Register now !    Login  
Main Menu
Who's Online
30 user(s) are online (19 user(s) are browsing Message Forum)

Members: 0
Guests: 30

more...




Browsing this Thread:   1 Anonymous Users




« 1 2 3 (4) 5 6 7 8 »


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2005/5/10 23:17
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 354
Offline

KRE has proposed a 190 ft 400 unit rental building on 9th & Marin.

The area is zoned for 66 units an acre, 140 ft, .5 parking spaces per unit
The developer is asking for 300 units an acre, 190 ft, .5 parking spaces per unit (zip cars count as 5 parking spaces)

This is a 2nd reading where anyone from the public can speak on the topic once the topic is called.

When: Wednesday June 25
Time: 6pm
Where: City Council Chambers 280 Grove Street


Posted on: 2014/6/25 11:50
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/7/11 15:25
From Soho West
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 357
Offline
Exactly my point mooby. It's different from walking that way to go out to eat or for a drink once in a while. I've walked from there to Zeppelin Hall and to the former Maxwells- but I didn't do either every day.

Posted on: 2014/1/23 15:57
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2009/12/22 15:28
From 8th st
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 731
Offline
Quote:

hero69 wrote:
im shocked that someone thinks that 10-blocks is not walkable....i can understand this might be diificult for the elderly or handicapped but a block walk is nada imo


Walk-able is considered 1/4 of a mile from a planning perspective. Obviously that isn't always the case because some things are more worth walking to than others.

I think the point RU is trying to make is that taking 20 minutes just for the walk to and from the store to pick up eggs or cough drops is a bit much. It's walk-able, but it's not convenient for small errands or in poor weather.


Posted on: 2014/1/17 13:45
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/7/11 15:25
From Soho West
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 357
Offline
I should be clear. The project is 1st-9th st + Pavonia, Bay and Newark Streets. That's more than a 10 min walk.

There's no reason that the only stores in the area with good hours should be in the mall.

Most people in HP use Newport for a reason.

Posted on: 2014/1/17 13:11
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/13 21:38
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 3522
Offline
im shocked that someone thinks that 10-blocks is not walkable....i can understand this might be diificult for the elderly or handicapped but a block walk is nada imo

Posted on: 2014/1/16 15:00
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Not too shy to talk
Not too shy to talk


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/1/13 13:13
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 27
Offline
Quote:


Seriously? 10 blocks is very walkable on a daily basis. That's about a 10 minute walk.


beat me to it.

Posted on: 2014/1/16 13:26
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/1/3 14:12
From Van Vorst Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 2297
Offline
Quote:

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
Grove Street is 10 blocks from the proposed project. That's not walkable on an every day basis.

Funny that people are criticizing the architechture. So true, how can we let this brick building interrupt the pleasant asthetics of the "Bayonne style" two families down Manila...


Seriously? 10 blocks is very walkable on a daily basis. That's about a 10 minute walk.

Posted on: 2014/1/16 13:24
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/7/11 15:25
From Soho West
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 357
Offline
Grove Street is 10 blocks from the proposed project. That's not walkable on an every day basis.

Funny that people are criticizing the architechture. So true, how can we let this brick building interrupt the pleasant asthetics of the "Bayonne style" two families down Manila...

Posted on: 2014/1/16 13:11
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Just can't stay away
Just can't stay away


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/10/11 19:25
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 92
Offline
Wishful Thinking is not talking about the Lakewood, New Jersey community but the Lakewood, Colorado community.


Quote:

heights wrote:
Quote:

Wishful_Thinking wrote:
Check out this link to the Lakewood, CO zoning - with some involvement from us citizens and political willpower, JC's zoning can incorporate some simple, clear design/aesthetic guidelines for better buildings: http://www.lakewood.org/Article7Multi ... dSiteDesignStandards.aspx

Lakewood is different from J.C. it is a community run by a Hasidic sect similar to that of Munsey, N.Y, and West Passaic, N.J., and Williamsburg, Brooklyn. There has been lots of controversy and conflict in Lakewood between the sect and the ever-shrinking Black community. I think J.C. will have to contain a more homogenous society to achieve what Lakewood has accomplished.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/10/nyr ... ewood.html?pagewanted=all

Posted on: 2014/1/16 10:59
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2013/10/15 13:32
From Heights
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 766
Offline
Check out this link to the Lakewood, CO zoning - with some involvement from us citizens and political willpower, JC's zoning can incorporate some simple, clear design/aesthetic guidelines for better buildings: http://www.lakewood.org/Article7Multi ... dSiteDesignStandards.aspx

Posted on: 2014/1/16 10:29
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/5/28 23:09
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 692
Offline
Quote:

o73o2 wrote:
It is an unsightly building. Reminds me of a stalinist residential block where the builder ran out of money and had to improvise.


