o73o2 wrote:
these are the relevant parts of the nj statues...

finding information on recall election or elections in nj is not easy ...

1. recall election
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the relevant law is the Uniform Recall Election Law, Chapter 105, Laws of 1995 (N.J.S.A. 19-:27A-1 et seq.), and the law can be accessed
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A4000/3621_I1.HTM

the relevant section, 19:27A-5. Recall petition; signatures required, states
"5. A recall petition demanding that an election be held for the purpose of deciding whether an elected official shall be recalled from office shall be signed by a number of registered voters of the jurisdiction of the official sought to be recalled equal to at least 25% of the persons registered to vote in that jurisdiction on the date of the general election preceding the date on which the sponsors of the petition file a notice of intention pursuant to section 6 of this act. A recall petition shall be filed with the appropriate recall election official. No recall petition shall demand the holding of an election to recall more than one elected official. "

2. the number of registered voters in jc
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in 2008, there were 139,158 registered voters in jc.
http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/elec ... owns_GEN2008_20081117.pdf

so in 160 days, 25% of the registered voters in jersey city have to sign the petition to recall. So, one needs to have roughly 35,000+ signatures.

let's do the math ... 35,000/160 = 219 signatures per day for 160 days ... and considering a 10% spillage, cheating, and all other contingencies, one would need only 240 signatures a day.

what can i say?

3. additional information
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there is information at
http://www.joemustgo.net/Assets/elect ... truction-sheet-123108.pdf

the memo states "SIGNATURE COLLECTION EFFORT (19:27A-5) Upon approval of the petition, the recall committee and registered voters in the jurisdiction of the recall election may solicit signatures of other registered voters in that jurisdiction. Specific requirements on the method of soliciting signatures are listed in the law. The recall effort is limited to 320 days for a Governor or 160 days for other elected officials from the date of the notice of intention. The petition requires the signatures of 25 % of the registered voters in the jurisdiction, as of the last general election."

---- happy recalling.

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T-Bird wrote:
Actually, it's 25% of registered voters as of the last election, which is in the vicinity of 115,000. (Ianmac will correct me if I'm off, hopefully) So you'd need somewhere around 28,000 to 29,000 signatures.

The other issue is timing. A recall can't begin until the official is 50 days away from completing the first year of their current term. That doesn't happen until May 11 of next year.

I don't think the number of signatures needed is prohibitive. This isn't an indirect issue that needs explaining like pay to play. This is direct. The mayor and his team are on the take. People get that. If you put a little money behind the effort and do it professionally, it is imminently achievable. It just can't happen for another 10 months.

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PBW wrote:
30,657 people voted though, right? Found that in an old thread can anyone confirm?

So we need 7,665 signatures for a recall election.

Ha ha ha ha, they got you just like they fooled Fulop!! It works every time!

It's REGISTERED VOTERS, not who actually voted, which means if only 50% of registrants voted (that's what I recall), you need to get signatures of 50% of all people who actually voted. Pretty steep hill. In California it takes 12% of the number of votes cast in the previous elections.

T-Bird wrote:
Actually, it's 25% of registered voters as of the last election, which is in the vicinity of 115,000. (Ianmac will correct me if I'm off, hopefully) So you'd need somewhere around 28,000 to 29,000 signatures.

The other issue is timing. A recall can't begin until the official is 50 days away from completing the first year of their current term. That doesn't happen until May 11 of next year.

I don't think the number of signatures needed is prohibitive. This isn't an indirect issue that needs explaining like pay to play. This is direct. The mayor and his team are on the take. People get that. If you put a little money behind the effort and do it professionally, it is imminently achievable. It just can't happen for another 10 months.

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brewster wrote:
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PBW wrote:
30,657 people voted though, right? Found that in an old thread can anyone confirm?

So we need 7,665 signatures for a recall election.

Ha ha ha ha, they got you just like they fooled Fulop!! It works every time!

It's REGISTERED VOTERS, not who actually voted, which means if only 50% of registrants voted (that's what I recall), you need to get signatures of 50% of all people who actually voted. Pretty steep hill. In California it takes 12% of the number of votes cast in the previous elections.

PolitickerNJ.com has confirmed that "JC Official 4" is Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy, the Hudson County Democratic Chairman. A source close to the mayor admitted as much, but held that he had done nothing wrong.[/quo

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JerseyLover wrote:
I bet JC Official 1, the high ranking official within the Health Department who helped Beldini and Shaw set up bribes for
"JC Official 4," is Harry Melendez. Someone should start a pool.

It looks to me like JC Official 1 is Edward Cheatam, and JC Official 2 is Maher Khalil.

The Manzo complaint says "There was an individual who served as the Vice President of the Jersey City Board of Education (until on or about May 2009), and a commissioner of the Jersey City Housing Authority ("JC Official 1").

The Cheatam complaint says "At times relevant to this Complaint, defendant Edward Cheatam ("defendant Cheatam") was the affirmative action officer for Hudson County and a Commissioner on the Jersey City Housing Authority (the "JCHA"). ... Until in or about May, 2009, defendant Cheatam served as the Vice President of the Jersey City Board of Education ("BOE) ...."

That's a match for Cheatam as #1.

The Manzo complaint also says "There was an individual who represented himself to be an employee of the Jersey City Department of Health and Human Services and the Jersey City Zoning Board ("JC Official 2").

And the Khalil complaint says "At times relevant to this Complaint, defendant Maher A. Khalil (hereinafter, "defendant Khalil") served as an Assistant Director with the Jersey City, New Jersey Department of Health and Human Services ("HHS"). In addition, defendant Khalil was an official with the Jersey City Zoning Board of Adjustment (the "Zoning Board") through in or about March 2008."

