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They applied for variances, got tax breaks and abatements for temporary affordable housing. The time to complain and block it is passed.


Also OP should check his information. The building is not seventeen stories; I recall it being twelve or thirteen.

And if his issue is with trees being cut down, the developers are building a park onsite which will be open to the public. That land has been fenced off and unusable since I moved to the neighborhood 18yrs ago. Now anybody will be able to enjoy it.

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They applied for variances, got tax breaks and abatements for temporary affordable housing. The time to complain and block it is passed.

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Shame. Construction or Destruction crew chopping trees down today. Green cover over metal fence hiding activity. Asked employee . . "the Unico Towers sold the land, 17 floor tower going up, will reconstruct park between buildings to include trees, dog run etc"

I thought from Marin west there was a zoning prohibition against 17 floor towers?

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Downtown Jersey City tower getting 30-year tax break

By Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal The Jersey Journal 
August 14, 2015 at  8:02 AM

The City Council next week is expected to give initial approval to a 30-year tax break for a 17-story residential tower KRE Group is building near Hamilton Park.

The developer, who received a $40 million tax break from the state last month, has pledged to make 20 percent of the tower's 397 units affordable. Mayor Steve Fulop, who for years as a councilman criticized long-term tax breaks for Downtown developments, has said he now supports them if developers build affordable units on-site.

Instead of conventional taxes, KRE would pay a service charge, which in the first year is estimated to be $1.1 million. Conventional taxes would be $2.1 million. KRE could save as much as $41 million over the course of the deal.

http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index ... ax_break_planned_for.html

no surprise here...i knew it was just a matter of time before fulop did a 180... i hear the mayor of bayonne has a more pricipaled stance...maybe he'd make a better governor

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Downtown Jersey City tower getting 30-year tax break

By Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal The Jersey Journal 
August 14, 2015 at  8:02 AM

The City Council next week is expected to give initial approval to a 30-year tax break for a 17-story residential tower KRE Group is building near Hamilton Park.

The developer, who received a $40 million tax break from the state last month, has pledged to make 20 percent of the tower's 397 units affordable. Mayor Steve Fulop, who for years as a councilman criticized long-term tax breaks for Downtown developments, has said he now supports them if developers build affordable units on-site.

Instead of conventional taxes, KRE would pay a service charge, which in the first year is estimated to be $1.1 million. Conventional taxes would be $2.1 million. KRE could save as much as $41 million over the course of the deal.

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Downtown Jersey City tower receives $40M tax break from state

By Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal The Jersey Journal
on July 10, 2015 at  7:43 AM

A $163 million residential tower slated for the eastern edge of the Hamilton Park neighborhood of Jersey City will receive a $40 million tax break from the state.

The deal, approved yesterday by the state Economic Development Authority, is the second $40 million tax break New Jersey has awarded in as many months to developers seeking to build in the city's booming Downtown.

The 17-story, 397-unit building is planned for the corner of Ninth Street and Marin Boulevard, near the Unico Towers. The developer is Jonathan Kushner, of KRE Group, which is behind the three-tower project going up in Journal Square.

The EDA awarded the tax credits, to be doled out over 10 years, as part of its residential economic redevelopment and growth grant program. The state agency cited KRE's pledge to make 20 percent of the tower's proposed 397 units affordable for households that make between 50 and 80 percent of Hudson County's median household income, $58,442.

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A green space behind a perertually locked fence might as well be a parking lot. This new building is going to have a park that is open to the public so hopefully it will actually be used.

I do agree though, we could use some more public spaces downtown. Like, say a pedestrian plaza.


Exactly...

I lived across the street for 2.5 years and never once saw even a groundskeeper in that green space.

JC is congested and has no quality of life? What is Manhattan then? Yikes.

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The problem with Ayn Rand is that she starts from the idea that private action always good, public action always bad, and that the masses are the equivalent of thieves. Of course, she wound up destitute and on welfare.


Have you actually read her work or are you just reacting to what you've heard? ...

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I can see why we should, we should know why and how people come to crazy conclusions if they're kind enough to write them out for us. There's a lot of crazythink out there, and some of them, like Paul Ryan & Rand Paul, are seriously dangerous.



Well, you had me up till the Mein Kampf.

By the way, surely, you are aware that Main Kampf is the writing of a socialist, someone who believed that people must be forced to do what their leaders define as "Common Good", and that personal rights have no value compared to that "Common Good", - while people like Ryan and especially Paul are on the direct opposite side of the political scale and build their views starting from human rights being having the highest value.


