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Re: Jersey City Muslims Unite Against Trump
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I am going to highlight some of the interesting findings of Professor Pape.....I would encourage the reading of the entire text.

http://chicagopolicyreview.org/2015/0 ... m-and-u-s-foreign-policy/


Your 2005 book, Dying to Win, documents a number of remarkable findings about suicide terrorism. Who are suicide terrorists, and what are they after?


For the most part they’re responding to the military occupation of a community that they care a lot about.

I put together the first complete data set of suicide attacks after 9/11. I did that because, like many people who come into suicide terrorism, I thought I was going to figure out when an Islamic fundamentalist goes from being a devout, observant Muslim to somebody who then is suicidally violent. But there was no data available, so I put together this complete database of suicide attacks around the world from the early 1980s to 2003.

I was really struck that half the suicide attacks were secular. I began to look at the patterns and I noticed that they were tightly clustered, both in where they occurred and the timing, and that 95 percent of the suicide attacks were in response to a military occupation.



Speaking of ISIS and information, what is your reaction to The Atlantic’s March cover story, “What ISIS Really Wants”?


I think it’s just wrong. [The author Graeme] Wood is painting a picture of ISIS as all religious, all the time. Interestingly in the second section he is talking about how the main difference with Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda is that ISIS really wants territory.

Wanting territory means there’s a community that wants a state. ISIS, and most suicide groups, are driven by an ideal of nationalism; they want to control their destiny with a state. ISIS is composed of a leadership of about 25 people, which is one-third very heavily religious, for sure; one-third former Saddam [Hussein] military officers who are Baathists, who are secular; and one-third who are Sunni militia, Sunni tribal leaders. That just conveniently is lost in the Wood piece.

It’s definitely the case that ISIS wants to kill people who are not part of its community. But this is normal in nationalist groups. (Hutu wanted to kill Tutsi; they also wanted to kill moderate Hutu who didn’t want to kill Tutsi.)

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Re: Jersey City Muslims Unite Against Trump
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Um okay...here ya go even back further

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(1978%E2%80%93present)

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Not quite... you have only rationalized global Muslim Terror since 2003, the start of the 2nd Iraqi War. Excluding Sept 9, 2011... in the previous decade when Bill Clinton was President, Al Qaeda attacked WTC #1, US Embassies Kenya & Tanzania, Bombing of USS Cole, all which would have been considered acts of war. And I only mention attacks on US... It seems like you and your like minded ilk think that the global Muslim terror threat only started because of George Bush. Conveniently and dangerously shortsighted. As I think about it now, one could say that Hillary's husband's inadequate responses to those attacks lead to 911? It is nice to know 15 years later it is all Bush "the lying CHRSITIAN's" fault.



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All terror an hate is wrong....killing innocents can't be justified.

You and your like minded ilk only seem to think terror comes from one particular group.

If you know your history....ISIS came out of the mess from the Iraq war....a war crime...a terror plot....orchestrated...by..say it with me....now....a lying CHRISTIAN............mission accomplished...



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So you support and justify global Muslim terror as a fair and balanced response to the 2nd Iraq War? BTW Hillary voted for that war. Surprised you didn't blame today's incident on Trump's acceptance speech.


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I know all the conservatives and neo-cons on this forum like balance and fairness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

Let's not forget this sophisticated deliberately planned terror attack...for oil and revenge led by a man who claimed he was a christian and was not a liar. Hundreds of thousands died directly and indirectly...and we are still paying for it.

This led to cruel torture, kidnapping and assassinations without any trials.



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Uh oh Pebbles... I think we just heard a "peep from one bad apple" who was part of the Muslim refugee population in Germany. I wonder how all the terror survivors of these weekly attacks feel about your benign metaphor dismissing the scale and scope of global Muslim terror. Noticed that all you Muslim Terror deniers have been quiet this week hoping this thread would roll off the main menu. Here we are again!
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Re: Jersey City Muslims Unite Against Trump
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All terror an hate is wrong....killing innocents can't be justified.

You and your like minded ilk only seem to think terror comes from one particular group.

If you know your history....ISIS came out of the mess from the Iraq war....a war crime...a terror plot....orchestrated...by..say it with me....now....a lying CHRISTIAN............mission accomplished...



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So you support and justify global Muslim terror as a fair and balanced response to the 2nd Iraq War? BTW Hillary voted for that war. Surprised you didn't blame today's incident on Trump's acceptance speech.