So that's a match for Khalil as #2. Khalil's role is also explained on page 6 of the DOJ Press Release yesterday.

http://www.politickernj.com/matt-frie ... amiah-healy-jc-official-4

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PolitickerNJ.com has confirmed that "JC Official 4" is Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy, the Hudson County Democratic Chairman. A source close to the mayor admitted as much, but held that he had done nothing wrong.

SamS wrote:
So I am wondering what precipitated targeting these political officials.

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SamS wrote:
So I am wondering what precipitated targeting these political officials. Did Solomon Dwek have any previous dealings with any of the people who were arrest in Hudson Co? Was it established that these politicians had previously engaged in corrupt practices of a similar nature for which they are now being accused? Were they some how involved in Dwek's bank fraud schemes?

It at least seems that Dwek committed a crime unassociated to Hudson County officials; but somehow was designated to infiltrate a corrupt ring of politicians. But I haven't read anything that mentions why the recently arrested were targeted. Are there other non-officials who are also involved in other acts of corruption with these officials?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think all or any of these people are innocent, but it seems there are some missing components to the equation in terms of what has been reported. It looks a little like entrapment, but I don't know all of the facts.

It will be interesting to see how all of this unfolds and the defenses strategies.

Sam, read the article on the front page of today's NYT. It goes into detail on this very subject.

SamS wrote:
So I am wondering what precipitated targeting these political officials. Did Solomon Dwek have any previous dealings with any of the people who were arrest in Hudson Co? Was it established that these politicians had previously engaged in corrupt practices of a similar nature for which they are now being accused? Were they some how involved in Dwek's bank fraud schemes?

It at least seems that Dwek committed a crime unassociated to Hudson County officials; but somehow was designated to infiltrate a corrupt ring of politicians. But I haven't read anything that mentions why the recently arrested were targeted. Are there other non-officials who are also involved in other acts of corruption with these officials?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think all or any of these people are innocent, but it seems there are some missing components to the equation in terms of what has been reported. It looks a little like entrapment, but I don't know all of the facts.

It will be interesting to see how all of this unfolds and the defenses strategies.

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PBW wrote:
30,657 people voted though, right? Found that in an old thread can anyone confirm?

So we need 7,665 signatures for a recall election.

Ha ha ha ha, they got you just like they fooled Fulop!! It works every time!

It's REGISTERED VOTERS, not who actually voted, which means if only 50% of registrants voted (that's what I recall), you need to get signatures of 50% of all people who actually voted. Pretty steep hill. In California it takes 12% of the number of votes cast in the previous elections.

JerseyLover wrote:
I bet JC Official 1, the high ranking official within the Health Department who helped Beldini and Shaw set up bribes for
"JC Official 4," is Harry Melendez. Someone should start a pool.

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Calling the arrests "shocking and dismaying," Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah T. Healy suspended without pay the seven city employees charged in yesterday's sweep. "We are saddened by the negative light this has cast on our city and want to assure the public we have always conducted honest and open government," he said in a written statement.

"shocking and dismaying"?

"we have always conducted honest and open government"

"We are saddened by the negative light this has cast on our city"



Is he friggin' kidding? Jerry, you drunk SOB, you've done as much as anyone to cast a negative light on this city. Jerry, c'mon, you should know that the first step to recovery is to admit there is a problem.

What a total nose-bleed this guy is.

PBW wrote:


The video link on News 4 didn't have the Healy part. I swear I saw it. Can anyone else confirm?

Maybe they ran that on rumors and took that part of the newscast down. I don't want it to appear I'm spreading rumors.

PolitickerNJ.com has confirmed that "JC Official 4" is Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy, the Hudson County Democratic Chairman. A source close to the mayor admitted as much, but held that he had done nothing wrong.

he wasn't bribed so much as regular "back-scratching" that goes on between everyone from friends to neighbors

Chilltownmom wrote:
wow...so much flack for suggesting Vega might not be guilty- guilty, just guilty of politics as usual in jc or anywhere. does that make it right? NO, of course not. I was just suggesting the possibility that he wasn't bribed so much as regular "back-scratching" that goes on between everyone from friends to neighbors to ANY business employing cross-promotion marketing. nothing is free in this world on every level of "society".

Peace!

PBW wrote:
30,657 people voted though, right? Found that in an old thread can anyone confirm?

So we need 7,665 signatures for a recall election.

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ihatethiscity wrote:
Has anyone seen anything mentioned about where the ten's of thousands of dollars are at this point? Is the $30,000 the informant gave Beldini still in Healy's "campaign fund"? I wonder if there is any way to track that.

Here's a link to a campaign contribution filing for "Healy for Mayor 2009" from 2007.

http://www.speaknj.com/Jan%2016,%202007.pdf

This game didn't start yesterday, I bet there's some here also.

Page 51 shows a donation of $1500 made by Jose Arango, Chairman of the Hudson County Republican Committee in 2006.

Arango works for the city.

ihatethiscity wrote:
Has anyone seen anything mentioned about where the ten's of thousands of dollars are at this point? Is the $30,000 the informant gave Beldini still in Healy's "campaign fund"? I wonder if there is any way to track that.

jcnight wrote:
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jcnight wrote:
lets not forget, the people of jersey city voted these corrupt political figures IN. Even if (we ) did not cast that vote we are still the people of jersey city.

I even question that.
What percentage of votes did Healy get? Wasn't it something like 54%?
Nothing would surprise me.

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jcnight wrote:
lets not forget, the people of jersey city voted these corrupt political figures IN. Even if (we ) did not cast that vote we are still the people of jersey city.

I even question that.

What percentage of votes did Healy get? Wasn't it something like 54%?

Nothing would surprise me.

jcnight wrote:
lets not forget, the people of jersey city voted these corrupt political figures IN. Even if (we ) did not cast that vote we are still the people of jersey city.