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I am not a socialist but rather believe in capitalism WITH some regulation/oversight. Not your Ayn Rand version of the market will take care of everything and we've had social engineering in this country since its inception -- albeit just for white people (affluent straight white men in particular). I don't think progressives advocate a socialist agenda but rather a limit to the yawning chasm between the haves and have nots which has been exacerbated over the last 3 decades. To illustrate, http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2 ... ty-in-america-chart-graph

And as I said earlier, this does not absolve those in the inner city who make poor choices or believe a life of crime is the answer. They will and must face repercussions. There is personal accountability but I don't think everyone who lives there should be written off as a lost cause -- I actually think Fulop's anti-recidivism program of prisoner reentry is a good idea. And it's all about resources/access. I grew up in a nice suburb because both of my parents worked and I went to very nice schools. Had my parents not moved to where I grew up, I think my life would have been totally different. We have de facto segregation, not de jure and it's based on income.


So much race baiting here. Just wow.

I guess we need to consider policies not based on whether they're smart but whether they're good for certain racial/ethnic groups within their cultural and historical predispositions, amirite? *loud snort*

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de Blasio sure got bitch slapped by Cuomo today, when he showed up to support the pro-Charter school rally at the same time Kaiser Wilhelm was trying to gin up support for preK that Cuomo already proposed to fund with no new taxes.


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Government needs managers, not activists with specific agendas, right or left.

And Cuomo spanked de Blasio again today, when it's reported he'll support payments for charter school rent if Kaiser Wilhelm tries to screw them more. After all, the NY Governor, the US Secretary of Education, and President Obama all support charter schools because of their successes.

http://nypost.com/2014/03/03/cuomo-ba ... ols-evicted-by-de-blasio/

Your statement there is based on nothing more than a completely biased headline. The article doesn't support this argument.


Pebs, honey, you do know it was from the NYTimes and not Fox, or Breitbart, or Drudge?

Only the truly stupid believe in the ?liberal media bias? myth. FACT.

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well I don't happen to think the answer is spending more money on housing prisoners who only become more hardened and violent and enriching private prison industry executives, some of whom want occupancy guarantees. The issue is complex and the inner cities (and the concomitant ills that often go with them) were created through public policy and entrenched underground economies -- guns/drugs/prostitution. I don't think there is one answer but a myriad of possible solutions (mentorships, internships, public private partnerships, philanthropy, head start, recreation centers, Police Athletic League and other community engagement)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/g ... e-is-exploding-heres-why/

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/t ... ison-pipeline-fact-sheet/

http://www.nber.org/digest/oct97/w5881.html

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And on THAT I wholeheartedly agree with you and can reach across the aisle. But other stuff, no.


Well, I'm not sure what else you could demand from the wealth generators/taxpayers with a clear conscience. JC spends over 20% more per student than the state average (which already is one of the highest in the USA), and pays less than 1/3 of the cost through local taxes, relying on other NJ taxpayers to shoulder the burden for them. And historically, throwing even more money at the problems does zero, including free pre-K.

Jersey City schools have the 8th worst graduation rate in NJ, with 1/3 not graduating.

This after almost 30 years of massive state funding, to the tune of billions and billions of dollars.

Throwing more money won't fix the problem, and hurts the taxpayers carrying the weight.

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And on THAT I wholeheartedly agree with you and can reach across the aisle. But other stuff, no.

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The optics on McGreevey hiring the former department head in JC who cost the city millions of dollars, who went back to jail for parole violations, and who has never repaid his fine/obligations, are horrific.

Oh, that's right-he was the campaign chief for a Fulop Councilwoman supporter.

Oops, the optics just got worse, imagine that.

Did Fulop mention in his speech if they would direct the state to garnish his new city salary?

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I am not a socialist but rather believe in capitalism WITH some regulation/oversight. Not your Ayn Rand version of the market will take care of everything and we've had social engineering in this country since its inception -- albeit just for white people (affluent straight white men in particular). I don't think progressives advocate a socialist agenda but rather a limit to the yawning chasm between the haves and have nots which has been exacerbated over the last 3 decades. To illustrate, http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2 ... ty-in-america-chart-graph

And as I said earlier, this does not absolve those in the inner city who make poor choices or believe a life of crime is the answer. They will and must face repercussions. There is personal accountability but I don't think everyone who lives there should be written off as a lost cause -- I actually think Fulop's anti-recidivism program of prisoner reentry is a good idea. And it's all about resources/access. I grew up in a nice suburb because both of my parents worked and I went to very nice schools. Had my parents not moved to where I grew up, I think my life would have been totally different. We have de facto segregation, not de jure and it's based on income.