I am afraid it can't "remind" you of a stalinist residential block, since you obviously didn't see one.

Here how it looks like. Note, that Stalin was perfectly fine with letting millions of people starve if he wanted to use the resources for marble-tiled subway stations or nice looking streets for the gullible walter-duranties of the west.

It was later, during more vegetarian Khrushev times when they were building ugly buildings. And then they finally ran out of money, and the socialism collapsed.


Posted on: 2014/1/15 20:58
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2007/4/16 9:46
From Village/HP
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 476
Offline
Another interesting tidbit.... the developer said they may not even take the abatement. Because abatements come with restrictions - like number of union workers you have to use - developers may decide the cost-savings from the abatement aren't worth it.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 15:19
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2005/5/10 23:17
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 354
Offline
I have heard that NYC developers face very stringent requirements and regulations when applying for abatements.
Surely abatements in Gold Coast neighborhoods should be directly ties to on-site provision of affordable rate units similar to the 80-20 rate found in NYC.
Quote:

fraulein wrote:
At this same meeting, one of the deputy mayors said that the 10-year-abatement is competitive. In other words, if you look at some areas of Brooklyn and Long Island City, they are still offering 10-year abatements. His point was that in order to stay competitive with those areas that business/people are moving to, we have to continue to offer it. It'll plateau soon, I imagine, but I think right now they believe they still need to offer it.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 15:08
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2007/10/10 23:28
From Leashless Glory.
Group:
Banned
Posts: 2905
Offline
No. This place will do well only because it is a short walk to the PATH train which will take you to the greatest city in the world. And what's with the "I want a walking city but I can't make it to Grove Street"? Give me a break.




Quote:

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
Did anyone here actually read the link?

First off, it goes into detail about

1) the developer providing open space because the community wanted it- even though there literally another park a block and a half away

2) The development provides parking. And the mall also rents to HP residents to park. It's very unlikely it will add more street parking.

Second of all, I lived on Manila facing the garage. I had views of the JC skyline and the Freedom Tower, and I was on the third floor. No one is losing their view.

Third of all, did you not notice that Marin would have stores, not a garage? As someone who actually lived right there, and not like some other people that hate every new project, more places to get basic stuff are desperately needed.

It was only once the convenience store opened on 10th and Manila that there was any convenience store opened on a Sunday. Newport Pharmacy is barely open and neither is the convenience store on Erie and 9th. And the restaurant on 10th and Erie (now Vietnamese) and the 8th and Erie (Mexican and before that quasi-Middle Eastern) were constantly in flux. Which only made the mall/Newport harping by people on other side of town of more of a joke than it already was. No, it's not acceptable for us to have to walk all the way down Grove Street to get basic services.

Projects like this are NEEDED. Again- if you want to live in a bucolic suburb, this is NJ- go move there. This is a city. We should have tall buildings with people in them.

The remarks on the sewers and PATH are ridiculous. Not only does NJ specifically not subscribe to "timed growth" but the idea that the 2nd biggest city in the state with 250,000 people cannot handle 300 apartments is a joke.

For all the Brooklyn/Queens comparisons, please call me when their pols turn down development. Thankfully, there like here, the hipster, stroller pusher, force my middle America Ohio lifestyle except with organic food types are overruled by reality.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 14:44
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/7/11 15:25
From Soho West
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 357
Offline
Did anyone here actually read the link?

First off, it goes into detail about

1) the developer providing open space because the community wanted it- even though there literally another park a block and a half away

2) The development provides parking. And the mall also rents to HP residents to park. It's very unlikely it will add more street parking.

Second of all, I lived on Manila facing the garage. I had views of the JC skyline and the Freedom Tower, and I was on the third floor. No one is losing their view.

Third of all, did you not notice that Marin would have stores, not a garage? As someone who actually lived right there, and not like some other people that hate every new project, more places to get basic stuff are desperately needed.

It was only once the convenience store opened on 10th and Manila that there was any convenience store opened on a Sunday. Newport Pharmacy is barely open and neither is the convenience store on Erie and 9th. And the restaurant on 10th and Erie (now Vietnamese) and the 8th and Erie (Mexican and before that quasi-Middle Eastern) were constantly in flux. Which only made the mall/Newport harping by people on other side of town of more of a joke than it already was. No, it's not acceptable for us to have to walk all the way down Grove Street to get basic services.

Projects like this are NEEDED. Again- if you want to live in a bucolic suburb, this is NJ- go move there. This is a city. We should have tall buildings with people in them.

The remarks on the sewers and PATH are ridiculous. Not only does NJ specifically not subscribe to "timed growth" but the idea that the 2nd biggest city in the state with 250,000 people cannot handle 300 apartments is a joke.