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I know all the conservatives and neo-cons on this forum like balance and fairness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

Let's not forget this sophisticated deliberately planned terror attack...for oil and revenge led by a man who claimed he was a christian and was not a liar. Hundreds of thousands died directly and indirectly...and we are still paying for it.

This led to cruel torture, kidnapping and assassinations without any trials.



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Uh oh Pebbles... I think we just heard a "peep from one bad apple" who was part of the Muslim refugee population in Germany. I wonder how all the terror survivors of these weekly attacks feel about your benign metaphor dismissing the scale and scope of global Muslim terror. Noticed that all you Muslim Terror deniers have been quiet this week hoping this thread would roll off the main menu. Here we are again!

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We Americans will defeat this two bit demagogue....this pale Hitler wanna be shall not be elected..... he can go back to being the two bit con artist that he is.

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Re: Jersey City Muslims Unite Against Trump
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I know all the conservatives and neo-cons on this forum like balance and fairness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

Let's not forget this sophisticated deliberately planned terror attack...for oil and revenge led by a man who claimed he was a christian and was not a liar. Hundreds of thousands died directly and indirectly...and we are still paying for it.

This led to cruel torture, kidnapping and assassinations without any trials.



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Uh oh Pebbles... I think we just heard a "peep from one bad apple" who was part of the Muslim refugee population in Germany. I wonder how all the terror survivors of these weekly attacks feel about your benign metaphor dismissing the scale and scope of global Muslim terror. Noticed that all you Muslim Terror deniers have been quiet this week hoping this thread would roll off the main menu. Here we are again!

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One of my favorite songs and so perfect for what's happening to the Republicans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8zksSKb9Zg


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Thank god for that Scot Baio voting block.....

Ted Cruz Didn’t Endorse Trump At Trump’s Own Convention

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) saw his big moment at the Republican National Convention drowned out by thunderous boos on Wednesday night as he notably declined to endorse his former foe Donald Trump for president.

The speech had started with a diametrically different tone. Cruz came out to a hero’s welcome, and earned sustained applause as he laid out a conservative case for governance.

“We deserve an immigration system that puts America first. And yes, builds a wall to keep us safe,” said the senator, in a nod to the now formal Republican presidential nominee.

But the crowd, led by the New York delegation, grew notably restless as the speech went on and Cruz refused to mention Trump’s name. Cruz acknowledged them ? “I appreciate the enthusiasm of the New York delegation” ? but kept soldiering on, a slight smirk on his face.

The restlessness turned to outright jeers when Cruz told the crowd to “vote your conscience” ? a phrase that has been adopted by the group of Republicans who had asked delegates to not coronate Trump as the nominee. And when he declared that Republicans are “fighting, not for one particular candidate or one campaign,” the boos began.

Trump’s children looked on from their box seats, stoic and not applauding.

As the speech entered its closing stages, Cruz had completely lost the crowd. Screams of “endorse” came from the rafters. And in an act of pure showmanship, the room’s eyes turned back to that Trump booth. The candidate had perfectly timed his entrance to take away attention from his former primary foe.

Cruz had been upstaged while standing on the stage.

Critics will say that he had tried to be too clever by half. But the truth is, much of Wednesday night’s drama shouldn’t have come as a surprise. Over the course of the week at the Republican National Convention, one of the more entertaining side shows has been the battle among Republican elites to position themselves for the 2020 election. And no politician has been on the receiving end of more of that 2020 chatter ? facilitated, in part, by his top adviser ? than Cruz.

The Texas senator is naturally positioned to emerge from the wake of a Trump electoral defeat, should that loss transpire. He won the second most delegates during the 2016 primary, and as the most high-profile conservative in the party, he gives GOP voters a chance to move on from a Trump loss without moving ideologically to the middle.

Cruz has carefully fed the chatter. Well before he took the stage, it was leaked that he would not formally back Trump, in a speech he reportedly wrote himself. Part of it, naturally, is that the Trump campaign treated him like hell during the primary, mocking his wife, suggesting he had engaged in multiple affairs, and saying his father hobnobbed with Lee Harvey Oswald. But part of it is also because he wants to emerge as the candidate regretful Republicans turn to after the fall.

“Gotta give the guy credit. That’s stand-up. I’ve got to give him credit for his integrity to hold up and hold his own chops,” said a Wyoming delegate who said he was originally bound to Cruz. “At the same time, I know that he’s a good Republican and he’s going to back the Republican Party. And I’ve got to say, he’s not alone in this. He is by far from being alone.”