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I personally don't want this country to go into the trajectory of a Brazil or South Africa where it becomes a fait accompli that if you're black or brown, you're destined to be marginalized or occupy lower strata of society; and if you're white and middle class, you're basically destined to make it. It's also a tad disingenuous and a little myopic for people to lambaste DeBlasio or Pres. Obama for so-called social engineering and giving undue advantage to people of color (implicitly TAKING something from deserving whites) for proposing agendas that might ameliorate the status quo especially in inner cities - why should potential talent languish just because someone might not have the benefit of having been born into the right family or circumstances/connections. Again, I don't want to live in a gated community with a private security firm like Brazil or South Africa that perpetuates a cycle of inequity and where it's foregone conclusion that if you're poor and black, you're automatically consigned to being bad and dumb. That does not mean however, that people aren't also accountable for themselves, their behavior/choices or that they lack agency (resorting to crime especially violent ones is not a justifiable excuse).
interesting article about G&T programs. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/edu ... .html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

http://www.ncsu.edu/project/oeo-training/aa/beneficiaries.htm


'Might ameliorate the status quo in the inner cities'?

You are aware, of course, that the suburban taxpayers, in just the last TWO years, underwrote JC schoolkids (and JC taxpayers) to the tune of a BILLION FREAKING DOLLARS?

And you're aware that this money has been spent for the last 30 years, or well over one generation? With what results? I'd love to see how many more children were born to single mothers, with delinquent fathers, since 1985 when the Abbott districts were created.

Just how much more do you expect them to do? And we're talking just money for schools, not Section 8 Housing, food stamps, and a million other areas where money has been spent on social aide.

The issue isn't enough money being spent, it's personal responsibility causing people to be poor overwhelmingly. And you have to go back 20 years before Abbott to get to the beginnings of the 'Great Society' if you really want to measure that money spent at the problems haven't solved a thing.


I've always assumed that the suburbs cough up the money as an alternative to building low income housing that would require zoning and land usage changes as well as changing the social mix. Probably would have been cheaper and perhaps more effective to have busted up inner city neighborhoods.


Mt. Laurel decisions were also social engineering dictated by the courts, but are separate and distinct from the Abbott funding. Why the government would want to mandate a low income housing site out in the middle of, say, Hunterdon County, I never understood. But allowing them to 'pay off' this obligation by supporting low income housing in other areas was a good decision, even though Mt. Laurel was/is flawed in concept.

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I personally don't want this country to go into the trajectory of a Brazil or South Africa where it becomes a fait accompli that if you're black or brown, you're destined to be marginalized or occupy lower strata of society; and if you're white and middle class, you're basically destined to make it. It's also a tad disingenuous and a little myopic for people to lambaste DeBlasio or Pres. Obama for so-called social engineering and giving undue advantage to people of color (implicitly TAKING something from deserving whites) for proposing agendas that might ameliorate the status quo especially in inner cities - why should potential talent languish just because someone might not have the benefit of having been born into the right family or circumstances/connections. Again, I don't want to live in a gated community with a private security firm like Brazil or South Africa that perpetuates a cycle of inequity and where it's foregone conclusion that if you're poor and black, you're automatically consigned to being bad and dumb. That does not mean however, that people aren't also accountable for themselves, their behavior/choices or that they lack agency (resorting to crime especially violent ones is not a justifiable excuse).
interesting article about G&T programs. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/edu ... .html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

http://www.ncsu.edu/project/oeo-training/aa/beneficiaries.htm


'Might ameliorate the status quo in the inner cities'?

You are aware, of course, that the suburban taxpayers, in just the last TWO years, underwrote JC schoolkids (and JC taxpayers) to the tune of a BILLION FREAKING DOLLARS?

And you're aware that this money has been spent for the last 30 years, or well over one generation? With what results? I'd love to see how many more children were born to single mothers, with delinquent fathers, since 1985 when the Abbott districts were created.

Just how much more do you expect them to do? And we're talking just money for schools, not Section 8 Housing, food stamps, and a million other areas where money has been spent on social aide.

The issue isn't enough money being spent, it's personal responsibility causing people to be poor overwhelmingly. And you have to go back 20 years before Abbott to get to the beginnings of the 'Great Society' if you really want to measure that money spent at the problems haven't solved a thing.


I've always assumed that the suburbs cough up the money as an alternative to building low income housing that would require zoning and land usage changes as well as changing the social mix. Probably would have been cheaper and perhaps more effective to have busted up inner city neighborhoods.