For all the Brooklyn/Queens comparisons, please call me when their pols turn down development. Thankfully, there like here, the hipster, stroller pusher, force my middle America Ohio lifestyle except with organic food types are overruled by reality.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 14:07
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2013/10/15 13:32
From Heights
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 766
Offline
Quote:

hero69 wrote:
come to think of it....the facade is ugly. can't jc require developers/architects tod esign better looking buildings...they see to be able to get more non-generic stuff in brooklyn! why is that!

Just saw the rendering - hero69, you hit the nail on the head! And if you think it looks bad in the rendering, wait until you see it in person. I take PATH to WTC every day, and walk by the BMCC building that replaced the one destroyed on 9/11 - big panels of thin-set faux brick, joint sealant already failing, cheesy aluminum windows...

Admittedly, the best architecture in NYC is for very high cost developments, but perhaps with an architectural review panel and/or a contextual zoning overlay we could get better.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 13:59
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/6 16:13
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 5274
Offline
Quote:

Vigilante wrote:
Ever wonder why you see those JCMUA vacuum trucks around all the time? That's because the poop is not going anywhere. It's just sitting in the pipes under the streets.


I'm no apologist for the MUA, but that's sheer nonsense. Trust me, I'd know if my street sewer was a holding tank, it would be in my basement too. The trucks are cleaning out the blockages. When I moved here in 97 I got them to camera the street sewer, and they said it was 3/4 filled with sediment. They then cleaned it out, but it still fills when it rains because the pumps to drain the Downtown system are inadequate for a major storm, even in a low tide. But the system has never flooded just from waste to my knowledge. Insomuch as it's designed at all, that it's designed for rainfall means it's overdesigned for just sewage.

Every time people oppose some development the same tropes are trotted out, sewage, traffic, parking. Remember the hysteria that the Home Depot was going to cause a traffic apocalypse in HP? Didn't happen...or I missed it. Cordero causes far worse traffic every day.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 13:50
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2007/10/10 23:28
From Leashless Glory.
Group:
Banned
Posts: 2905
Offline
The tunnel back-up on Marin will make living there a joy. The sewage back-up will be even better. Ever wonder why you see those JCMUA vacuum trucks around all the time? That's because the poop is not going anywhere. It's just sitting in the pipes under the streets. Until they can remedy the situation they should block high density projects. Of course downtown will be underwater in a couple of decades.

Resized Image

Posted on: 2014/1/15 13:29
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/13 21:38
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 3522
Offline
come to think of it....the facade is ugly. can't jc require developers/architects tod esign better looking buildings...they see to be able to get more non-generic stuff in brooklyn! why is that!

Posted on: 2014/1/15 12:16
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/9/10 13:55
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1211
Offline
John, thanks for your response. My reference to thousands includes what is going up in Journal Square as well.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 12:12
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2007/4/16 9:46
From Village/HP
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 476
Offline
At this same meeting, one of the deputy mayors said that the 10-year-abatement is competitive. In other words, if you look at some areas of Brooklyn and Long Island City, they are still offering 10-year abatements. His point was that in order to stay competitive with those areas that business/people are moving to, we have to continue to offer it. It'll plateau soon, I imagine, but I think right now they believe they still need to offer it.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 12:08
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
Newbie
Newbie


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/6/6 18:14
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 15
Offline
Quote:

K-Lo wrote:
What is not clear to me is whether anyone is looking beyond the immediate impact of these larger buildings. What does it cost to support thousands of additional human beings in firefighters, police, teachers. Does the city have this mapped out somewhere?


A cost/benefit analysis that looks at all of these issues, plus others (like trash pickup) is performed for all abatement applications. It is included in the financial agreement.

A building this size wouldn't have "thousands" of additional human beings and the incremental costs of these new residents is likely to be far less than $1.2 million a year.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 12:05
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
#99
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/6 16:13
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 5274
Offline
I don't have a problem with the density, or the looks of the building. It's vaguely "prewar" or "lofty", and doesn't contrast with the area the way a starkly modern one would. There's 2 nearby buildings of similar height and mass. And the sewer question always raised is a red herring. The sewers are perfectly capable of transporting away our poo, even with an additional 400 toilets. What they can't do is transport away a rainstorm bigger than 3/4", a far, far larger volume.

But the abatement thing is absurd. $3k/unit PILOT for 10 years? Encouragement to develop Downtown is not needed. It's as simple as that. Why can't this simply be taken off the table? And as importantly, how do we prevent the continued abuse of abatements in areas like Journal Sq long after the point they become unnecessary there?

Posted on: 2014/1/15 12:03
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
#98
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/1/3 14:12
From Van Vorst Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 2297
Offline
There is a continued emphasis on adding tons of parking to these developments, yet time and time again the garages are not filled. In most cases they are not close to being filled. A lot of people moving here don't have a car and don't want a car. People are moving back TO cities because of the advantages of being in a walkable community.

