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Just received a certified letter (that required signature) from the lawyers of the Hyman group today announcing the meeting tonight, meaning no one who works outside of the home will receive it. Although I did know about the meeting ahead of time this is a pretty underhanded attempt to suppress turnout. Not surprising whatsoever, but if I had not been checking JC List this week I would not have known about this. Everyone who can please come to City Hall tonight at 6 - we happen to have property right in front of the embankment, but anyone who lives at least 4 or 5 blocks in any direction would be affected by the demolition. Air pollution, potential contaminants, loss of a tremendous water shed, massive traffic issues, historical loss - all bad things.
Posted on: 2010/9/1 14:15
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New Hearing on Steve Hyman’s Applications to Tear Down the Embankment Set for Wednesday
THE DETAILS Special meeting of the Jersey City Zoning Board of Adjustment; Wednesday, September 1 at 6 pm; City Hall’s Council Chambers, 280 Grove St. (2nd Floor). http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/ ... nkment-set-for-wednesday/ In June, Superior Court Judge Maurice Gallipoli ruled that developer Steve Hyman was entitled to a new hearing before the city’s Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA) regarding his petition to tear down the 6th Street Embankment. The ZBA has scheduled a special meeting to hear the case Wednesday evening. Hyman’s initial applications for Certificates of Appropriateness and Certificates of Economic Hardship related to his application to demolish the elevated former rail line were denied by the Historic Preservation Commission (HPC) last spring. Hyman appealed those decisions to the city’s ZBA, which denied his appeals last August. Hyman then filed suit, arguing that he deserved a fresh hearing on his applications, and that he should have been allowed to present his evidence and state his case before the ZBA — an argument Gallipoli agreed with. “The ZBA was required to determine the case ‘completely anew’ and, while giving due deference to the findings and conclusions of the HPC, it was not necessarily to be controlled by them,” Gallipoli wrote. This week’s hearing comes as Hyman maintains he has no interest in selling the Embankment properties to the city, despite the City Council’s July vote approving about $7.6 million in bonds to acquire the contested land.
Posted on: 2010/8/30 17:20
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From an email I got today:
Dear Hamilton Park Community: With little advance notice, the JC Board of Adjustment will be conducting a Special Meeting regarding the 6th Street Embankment this coming Wednesday, September 1 at 6pm at City Hall. It's important for all concerned residents to attend this meeting to express their opposition to opening the Embankment to commercial development.
Posted on: 2010/8/30 16:03
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Owner refuses to sell Sixth Street Embankment
Monday, July 26, 2010 By MELISSA HAYES JOURNAL STAFF WRITER The owner of the Sixth Street Embankment has told Jersey City officials she will not sell the land, despite the City Council voting last week to bond $7.7 million to buy the coveted elevated land. Supporters hoped the bond would bring an end to a years-long dispute over the parcel on Sixth Street between Marin Boulevard and Newark Avenue. But Victoria Hyman, wife of developer Steve Hyman, who purchased the property from Conrail for $3 million in 2003, sent a letter Monday to various city officials saying she doesn't want to sell and hopes to develop the site. "This (proposed development) would make the city money rather than drain the (city's) resources any further while cleaning and gentrifying the area and potentially creating many millions of dollars in new taxes and many full-time jobs," she wrote. The city filed a lawsuit in 2006 arguing that under federal law, Conrail should have offered the site to the city before selling it to Hyman. That lawsuit is still pending. Steve Hyman said the city refused to sign an agreement that would have settled the litigation and resulted in the Hymans' sale of the property to the city. He also said he and the city never agreed on a price. Administration officials declined to comment. "I used to think we needed Dr. Henry Kissinger to get involved as negotiation was complex, but now I think we need Dr. Phil instead," observed Ward E Councilman Steven Fulop, whose district includes the embankment. Hyman presented a plan to the city in 2007 that called for 75 percent of the walls to remain and 1,000 to 1,500 residential units, in addition to a light rail link and public park. His wife said they're still committed to providing a park alongside the development. Victoria Hyman said she hopes to develop the land into something like the High Line, a New York City park on a former elevated freight line. The Embankment Preservation Coalition and Rails-to-Trails Conservancy have been fighting to turn the parcel into a park with trails. Jersey City officials have said they want it to connect NJ Transit Light Rail on the waterfront with Journal Square.