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I personally don't want this country to go into the trajectory of a Brazil or South Africa where it becomes a fait accompli that if you're black or brown, you're destined to be marginalized or occupy lower strata of society; and if you're white and middle class, you're basically destined to make it. It's also a tad disingenuous and a little myopic for people to lambaste DeBlasio or Pres. Obama for so-called social engineering and giving undue advantage to people of color (implicitly TAKING something from deserving whites) for proposing agendas that might ameliorate the status quo especially in inner cities - why should potential talent languish just because someone might not have the benefit of having been born into the right family or circumstances/connections. Again, I don't want to live in a gated community with a private security firm like Brazil or South Africa that perpetuates a cycle of inequity and where it's foregone conclusion that if you're poor and black, you're automatically consigned to being bad and dumb. That does not mean however, that people aren't also accountable for themselves, their behavior/choices or that they lack agency (resorting to crime especially violent ones is not a justifiable excuse).
interesting article about G&T programs. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/edu ... .html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

http://www.ncsu.edu/project/oeo-training/aa/beneficiaries.htm


'Might ameliorate the status quo in the inner cities'?

You are aware, of course, that the suburban taxpayers, in just the last TWO years, underwrote JC schoolkids (and JC taxpayers) to the tune of a BILLION FREAKING DOLLARS?

And you're aware that this money has been spent for the last 30 years, or well over one generation? With what results? I'd love to see how many more children were born to single mothers, with delinquent fathers, since 1985 when the Abbott districts were created.

Just how much more do you expect them to do? And we're talking just money for schools, not Section 8 Housing, food stamps, and a million other areas where money has been spent on social aide.

The issue isn't enough money being spent, it's personal responsibility causing people to be poor overwhelmingly. And you have to go back 20 years before Abbott to get to the beginnings of the 'Great Society' if you really want to measure that money spent at the problems haven't solved a thing.

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If you doubled everyone's income the poor would be better off but the income 'inequality' would remain the same.

Would the 'progressives' still rant in that case? Methinks yes.

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I personally don't want this country to go into the trajectory of a Brazil or South Africa where it becomes a fait accompli that if you're black or brown, you're destined to be marginalized or occupy lower strata of society; and if you're white and middle class, you're basically destined to make it. It's also a tad disingenuous and a little myopic for people to lambaste DeBlasio or Pres. Obama for so-called social engineering and giving undue advantage to people of color (implicitly TAKING something from deserving whites) for proposing agendas that might ameliorate the status quo especially in inner cities - why should potential talent languish just because someone might not have the benefit of having been born into the right family or circumstances/connections. Again, I don't want to live in a gated community with a private security firm like Brazil or South Africa that perpetuates a cycle of inequity and where it's foregone conclusion that if you're poor and black, you're automatically consigned to being bad and dumb. That does not mean however, that people aren't also accountable for themselves, their behavior/choices or that they lack agency (resorting to crime especially violent ones is not a justifiable excuse).
interesting article about G&T programs. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/edu ... .html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

http://www.ncsu.edu/project/oeo-training/aa/beneficiaries.htm

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Government needs managers, not activists with specific agendas, right or left.

And Cuomo spanked de Blasio again today, when it's reported he'll support payments for charter school rent if Kaiser Wilhelm tries to screw them more. After all, the NY Governor, the US Secretary of Education, and President Obama all support charter schools because of their successes.

http://nypost.com/2014/03/03/cuomo-ba ... ols-evicted-by-de-blasio/

Your statement there is based on nothing more than a completely biased headline. The article doesn't support this argument.


Pebs, honey, you do know it was from the NYTimes and not Fox, or Breitbart, or Drudge?

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Government needs managers, not activists with specific agendas, right or left.

And Cuomo spanked de Blasio again today, when it's reported he'll support payments for charter school rent if Kaiser Wilhelm tries to screw them more. After all, the NY Governor, the US Secretary of Education, and President Obama all support charter schools because of their successes.

http://nypost.com/2014/03/03/cuomo-ba ... ols-evicted-by-de-blasio/

Your statement there is based on nothing more than a completely biased headline. The article doesn't support this argument.

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Government needs managers, not activists with specific agendas, right or left.

And Cuomo spanked de Blasio again today, when it's reported he'll support payments for charter school rent if Kaiser Wilhelm tries to screw them more. After all, the NY Governor, the US Secretary of Education, and President Obama all support charter schools because of their successes.

http://nypost.com/2014/03/03/cuomo-ba ... ols-evicted-by-de-blasio/


Yes, Obama supports charter schools but not vouchers.

And de Blasio cut gifted programs due to lack of "diversity".

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgre ... s-over-lack-of-diversity/

He also wanted to apply affirmative action on NY's G&T school admssion.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/b ... issions-article-1.1481345


Hopefully this imbecile is limited in the damage he can do by being kicked out after one term.

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Government needs managers, not activists with specific agendas, right or left.

And Cuomo spanked de Blasio again today, when it's reported he'll support payments for charter school rent if Kaiser Wilhelm tries to screw them more. After all, the NY Governor, the US Secretary of Education, and President Obama all support charter schools because of their successes.

http://nypost.com/2014/03/03/cuomo-ba ... ols-evicted-by-de-blasio/


Yes, Obama supports charter schools but not vouchers.