Does it make sense to continue to add all these ugly parking structures to these buildings, that isolate the streetscape and enable people to rely on cars, speeding around our streets?

Posted on: 2014/1/15 11:33
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
#97
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2005/8/6 19:41
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 512
Offline
Does anybody know who exactly owns the Unico Towers property? I looked but can't ascertain a specific answer. Perhaps the City of Jersey City owns it? If so how much is JC getting for the sale of the property to the developer?

Posted on: 2014/1/15 11:24
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
#96
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/6/14 9:36
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 416
Offline
Quote:

fraulein wrote:
Regarding parking, one interesting insight about Grove Pointe is that only like 50-60% (don't quote me) of the spots are taken. The idea came up to sell those "spare" spots to the community for their use until a new tenant comes in. Anyway, their point was that many of their residents don't have cars and certainly 2-per-unit is uncommon.


This is true of other high rises downtown as well. The residents of the buildings don't use the full capacity. Even during weekdays, commuters don't fill up the garages.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 11:05
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
#95
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2010/1/22 10:49
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 163
Offline
Quote:

PEC0905 wrote:
Quote:

sp2xs wrote:
As a HP resident, my first concern would be parking. Our household has 1 car and I do use it every day to go to and from work. I have had good luck finding a spot nearby but would hate to lose that along with this construction.

I don't think the building looks too bad at all. It's not exactly like Marin is stretched with historic brownstones anyway. If the bottom floor can actually become a lively commercial area, it would be an improvement on that site.

Marin, in general, is such an unsightly thoroughfare. I realize that it is important for cars to get through DTJC and to/from the Holland Tunnel, but a street like that should be more friendly to pedestrians above 2nd street. It essentially is a barrier to the waterfront, which is a shame.

Looks like the new residents will have great views of the beautiful Newport parking garage! Will any adjustments be made to the garage to help access to the mall, path, light rail, etc.?


I'm all for development on Marin, this looks better than what is there now.

Regarding parking, no need to stress. The Parking Authority does not issue any permits to residents of buildings with parking garages (high rise or low rise). These new residents will not be able to park on the street for more than 2 hours and same goes for any resident of any other tower or building downtown that offers private parking.


Perhaps that is true in certain areas, but it is not the case in Hamilton Park.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 11:02
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
#94
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/9/10 13:55
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1211
Offline
What is not clear to me is whether anyone is looking beyond the immediate impact of these larger buildings. What does it cost to support thousands of additional human beings in firefighters, police, teachers. Does the city have this mapped out somewhere?

Posted on: 2014/1/15 11:01
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
#93
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2007/4/16 9:46
From Village/HP
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 476
Offline
I went to the community input meeting that Candice and team scheduled in Dec. It was very helpful, and I encourage anyone with ideas/concerns to attend the next one.

Regarding parking, one interesting insight about Grove Pointe is that only like 50-60% (don't quote me) of the spots are taken. The idea came up to sell those "spare" spots to the community for their use until a new tenant comes in. Anyway, their point was that many of their residents don't have cars and certainly 2-per-unit is uncommon.

For this Marin building, the developer heard the concerns about parking in the first community meeting so they added another level of parking to the building...this, though, added height to the building. It's a give/take.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 11:00
Print Top


Re: 400 Unit Development in Hamilton Park
#92
Quite a regular
Quite a regular


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/12/17 14:51
From Downtown
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 42
Offline
Quote:

sp2xs wrote:
As a HP resident, my first concern would be parking. Our household has 1 car and I do use it every day to go to and from work. I have had good luck finding a spot nearby but would hate to lose that along with this construction.

I don't think the building looks too bad at all. It's not exactly like Marin is stretched with historic brownstones anyway. If the bottom floor can actually become a lively commercial area, it would be an improvement on that site.

Marin, in general, is such an unsightly thoroughfare. I realize that it is important for cars to get through DTJC and to/from the Holland Tunnel, but a street like that should be more friendly to pedestrians above 2nd street. It essentially is a barrier to the waterfront, which is a shame.

Looks like the new residents will have great views of the beautiful Newport parking garage! Will any adjustments be made to the garage to help access to the mall, path, light rail, etc.?


I'm all for development on Marin, this looks better than what is there now.

Regarding parking, no need to stress. The Parking Authority does not issue any permits to residents of buildings with parking garages (high rise or low rise). These new residents will not be able to park on the street for more than 2 hours and same goes for any resident of any other tower or building downtown that offers private parking.

Posted on: 2014/1/15 10:55
Print Top




« 1 2 3 (4) 5 6 7 8 »




[Advanced Search]





Login
Username:

Password:

Remember me



Lost Password?

Register now!



LicenseInformation | AboutUs | PrivacyPolicy | Faq | Contact


JERSEY CITY LIST - News & Reviews - Jersey City, NJ - Copyright 2004 - 2017