But by letting it be known early on that he would not formally endorse, Cruz also gave the Trump campaign plenty of time to prepare.

“He had an opportunity to blow the roof off the place, and he blew it,” said Carl Paladino, the Buffalo real estate developer who is one of Trump’s top backers in the state.

Peter Kalikow, the former owner of the New York Post and New York delegate, said he wasn’t surprised that Cruz didn’t endorse Trump.

“No, nothing stupid that he does ever surprises me,” he said.

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Of course he has a shot at winning.....he won the Republican Circus Primary.

Even though Hillary has horrible favorable ratings like Trump. She has several advantages going into the General.

A united Democratic party. A broad coalition of support among many groups. A healthy ground game that is already working in the states. A fundraising advantage. A seasoned and professional staff. She could put the icing on the cake by being bold and going with a progressive....she really shouldn't go with a safe VP pick. She has much more political experience an should be able to better navigate the challenges ahead.

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That's nice but if you look at the rank and file Republicans at the convention there are few if any people of color.

I wonder why a majority of African Americans will not vote for the GOP?

I wonder why a majority of Hispanic Americans will not vote for the GOP?

I wonder why a large percentage of Women will not be voting for the GOP?

I wonder why a large percentage of Asians will not be voting for the GOP?

I wonder why a majority of Muslim Americans will not be voting for the GOP?

So far over 300,000 Muslim Americans have newly registered to vote.......African American participation is not expected to drop this election....some analysts believe it might be even higher than elections that got Obama elected. Hispanic Americans are also pushing their communities to register an vote........

Trumps chances of winning....are small.

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I guess Atsushi didn't see the debates-three old, career white politicians vs Latinos, black, female, whites of various backgrounds. Which party had more diverse candidates?

Of course, if crooked Hillary picks Elizabeth Warren she can claim the Cherokee diversity card! You know, high cheekbones and all.


Do you consider a 38% chance small? I don't. Trump is very much in play.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

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That's nice but if you look at the rank and file Republicans at the convention there are few if any people of color.

I wonder why a majority of African Americans will not vote for the GOP?

I wonder why a majority of Hispanic Americans will not vote for the GOP?

I wonder why a large percentage of Women will not be voting for the GOP?

I wonder why a large percentage of Asians will not be voting for the GOP?

I wonder why a majority of Muslim Americans will not be voting for the GOP?

So far over 300,000 Muslim Americans have newly registered to vote.......African American participation is not expected to drop this election....some analysts believe it might be even higher than elections that got Obama elected. Hispanic Americans are also pushing their communities to register an vote........

Trumps chances of winning....are small.

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I guess Atsushi didn't see the debates-three old, career white politicians vs Latinos, black, female, whites of various backgrounds. Which party had more diverse candidates?

Of course, if crooked Hillary picks Elizabeth Warren she can claim the Cherokee diversity card! You know, high cheekbones and all.

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Im almost tempted to support the Republicans....who else is battling Lucifer and seeking inspiration from MY LITTLE PONIES?!?!

I think you have a point K-Lo. The party is under the control of the extreme right wing....and they are not using dog whistles anymore...they are just coming straight out with their raw naked hateful ideas and aggressions.

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The convention isn't fairing so well. What I'm really curious about is whether this signals the end of the GOP.....an maybe the rise of a new party made up of more moderate and liberal republicans ....with a smattering of independents.

I mean a party made up of old white men isn't really going to cut it...not with the projected future demographics of this nation.

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Hey! You leave my favorite cartoon character out of this. We all know Trump runs a Mickey Mouse operation!


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I'll take crooked Hillary over lyin' Donald any day of the week. Donald duck belongs in a lake, not in the white house

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That was a horrible case an hopefully the Brits learned from it....but if you think this occurs only with muslims...your out of your mind.... here ya go ...and i left out the catholic church abuse crisis cause that would be too easy. I am sure you are going to gloss over all these cases or make excuses or not even bother to address anything i have noted....that is how many of you angry trumpeters work on JCLIST.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner

http://www.theweek.co.uk/59321/former ... -child-sex-abuse-cover-up

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/ ... ndal-similar-to-jimmy-sa/

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new ... a-sex-abuse-34846346.html

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/a-read ... -child-sex-abuse-scandal/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ ... hile-scandal-hero-8435411

https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/02/ ... vereign-grace-ministries/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_child_sex_abuse_scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jameis_W ... Sexual_assault_allegation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_H ... _abuse_allegations_emerge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ai ... al_harassment_allegations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Open_Secret

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That's because when Muslims go on child raping sprees, the authorities don't go after them for fear of being seen as "racist."

