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Well, I grew up in the USSR, the country where atheists ruled for 70 years and they slaughtered tens of millions of people and attacked few neighboring countries. Oh, and they made a pact with Nazis and together started a WWII.

Now, if we add to that what atheists did in China, Korea, Cambodia, and other places do you really think that you can find a religious war that can hold a candle to that?

Yes.

The number one cause for war is land. The second is religion. Atheists aren't going to war to broaden their lack of religion. Mao's slaughter wasn't to "spread the gospel." It was a power grab. Whenever a gun is fired between Palestine and Israel, it is because of their religion. Whenever Pol Pot lopped a head off it wasn't.

This doesn't negate the fact that there were a lot of very good things done in the name of religion. However, ignoring the fact that it has brought about more pain and suffering shouldn't be ignored.

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Just an FYI on this...

The architect, owner and attorney representing the owner came to our last VVPA meeting. We had an open discussion with them . Some in attendance were in favor of removing the lions and others were vehemently against it.

They told us that they will most likely be presenting at the next Historic Preservation Commission meeting in December. If you are unable to attend please send the VVPA an email with your thoughts on this and we will do our best to convey the neighbors pros and cons.

And if you would like to join us at future meetings or receive our newsletters you can do so by signing up at vvpa.org




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If you're trying to make a case of moral equivalency by comparing a handful of mentally ill wackjobs in the USA to tens of thousands of Muslim killings-you've lost.


What does this even fucking mean. I've read it a few times now and I have no idea what you are talking about.

And please, lets see some evidence of your muslim rapitians claim.


Could it be that someone is suffering from GAD - Generalized Anxiety Disorder ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_anxiety_disorder


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Well, I grew up in the USSR, the country where atheists ruled for 70 years and they slaughtered tens of millions of people and attacked few neighboring countries. Oh, and they made a pact with Nazis and together started a WWII.

Now, if we add to that what atheists did in China, Korea, Cambodia, and other places do you really think that you can find a religious war that can hold a candle to that?


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Try not trolling with bigotry next time.

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I'll say it again, when you start the childish insults it only proves you've lost the argument. It does amuse me, though!

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Still keeping it classy, lol.


Classy? From a Bigot?

Dude...I'm past caring. You're an idiot.


Douche. I don't need to argue...you have lost.

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This conversation is about saving a building, not about religion. Since religion is here, let me say this, the First Amendment gives me certain rights. I have never asked anyone to believe what I believe or practice my faith. I believe in free will which is a fundamental part of my faith. When I owned my multi-family house, I rented to people of all or no faith and to people and to people who are straight and gay. So I never discriminated. If you attack me because of my beliefs then you are the bigot. However, I do have a problem with people trying to rewrite history on 9/11 because as Pope Francis said recently, "...a lie is false mercy."




Um. You are an idiot too...

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I'll say it again, when you start the childish insults it only proves you've lost the argument. It does amuse me, though!

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Dude...I'm past caring. You're an idiot.

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This conversation is about saving a building, not about religion. Since religion is here, let me say this, the First Amendment gives me certain rights. I have never asked anyone to believe what I believe or practice my faith. I believe in free will which is a fundamental part of my faith. When I owned my multi-family house, I rented to people of all or no faith and to people and to people who are straight and gay. So I never discriminated. If you attack me because of my beliefs then you are the bigot. However, I do have a problem with people trying to rewrite history on 9/11 because as Pope Francis said recently, "...a lie is false mercy."



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Still keeping it classy, lol.


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Dude...I'm past caring. You're an idiot.

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Still keeping it classy, lol.

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Silly man. I guess you approve of beheadings, rapes, enslavement, all in the name of Allah.


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Monroe. You're a bigot.
JCMan8. You're a bigot.
Yvonne - you push the boundaries. But on balance your a bigot.

You have nice Fox-news sourced sound-bites. But I don't buy any of your crap.



Ah! The fuckwit talks! Want to talk genocide? How about;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

Muslim? Seriously you effing idiot - go suck someone's turd...


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Silly man. I guess you approve of beheadings, rapes, enslavement, all in the name of Allah.


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Monroe. You're a bigot.
JCMan8. You're a bigot.
Yvonne - you push the boundaries. But on balance your a bigot.

You have nice Fox-news sourced sound-bites. But I don't buy any of your crap.

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Monroe. You're a bigot.
JCMan8. You're a bigot.
Yvonne - you push the boundaries. But on balance your a bigot.

You have nice Fox-news sourced sound-bites. But I don't buy any of your crap.

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Not a very convincing rebuttal. These nutjobs are cutting off heads with dull kitchen knives, machine gunning people in trenches, and we're supposed to think they wouldn't do this?
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Tell that to the United Nations, who say that ISIS is having this done to females they've captured and enslaved.



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From Wikipedia:

Mackie writes that FGM is found "only in or adjacent to" Islamic groups."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Religion

Given the other backwards beliefs held by a majority of Muslims worldwide, such as that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for leaving Islam, that Sharia law should be established as part of the government, and (in many places) that women are the property of their husbands, I'm not sure how one can be very surprised if yet another backwards belief/practicing tradition can be ascribed to them.