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i disagree. why fight over "just compensation" when the jerk has no right to the property in the first place? let the current process put the property back on auction.
also, it's cute how hyman said she supports gentrification. nobody told her it's a dirty word? and nobody told her hamilton park doesn't need it?
Posted on: 2010/7/22 13:15
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I was in no way down with the use of eminent domain in Brooklyn recently. Kicking people and businesses out for Ratner — no thank you.
But coronalime and hero69 said it. 1,500 residential units?!
Posted on: 2010/7/21 23:40
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1500 units? Isn't that an issue for the zoning board to decide? Without the formerly available pay-to-play options it seems like a pipe dream.
Posted on: 2010/7/21 19:34
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+1 It's time to quit dicking around with these guys and just take the damn thing already.
Posted on: 2010/7/21 18:48
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Isn't there a reason we have eminent domain
Posted on: 2010/7/21 18:45
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Owner of Jersey City embankment says she's building housing; apparently rejecting city's bid for property
Published: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 4:40 PM Melissa Hayes/The Jersey Journal The owner of the Sixth Street Embankment has told Jersey City officials she will not sell the land, despite the City Council voting last week to bond $7.7 million to buy the coveted elevated land. Supporters hoped the bond would bring an end to a years-long dispute over the parcel on Sixth Street between Marin Boulevard and Newark Avenue. But Victoria Hyman, wife of developer Steve Hyman, who purchased the property from Conrail for $3 million in 2003, sent a letter Monday to various city officials saying she doesn't want to sell and hopes to develop the site. "This (proposed development) would make the city money rather than drain the (city's) resources any further while cleaning and gentrifying the area and potentially creating many millions of dollars in new taxes and many full time jobs," she wrote. The city filed a lawsuit in 2006 arguing that under federal law, Conrail should have offered the site to the city before selling it to Hyman. That lawsuit is still pending. Steve Hyman said the city refused to sign an agreement that would have settled the litigation and finalized the sale. He also said he and the city never agreed on a selling price. Administration officials declined to comment. "I used to think we needed Dr. Henry Kissinger to get involved as negotiation was complex, but now I think we need Dr. Phil instead," observed Ward E Councilman Steven Fulop, whose district includes the embankment. Hyman presented a plan to the city in 2007 that called for 75 percent of the walls to remain and 1,000 to 1,500 residential units, in addition to a light rail link and public park. His wife said they're still committed to providing a park alongside the residential development. In her letter, Hyman's wife said she hopes to develop the embankment into something like the High Line, a New York City park on a former elevated freight line. "Preserving some of the Embankment walls would be a priority along with a park, walking trail and the reality of helping to connect Journal Square to the waterfront with Conrail's help," she wrote. The Embankment Preservation Coalition and Rails-to-Trails Conservancy have been fighting to turn the parcel into a park with trails. Jersey City officials have said they want it to connect NJ Transit Light Rail on the waterfront with Journal Square.
Posted on: 2010/7/21 17:03
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Interesting article. It didn't mention Paris which has done FAR more with its abandoned elevated tracks and rail stations than NY. Also, Chicago might not have as many private philanthropists, but it has a lot of civic pride
Posted on: 2010/7/18 12:47
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I guess quality of life doesn't resonate with some people.
Posted on: 2010/7/17 20:56
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JC Planning Board. Take note. Great slideshow.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/art ... p=2&sq=High%20Line&st=cse
Posted on: 2010/7/16 9:47
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Obviously the concept of "wasting money" is something park-lovers refuse to accept. They consider it "investing money" etc.
From a normal park, the city foregoes property taxes/ ratables. Those parks require maintenance of the normal type. The Embankment would require a special, separate kind of maintenance if it were to become a park. Being a special park, it could conceivably generate donations, plaque-based sponsorship of the stone blocks, licensing revenue, concert/ wedding reception fees (at Holy Rosary and St. Michael's). Those would probably not pay for the union steelworker/ bridgebuilder jobs, let alone the iron itself. For me, the ideal use is to put a light rail on Sixth Street (ideally an old-style historic trolley) and make the park walkable akin to the High Line. Why bring the light rail up hill and make the whole neighborhood hear it, only to bring it down again six blocks later? Just put the damn thing on Sixth and make sure there's a way-station for laying up when the other train passes by. At the same time, make the park a walkable, connected one. Practical/ fiscal feasibility and political machinations will stand in the way of all that for awhile.