Glad I lost you then. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I was no more endorsing Objectivism than I was National Socialism. I was saying is it's instructive to study how people can analyze a situation and come to WRONG & DANGEROUS conclusions!


I am sorry but seeing how I never claimed that you "endorsed" nazism nor objectivism, I don't think you are a person who should be lecturing me on my reading skills.

Second, you didn't just claimed that "oh, people may come to wrong and dangerous conclusions", - you specifically compared Rand Paul and Paul Ryan, to Ayn Rand, to Hitler. Yet, if you haven't noticed there is a huge difference between them, they come from the polar opposite viewpoint. One viewpoint is based on an assumption that people are not equal and that one person may have the power to own another and to violate his rights if he thinks it is a good idea. Another viewpoint is that human rights are of the highest value and that all people are equal and that means the Government has only one legitimate role, - that is to secure those rights.

I see how the adherents of the first idea may be dangerous... well, not "may be" actually. Anyone who believes that he is entitled to rule others is dangerous right out of the box. I do not see how the other side may harm you? If someone believes that he can't own you, and can't rule you, and can take away neither your possessions nor your freedom, - how is that may possibly be dangerous?


Your dogma is usually kinda boring, but this is notable for the observation that an extremist utterly fails to see it when what a set of things have in common is extremism. I'd love to debate the flaws in Objectivism and Libertarianism but this thread has been hijacked enough. Start one in "not JC", or at dancarlin.com if you really want a spirited debate. it's hashed there often, but it can get a little rough. Carlin attracts the disaffected from both wings.

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The problem with Ayn Rand is that she starts from the idea that private action always good, public action always bad, and that the masses are the equivalent of thieves. Of course, she wound up destitute and on welfare.


Have you actually read her work or are you just reacting to what you've heard? ...

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I can see why we should, we should know why and how people come to crazy conclusions if they're kind enough to write them out for us. There's a lot of crazythink out there, and some of them, like Paul Ryan & Rand Paul, are seriously dangerous.



Well, you had me up till the Mein Kampf.

By the way, surely, you are aware that Main Kampf is the writing of a socialist, someone who believed that people must be forced to do what their leaders define as "Common Good", and that personal rights have no value compared to that "Common Good", - while people like Ryan and especially Paul are on the direct opposite side of the political scale and build their views starting from human rights being having the highest value.


Glad I lost you then. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I was no more endorsing Objectivism than I was National Socialism. I was saying is it's instructive to study how people can analyze a situation and come to WRONG & DANGEROUS conclusions!


I am sorry but seeing how I never claimed that you "endorsed" nazism nor objectivism, I don't think you are a person who should be lecturing me on my reading skills.

Second, you didn't just claimed that "oh, people may come to wrong and dangerous conclusions", - you specifically compared Rand Paul and Paul Ryan, to Ayn Rand, to Hitler. Yet, if you haven't noticed there is a huge difference between them, they come from the polar opposite viewpoint. One viewpoint is based on an assumption that people are not equal and that one person may have the power to own another and to violate his rights if he thinks it is a good idea. Another viewpoint is that human rights are of the highest value and that all people are equal and that means the Government has only one legitimate role, - that is to secure those rights.

I see how the adherents of the first idea may be dangerous... well, not "may be" actually. Anyone who believes that he is entitled to rule others is dangerous right out of the box. I do not see how the other side may harm you? If someone believes that he can't own you, and can't rule you, and can take away neither your possessions nor your freedom, - how is that may possibly be dangerous?

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Have you actually read her work or are you just reacting to what you've heard? ...

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I can see why we should, we should know why and how people come to crazy conclusions if they're kind enough to write them out for us. There's a lot of crazythink out there, and some of them, like Paul Ryan & Rand Paul, are seriously dangerous.



Well, you had me up till the Mein Kampf.

By the way, surely, you are aware that Main Kampf is the writing of a socialist, someone who believed that people must be forced to do what their leaders define as "Common Good", and that personal rights have no value compared to that "Common Good", - while people like Ryan and especially Paul are on the direct opposite side of the political scale and build their views starting from human rights being having the highest value.


Glad I lost you then. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I was no more endorsing Objectivism than I was National Socialism. I was saying is it's instructive to study how people can analyze a situation and come to WRONG & DANGEROUS conclusions!