And de Blasio cut gifted programs due to lack of "diversity".

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgre ... s-over-lack-of-diversity/

He also wanted to apply affirmative action on NY's G&T school admssion.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/b ... issions-article-1.1481345

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Government needs managers, not activists with specific agendas, right or left.

And Cuomo spanked de Blasio again today, when it's reported he'll support payments for charter school rent if Kaiser Wilhelm tries to screw them more. After all, the NY Governor, the US Secretary of Education, and President Obama all support charter schools because of their successes.

http://nypost.com/2014/03/03/cuomo-ba ... ols-evicted-by-de-blasio/

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I'm failing to understand the concern here. Is the argument that people who are activists cannot be managers? A lot of these activists seem to know how to manage given their ability to coordinate, gather information on a topic and address certain needs.

Let?s run down a list of what they are calling ?activists?:
Steven Banks - Commissioner of the city?s Human Resources Administration.
Background: The attorney in chief of the Legal Aid Society and a longtime critic of city policies affecting low-income residents.
In short, we?ve a high-end lawyer that has some focused issues in charge of those specific issues. Seems like a logical pick.

Carmen Fari?a - Schools Chancellor
Background: Quit the Bloomberg administration in protest over its emphasis on standardized test scores.
So basically we have a person that had this job once before getting it again. This person had a difference of opinion in how things should be run with the prior mayor and was terminated. However, it seems like this person is quite qualified for the position. Considering that this person had the job before, I find it odd that the author of this piece is claiming that this was simply hiring an activist and not a manager.

Emma Wolfe - The mayor?s top political strategist
Background: Rose from campus activist to organizer for the advocacy group Acorn, the health care union 1199 SEIU and the Working Families Party before helping Mr. de Blasio get elected public advocate in 2009.
Looking at that type of resume seems to me that the person should be qualified to be a very liberal person?s political strategist. Should he have picked Dick Cheney?

Maya Wiley - his new counsel
Background: most recently in the running to lead the N.A.A.C.P.
Based on this description, this person was sought after for other management positions. For someone that is chalked up as just an activist, that seems odd.

Laura Santucci - chief of staff
Background: former acting executive director of the Democratic National Committee and a former political aide at 1199 SEIU.
Yeah, there?s no management experience that one could gain by being the executive director of an organization as large as the DNC.

Zachary W. Carter - corporation counsel
Background: was an appointee of President Bill Clinton as the United States attorney in Brooklyn and led the prosecution of police officers in the beating of Abner Louima, a Haitian immigrant.
Wasn?t Chris Christie just a US Attorney prior to becoming governor? How is being a US Attorney in Brooklyn not a valid qualification to be corporation counsel.

I?m not going to argue whether these people are the best for the job. I don?t know any of them outside of what was written in the rather biased piece of journalism posted. What I was able to gleam from it was not what the editor intended with the headline. The people placed in these positions seem qualified and certainly do have management experience. Maybe the management experience isn?t in the same industries that Bloomberg valued, but that doesn?t make it less valuable.

I don?t know what De Blasio will do for NYC. I can?t imagine him lasting for more than one term if he comes up against a good candidate in the next election. However, the way in which people nitpick the absurd is quite laughable.

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His screwjob of charter schools shows he's more concerned about the teachers union than the minority children who thrive there.

And the WSJ had an article about all the unfilled positions in City Hall; apparently the nominees need to pass his 'progressive' litmus test in addition to having chops in expertise. Which makes me want to hurl. Why not just get the most qualified for the job?

So you don?t care when Christie fills up his open positions with people that filled his campaign coffers and share his conservative ideologies but you do care when De Blasio does it with a liberal idea.

Are there mornings where your own hypocrisy smacks you so hard in the face that you get bruised?

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I read somewhere that Fulop, with likely Newark mayor Baraka to his left and de Blasio to his right, will seem like a moderate by the time the NJ Governor race is upon us.

I guess a gang loving Mayor in Newark and a bizarre looney Mayor in NY will make him look good in comparison to the red voters in a blue state.

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Some people have to hit absolute rock bottom before they will turn towards improvement.

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To me De Blasio is just David Dinkins version 2.0 I suspect he won't get elected to a 2nd term.

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His screwjob of charter schools shows he's more concerned about the teachers union than the minority children who thrive there.

And the WSJ had an article about all the unfilled positions in City Hall; apparently the nominees need to pass his 'progressive' litmus test in addition to having chops in expertise. Which makes me want to hurl. Why not just get the most qualified for the job?

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Obama Redux. We can all watch NYC go down from here in JC.


If NYC catches a cold, JC will catch pneumonia.

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Obama Redux. We can all watch NYC go down from here in JC.

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Good for him!

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