Posted on: 2010/7/16 6:37
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I've stated many, many times in this thread what a terrible waste of money a highline-style park would be. IF IF IF this gets used for a lightrail extension, I'm for that, however I remain skeptical that it will get used for something so practical and sensible. Let's just say that when you've lived here for as many decades as I have, you become just a tad pessimistic about JC actually doing something smart.
Posted on: 2010/7/16 4:36
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You're entitled to your opinion. However, in the context of why this money is being used, I'm curious how you can make such a flippant remark in the context of why this was voted for approval: * 6 For * 1 Against * 2 Abstained Let's hear your reasoning if you "think, you know why this was finally approved after 12 years. As I stated above, we now have both the support to negotiate with Hyman's wife OR he can wait till the District Court rules in our favor.
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Great use of money.
Posted on: 2010/7/15 19:18
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what a waste of money
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Jersey City Council approves $7.7 million bond to buy Sixth Street Embankment
Published: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 12:38 PM Updated: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 3:50 PM Melissa Hayes/The Jersey Journal The Jersey City Council narrowly passed a bond ordinance that would provide up to $7.7 million to purchase the Sixth Street Embankment. The ordinance passed in a 6-1-2 vote. Bond measures need six votes to pass. Twenty-six speakers from an array of community groups packed the City Council chambers despite the meeting being held at 10 a.m. "We're just very thankful to the City Council for seeing that our vision is viable and an asset to everyone in the city," said Stephen Gucciardo, president of the Sixth Street Embankment Coalition, which has fought for the project for the last decade. Councilman Bill Gaughan voted against the measure saying he couldn't support spending money when the city is facing a $56 million deficit and looking to institute 12 more furlough days and further layoff staff. Gaughan said he was also concerned that Developer Steve Hyman, whose wife purchased the site from Conrail in 2005, hasn't given the city an asking price in writing. He also questioned the city's ability to transform the city into a future park and NJ Transit Light Rail line. Councilwomen Willie Flood and Viola Richardson abstained. But the other six council members supported the measure, saying grant funds will help pay for the project. Several of those supporters told the community that approving the bond is just one step in a long-fought battle that still must be resolved. "It's another step in the process, but we are definitely getting closer," Downtown Councilman Steven Fulop said. Council President Peter Brennan cast the sixth vote to adopt the bond ordinance. "It's a tough decision we have to make today, bonding for $7.7 million at a time when the city is facing tax increases, a lot of tough issues here. But the Healy Administration is committed to open space," he said. Brennan added, "We're doing our share putting the $7.7 million aside, now maybe Mr. Hyman will come to the plate."
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Fantastic news for JC! ...and for Hyman too. He could double his investment is he takes the deal with the city. Even if the land is "worth" 30 million. I'd hedge my bets, take the money and run.
Posted on: 2010/7/14 17:00
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Thanks for everyone for coming out, showing your support and speaking up on behalf of the 6th St Embankment.
The vote to finance the purchase of the Embankment was approved by 6 Yes 1 No 2 Abstained. This was the 2nd reading of the Ordinance so now the City Council has approved the go-ahead to get the monies and to negotiate with Hyman as to price up to the approved amount of "issuance of $7,647,000 in general improvement bonds or notes of the City of Jersey City to finance the same. (Sixth Street Embankment)" Hyman will have a deadline to take the money and run (the carrot) OR if the court case working it's way through the US District Court in DC determines he does not own the Embankment since it was purchased illegally, then the City can buy it at the original offer price by Conrail. Time is running out for Hyman....  Quote:
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Sorry that I am working and cannot attend.
Quick, somewhat related question: the foot paths adjacent to the Embankment along 6th Street are an overgrown mess. Anyone know whom to call to request that the grass be cut?
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July 14th 10 AM Wednesday City Hall, 280 Grove Street The City Council will vote to finance the purchase of the Historic Harsimus Stem Railroad Embankment Quote: Greetings!
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Jersey City council backs purchasing Sixth Street Embankment for use as park and Light Rail link
Published: Friday, June 25, 2010 The Jersey Journal The Sixth Street Embankment in Jersey City. The Jersey City council voted Wednesday night to introduce an ordinance that would allow the city to bond $7.65 million and spend up to $7.7 million to purchase the Sixth Street Embankment, an elevated tract of land Downtown, for use as a park and future Light Rail link, according to The Jersey Journal's Melissa Hayes in today's editions. The funding, according to Ward E. Councilman Steven Fulop, could pave the way for acquiring the land from developer Steve Hyman, whose wife Victoria purchased it from Contrail in 2005. The city has been in court with Conrail over the land sale since 2006. The city filed a lawsuit in 2006 arquing that under federal law, Conrail should have offered the site to the city before selling it for $3 million to Hyman's wife, Victoria. The potential sale of the Embankment would end the court procedures pending in that case.