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Or the city could have removed the fence.

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A green space behind a perertually locked fence might as well be a parking lot. This new building is going to have a park that is open to the public so hopefully it will actually be used.

I do agree though, we could use some more public spaces downtown. Like, say a pedestrian plaza.

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A city is a better city when it has the amenities for the people who live there. The redevelopment plan that created UNICO provided that there be green space on the back half of the project facing Newport. That highrise was softened by a half block of green lawn, walkways and benches for the UNICO residents. It is now being taken away for another building of the same height and the density of the neighborhood increases dramatically. We lose the green in return yet every time a project comes up before the city residents cry out "Give us some green". Take a good hard look at Jersey City, particularly DTJC, and you realize this is an over-congested place in terms of traffic and people with quality of life falling to the wayside. Concessions are made to developers in almost every instance, tax breaks, increased density and height, no parking while the citizens who live here are ignored. This didn't start with Steve Fulop but he made the case repeatedly in his tenure as Councilman that he would reverse the process. At some point not too far down the road this citys grid will be hopelessly gridlocked by traffic and lack of public transportation and the PATH system will not be able to handle the load of new passengers its going to have.

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Have you actually read her work or are you just reacting to what you've heard? ...

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I can see why we should, we should know why and how people come to crazy conclusions if they're kind enough to write them out for us. There's a lot of crazythink out there, and some of them, like Paul Ryan & Rand Paul, are seriously dangerous.



Well, you had me up till the Mein Kampf.

By the way, surely, you are aware that Main Kampf is the writing of a socialist, someone who believed that people must be forced to do what their leaders define as "Common Good", and that personal rights have no value compared to that "Common Good", - while people like Ryan and especially Paul are on the direct opposite side of the political scale and build their views starting from human rights being having the highest value.


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Just like on this board, HP has a minority of hysterics that think the city can be frozen in time.

HP doesn't have a parking issue. There are almost always open spots on the street. There are two garages (Mall and 10th/Erie) walking distance from this project with open spots.

Schools? LOL. There are million dollar units all over Newport. You think those kids are going to Cordero in significant number? All the cars dropping off there in the morning tell the story of who is going to school there.

And I love the height argument...are the hysterics so blinded that they don't see THE HIGH RISE EXISTING FOR DECADES NEXT TO THE PROJECT?!

What is the affordable housing argument...there is one project right down Manila by Shop Rite...Holland Gardens across the tunnel...No one is being pushed out.

Hamilton Park residents in significant part choose the area because they like the convenience of newer development amenities surrounding our area in addition to the brownstone charm.

I certainly don't need people from the rest of the city telling us we don't need development because of abatement derangement syndrome. Can't wait for new residents and stores/restaurants on the first floor and the changes coming every day to the city.

The people who think that the city is stressed and who don't like change, that is why we have the Carolinas, South Jersey, Florida...no one is stopping you.

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The problem with Ayn Rand is that she starts from the idea that private action always good, public action always bad, and that the masses are the equivalent of thieves. Of course, she wound up destitute and on welfare.


Have you actually read her work or are you just reacting to what you've heard? I don't agree with her at all, but I have read both AS and The Fountainhead and understand why some people find it so seductive. It's simple and comforting like religion, it gives you one simple answer for all questions.

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I can see why we should, we should know why and how people come to crazy conclusions if they're kind enough to write them out for us. There's a lot of crazythink out there, and some of them, like Paul Ryan & Rand Paul, are seriously dangerous.

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The problem with Ayn Rand is that she starts from the idea that private action always good, public action always bad, and that the masses are the equivalent of thieves. Of course, she wound up destitute and on welfare.

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I agree on the sentiment in some ways, but as for Atlas Shrugged, even a disingenuous, hypocritical, malicious, idiot clock can be right twice a day. Any wisdom imparted by that book is purely accidental.


I dunno, like the one I referenced there were some insights into gov't, at least for me at that age. One of the things I've seen frequently in my life is people who are brilliant at analysing a problem but either helpless, wrongheaded or downright dangerous in prescribing solutions.

The architecture & development critic William Howard Kunstler comes to mind, and is relevant to this thread for anyone who hasn't read him. Brilliant critic of those subjects, but is a peak oil nut and thinks western civilization will fall, and soon. He asks every interviewee on his podcast what they think of his pet theory that Japan will be the first nation to voluntarily revert to medievalism.

