bureau projects a U.S. population of 439 million in 2050, which is a 46% increase from 2007 (301.3 million

darenot wrote:
SF writer Jerry Pournelle proposed in a novel that any food provided by public assistance be laced with contraceptives. You needed to be solvent enough to buy contraceptive free food to have kids. This is kind of a high tech and merciful throwback to pre-socialism where if you couldn't provide the basics for your kids: they died, and Darwin ruled.

robotjustin: Actually, China and India, while huge, are leading the way in plummeting 3rd world fertility rates. Who's leading the fertility race? Koran thumping countries. Gaza, subsisting on aid with virtually no economy of it's own, has one of the worlds highest birth rates. Guess they figure suicide bombers to be an exportable commodity and a growth market.

Xerxes wrote:
It's ridiculous alright, but not as bad as the plan to let ignorant morons procreate at will at a time when the population of the planet approaches 7 billion. And then to REWARD the jackasses with the tax structure because GOD said someting in a Bronze Age book is beyond the pale.

So yes Alec produced a silly idea but one that would improve the situation a lot. THe current siituation is abhorrent.

"Hey honey, there are no jobs, let's have 6 kids!"



On the matter of those who do not make $30,000, if they have two kids they will START to pay taxes even on salaries of $5,000 each because they will each lose $20,000 of their deduction giving them NO deductions (minus ten grand per kid per parent.)

For those who think the planet can support 20 or 30 billion people, go read your bible becasue its simpleminded enough for you to comprehend.

Xerxes wrote:
It's not really too hard:

Give every man and woman a $30,000 standard tax deduction per year. For each child $10,000 is removed from that deduction for each parent. With the 4th child $10,000 is ADDED to the adjusted gross income.

Just WATCH how fast family size drops. "Hey honey, do we want a "bundle of love" enough to pay the tax on $20,000 every year." (Ten grand each.) If the answer is yes, you can believe they will make good caring parents who truly want their child.

To make sure the rich are not encouraged to spawn prodigiously because $10,000 is negligible for them, another constraint to add is to increase the top 2 brackets by 1% for each child PER PARENT...no joint accounts.

Just from a practical point of view, schools cost money, sewage removal costs money, and environmental degradation per person is considerable over a lifetime.

Instead traditional religious power in the United States writes the tax code in exactly the opposite way, rewarding those who breed like roaches.

Xerxes wrote:
It's not really too hard:

Give every man and woman a $30,000 standard tax deduction per year. For each child $10,000 is removed from that deduction for each parent. With the 4th child $10,000 is ADDED to the adjusted gross income.

Just WATCH how fast family size drops. "Hey honey, do we want a "bundle of love" enough to pay the tax on $20,000 every year." (Ten grand each.) If the answer is yes, you can believe they will make good caring parents who truly want their child.

To make sure the rich are not encouraged to spawn prodigiously because $10,000 is negligible for them, another constraint to add is to increase the top 2 brackets by 1% for each child PER PARENT...no joint accounts.

Just from a practical point of view, schools cost money, sewage removal costs money, and environmental degradation per person is considerable over a lifetime.

Instead traditional religious power in the United States writes the tax code in exactly the opposite way, rewarding those who breed like roaches.

ihatethiscity wrote:
you need a license to have a dog you should need a license to have kids. it would stop all the welfare babies and the excessive drain on society they pose and it would help move civilization along. Not everyone should be entitled to pass along their genes. That is a right that should be earned.

MDM wrote:
How would you enforce that? Forced adoptions, sterilizations, and abortions?

MDM wrote:
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bill wrote:
I completely agree, if you need a license to drive, cpr certficiation, first aid certification, etc then there should be something to see if one is suitable to be a fit parent.

How would you enforce that? Forced adoptions, sterilizations, and abortions?

bill wrote:
I completely agree, if you need a license to drive, cpr certficiation, first aid certification, etc then there should be something to see if one is suitable to be a fit parent.