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Let's the city makes the right decision, for once. The embankment could be a major catalyst for JC's future.
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Jersey City council members to vote tomorrow on $7.65 million bond to finance purchase of Sixth Street Embankment
The Jersey Journal Tuesday, June 22, 2010 The Jersey City council will vote tomorrow on a $7.65 million bond ordinance that could bring to an end a years-long lawsuit over an elevated parcel of Downtown land. The City Council met in executive session for an hour last night to discuss the Sixth Street Embankment, which is slated for development but which the city wants as a park. The bond ordinance would allow the city to spend up to $7.7 million to acquire the 6.5-acre elevated land tract along Sixth Street between Marin Boulevard and Brunswick Street. The ordinance notes that the city is anticipating $6.6 million in grants, including $1.6 million from the state Green Acres program, $3.5 million from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, $1 million from the county's open space program and $500,000 from the New York/New Jersey Baykeeper. The city, along with the Rails to Trails Conservancy and the Embankment Preservation Coalition, sued Conrail for selling the land to the wife of developer Steve Hyman for $3 million in 2005. Hyman wants to build residential units there, while the city wants to preserve it for green space and a Light Rail link. Conrail is expected to contribute additional funds on top of the city's $7.65 million. City Council members made no comments following the executive session and Hyman had little to say. "We've got to wait and see what happens Wednesday," he said. The city filed a lawsuit in 2006 arguing that under federal law Conrail should have offered the site to the city before selling it to a developer. In 2007, the federal Surface Transportation Board agreed with the city,But Hyman took the case to the U.S. Court of Appeals, which threw out the board's decision. MELISSA HAYES
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![Click to see original Image in a new window](javascript:CaricaFoto("http://media.nj.com/hudson_voices_impact/photo/highlinejpg-cda3dd9370205d21_large.jpg"); "Click to see original Image in a new window") Could Jersey City's Sixth Street Embankment become another High Line? Saturday, June 12, 2010, 7:36 PM The Jersey Journal NYC Department of Parks & Recreation The High Line in New York City is on an unused elevated rail bridge. It is what Jersey City's Sixth Street Embankment could become, with more greenery. If you wonder why people in Jersey City are fighting for the city to acquire the Downtown Sixth Street railroad embankment, think New York City's High Line. You don't know what that is? OK, take a look at it through the eyes of a tourist. In this case, a visitor from The Statesman newspaper from Austin, Texas, who reports on the High Line. As reported: "There are occasional restrooms, along with benches for reading and resting. Bikes, skateboards and the like are banned; this is entirely a pedestrian park." Understand that many of the amenities mentioned in this piece do not exist in Jersey City, but there are neighborhood eateries. Should the Sixth Street embankment park become a reality, it could trigger many positive changes matching what is found on the High Line.
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Mediation and Litigation Status
For followers of our petition to the Surface Transportation Board (STB) regarding rail line abandonment, the STB decisions favorable to our position, and subsequent litigation, here's an update. Some months ago, Jersey City, Rails-to-Trails Conservancy, and the Coalition, on one side, and Conrail and its developer, on the other, agreed to mediation and a stay in state and federal proceedings. Although settlement prospects seemed favorable in January, the process apparently broke down thereafter, and the parties are proceeding in U.S. District Court, District of Columbia. Simultaneously, the City is actively engaged in the preparatory work to draw on various funding opportunities to acquire the property. The New Jersey Attorney General has been granted intervention in the federal case to defend the constitutionality of a New Jersey statute affording cities a kind of first refusal right over otherwise-to-be-abandoned rail property. The City may use the state statute to acquire the property. In the meantime, on the local level, our adversaries appealed Historic Preservation Commission and Zoning Board of Adjustment decisions that denied them permits to demolish the historic Embankment. A ruling has not yet been made. On May 17, the STB, noting that Conrail had evidently made sales and transfers of property in another Jersey City line (Lehigh Valley line) without STB authorization, announced that it was instituting aninvestigation of Conrail's abandonment practices.
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