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I agree on the sentiment in some ways, but as for Atlas Shrugged, even a disingenuous, hypocritical, malicious, idiot clock can be right twice a day. Any wisdom imparted by that book is purely accidental.

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Which they always do, since more units mean more money.


There's a couple of ways of looking at that. One is one of the few enlightening things I gleaned from reading Atlas Shrugged as a young man: that sometimes laws are passed not to actually be obeyed, but so the gov't has leverage on you when you want an exception. "hey uh, you want that variance you should donate to the right campaign...". But sometimes it's just that they want you do create greenspace but can't force you without said leverage. This is how NYC got all it's "tower in park" development, trading greenspace for more sq footage and height.

The other is that some of our zoning just sucks. As MDM has stated recently in one of these threads, the R-1 that overlays most of JC is awful, probably passed at the behest of people like Yvonne who believe JC should look like a suburb rather than a city. It only allows a 35' high unattached 2 family house, even if the lot is in a block of 4 story rowhouses. Is the person who wants to build one just like the house next door just being greedy?

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Which they always do, since more units mean more money.

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We don't have a right to develop as we don't have a right to drive a car - You need a permit and a licence!


Actually, you're wrong. "As of right" means you are staying within your zoning and do not have to get any variance to build on your property, and you cannot be denied a permit. Horsetrading only happens when the developer wants a variance or an abatement.

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I'm pretty sure that this "theory" would be illegal.
A person who owns land can't be forced to pay for public expenses just because they want to exercise their right to develop.

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Has anyone officially objected to any planning permits.

I'm a strong believer in 'ratio' developments; in other words any new development that increases the number of people in a given community must contribute to the services and infrastructure to that immediate area.

Simply put - If there is one swing in a playground and the population increases due to development, then the developer needs to install or help fund a second or third swing in the park.

The 'ratio' theory can apply to sewers, water supply infrastructure, road maintenance, etc. Even the ratio of police to a district needs updating with population growth.

If you look at your local swimming pool, it hasn't changed, yet with developments that increased population has and the pool becomes over-run.

Every development should contribute to a citywide fund - 'x' amount per room they create and this should apply to those private dwellings that increase or provide for a 2nd family.

Also has anyone objected to the permit and requested the developer to instal a repeater station to improve TV reception?


We don't have a right to develop as we don't have a right to drive a car - You need a permit and a licence!

Since we live in a user-pays society, tapping into existing services, infrastructure and resources should be accompanied with a fee to help pay for the extra need and demand ... remember its only a thought and the fee would take into consideration on the taxes it would generate for the city.

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...and overall property taxes have risen 80%+ in the same period.

The argument over abatements solves nothing for most taxpayers. Even if overnight we converted every abated property to full value, that would likely only reduce people's tax bills by 10-15% - if that. More likely the schools and county would find a way to simply pocket the extra cash.

Yes - let's continue to question abatements, and make sure they're being allocated sensibly. But if you really want to help JC residents, you should be pushing for the reval to happen. Perhaps the slogan should be:

"It's not about abatements, it's about the reval, stupid!".

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But does any of the money goes to the Board of Ed? The Board of Ed taxes have risen 40% since 2005.

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Plenty of parking at Newport mall a short block away, and the state pays for public schools. I don't see the problem.


I guess you have an abatement to say the state pays for the public schools, the state pays the lions share but the average homeowner pays between $2,000 to $3,000 a year. That is real money.


Yvonne I pay close to $20k in property taxes which is a damn sight more than you ever paid.

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I guess you have an abatement to say the state pays for the public schools, the state pays the lions share but the average homeowner pays between $2,000 to $3,000 a year. That is real money.

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The only thing the City might need at some point is a pumping station at the north end of downtown - if there isn't one already. Think they sorted out a lot of the sewer lines last year around HP.

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Perhaps because he knows it's only the hysterical squeaky wheels like you talking, not the general population. Most of us don't have the idea that our city needs to be frozen in time with nothing ever changing. .


Mostly this. I live in HP and know most of the people active in the neighborhood groups. The majority I spoke with were neutral or for, the people who were against were fuming mad about it and got super upset if you disagreed. As is the case with just about every issue the people who are angry are much more likely to show up and complain. That doesn't make them the majority.

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Plenty of parking at Newport mall a short block away, and the state pays for public schools. I don't see the problem.

Posted on: 2014/6/26 13:38
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