Since the Wikipedia link says it is only found in or adjacent to Islamic groups, perhaps there are other religions nearby who also practice it, but it is clear that it is predominantly Muslims who practice FGM.

That's not getting into the fact that Muslims who reside in many Islamic-dominated countries are passive/ok with the fact that atheists can get the death penalty, homosexuals are executed by stoning, etc.

This video is from a moderate Muslim peace conference and shows just how different they are from the average person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpeIS25jhK4

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FGM = Female Genital Mutiliation

In communities where FGM is a traditional practice, it is practiced by community members who are Muslims, Christians, animist and even non believers. However, Muslims who practise FGM rationalize it as a Muslim religious obligation in spite of the fact that FGM predates Islam and it is interesting to note that globally most Muslims do not practise FGM.

FGM has no link with Islam and is a neither a requirement nor a Sunna in Islam. All FGM related Hadith that are allegedly attributed to Prophet Muhammad have been proved to be inauthentic.

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Which country used chemical warfare, dropped the bomb, had slavery, continue to use the death sentence, caused untold number of civilian deaths in Iraqi or Afghanistan, tortured civilians and POW's, sent mercenaries to act as security but killed civilians, had civilians locked in Guantanamo for years without conviction, went to war over a bullsiht WMD claim ... the list goes on and on, plus more returned soldiers have committed suicide then died on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan.

How this topic went off track, highlights to deep rooted racial and bigotry behavior some JClisters have and how ignorant they are. The topic is about some lions on a building being removed not war and peace bullsiht.



I don't always agree with your positions on JCLIST FAB....but your responses to this topic are so on point and even handed.......and rational. Kudos to you brave sir. :)!!!!!!!!

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Tell that to the United Nations, who say that ISIS is having this done to females they've captured and enslaved.

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Genital mutilation is not Islamic dumbass.

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If you're trying to make a case of moral equivalency by comparing a handful of mentally ill wackjobs in the USA to tens of thousands of Muslim killings-you've lost.


What does this even fucking mean. I've read it a few times now and I have no idea what you are talking about.

And please, lets see some evidence of your muslim rapitians claim.

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Which country used chemical warfare, dropped the bomb, had slavery, continue to use the death sentence, caused untold number of civilian deaths in Iraqi or Afghanistan, tortured civilians and POW's, sent mercenaries to act as security but killed civilians, had civilians locked in Guantanamo for years without conviction, went to war over a bullsiht WMD claim ... the list goes on and on, plus more returned soldiers have committed suicide then died on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan.

How this topic went off track, highlights to deep rooted racial and bigotry behavior some JClisters have and how ignorant they are. The topic is about some lions on a building being removed not war and peace bullsiht.

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If you're trying to make a case of moral equivalency by comparing a handful of mentally ill wackjobs in the USA to tens of thousands of Muslim killings-you've lost.

What is your thought on female genital mutilation as practiced in the name of Islam? Honor killings? Death penalty for gays?

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Where da rapes at, Morone?

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Shoot a flare the next time Christian's slaughter people who can't recite a Hail Mary or the Lord's Prayer.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-nor ... bels_kill_28_bus_pas.html

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Lol @ JCman8's delusional thinking. As he has stated several times now, the only way to prove him wrong is to go to one of 7 unnamed countries and declare yourself an atheist.
Meanwhile he ignores the irony of his own intolerance towards an established Mosque. He should rightly be proud that a single building in our city has housed all three major Abrahamic religions, across three centuries of immigration.
That's America, pal, so if you don't like it buy your own plane ticket and #OOPS# off somewhere else.

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The idea that western colonialism spawned the current violent backlash of Islamic fundamentalism has a shred of truth in it. Islam perceived itself as a wounded civilization when the West took off in the modern era. First it was a loss of prestige, then it was a loss of sovereignty. However, these traits are found in Islam from the beginning. While there were creative periods in Islamic history, these tend mostly to be when Islamic armies took over civilizations and then scholars sort of appropriated the local intelligentsia. This has been very important in the history of ideas, e.g Avincenna and Averroes brought Aristotle to Muslim Spain which then made it to Paris in the 12th Century.

Anyway, yes most of the Muslims who have immigrated are impressive people. They are here for a better life and can show a real appreciation for this society. On the other hand, there can be a surprising appropriation of victimhood and other special status programs. Also, I think the Muslim community has been very slow in condemning and distancing itself from the fundamentalists around the world. Also, it remains to be seen how assimilation goes after one or two generations.

I tend to think our society is a little sick- the West is sort of in a decline and fall mode (a la Spengler). Maybe this has monstrous results in a few immigrants or native born. All the 9/11 terrorists were highly educated, highly assimilated Muslims. How does one explain that? Even more surprising was that after 9/11, conversions to Islam increased exponentially. The converts appear to be particularly dangerous.

And yes, these terrorists are among us- whether on Kensington Avenue just down from the Learning Community School when in the 1993 bombers assembled the bomb right there- or last summer when this killing occurred in West Orange (but was nearly totally blacked out by the media).

http://heavy.com/news/2014/06/brendan ... d-west-orange-new-jersey/


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