And no, this is not fear mongering. It actually happened in England.

Educate yourself about the 1,400 children who were sexually abused by Muslims in Rotherham England, and the "institutionalized political correctness" behind the cover up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherha ... xual_exploitation_scandal

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Rape is wrong no matter who commits it....so stop it with your hate filled fear mongering.

Take a look at the statistics about who does commit rape. Majority of them are committed by white men.

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence


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Hillary wants to import many more of the same Muslim "migrants" and "refugees" who keep mowing down people in France. No surprise that France has the most Muslims in the EU.

Racists being racists… just keep ignoring the facts that the terrorists were from France. It’s cool. It isn’t like you care about facts anyway…

Canada has taken close to 30,000 immigrants from Syria and not a peep. But, yeah, you keep hiding under your bed like the pathetic little coward you are.



More BS from the resident expert about Canada.... here is a Muslim Terror Peep you missed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_shootings_at_Parliament_Hill,_Ottawa

I guess you missed the part about the guy growing up in Canada as a Catholic that converted to Islam. But, sure, I guess if you have only about two brain cells you can make the argument that he was a refugee...

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I guess you haven't been paying attention to all the savage attacks on women by these poor defenseless Muslim immigrants in Europe. We let the Somalis in unchecked and we know there are security issues all the way from Minnesota to Maine. Not sure why you bring up the fact the Muslim Terrorist was a Catholic before getting sucked into Islam. Many of the Muslim Terror Killers here in the US are converts. So we have to deal with the Muslim Killer a--holes we let in... the US born dolts that convert to Islam and only after reading the part in the Koran about getting laid by 70 Muslim Virgins by killing infidels while fools like you and Hillary want to let 500,000 more into the country unchecked? Astounding!
Try defending this douchebag... http://www.eagletribune.com/news/syri ... e6-a636-df236dc0f40f.html and please don't cite the slow immigration article in the link, that liberal rag had to print the local pool story because it went national, the little piece of MSM propaganda about "slow immigration" was because the Syrian poster boy went bad.

I guess when you have facts presented to you about Canada, you just shift the goal posts and start talking about Europe. Keep going with your nonsense. I am enjoying the incoherence of it all.


Douche Bag.... no comment about the Syrian assault in Massachusetts???
Here is some Canadian News ,,, http://www.therebel.media/cbc_won_t_n ... use_he_s_a_muslim_migrant
Now you try to connect the dots...

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Re: Jersey City Muslims Unite Against Trump
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I just made some guac right now, have it chilling in the fridge.

The only difference with my recipe is that i added a table spoon of mayo and i use chili flakes..oh...an i forgot to put in cilantro. no biggie i can mix it in later when i have it with toast. Yum!

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Source: 7 officers shot; 3 feared dead in Baton Rouge

By Carma Hassan and Vivian Kuo, CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/us/bato ... olice-shooting/index.html


What does this have to do with trump and Muslims?

Nothing!

Since this thread is so off topic.

Here is my fav guacamole recipe

avocados - peeled, pitted, and mashed
Avocado Hass

2 ct For $3.00 - expires in 4 days

1 lime, juiced 1 teaspoon salt 1/2 cup diced onion 3 tablespoons chopped fresh cilantro 2 roma (plum) tomatoes, diced 1 teaspoon minced garlic 1 pinch ground cayenne pepper (optional)

Enjoy!

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Im not sure where you are getting your info from MDM but its still too early to guess with certainty who was behind the coup.

The junior officer corps are still very secular....an doubt they would work with hardcore islamists. And if your referring to the Gullen movement they are hardly radicals. They had a falling out with Erdogan because they felt he was chipping away at democracy by centralizing power for himself.

You might want to read up on them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen


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lol. turkish army has taken control of the country. assad has lasted longer than erdogan.


Erdogan purged the military of the pro-West / Secular elements of the officer corp a long while back. It appears (for now) that the coup leaders are hard core Islamists that Erdogan allowed to move up in the ranks. Apparently Erdogan lost control of the beast, which has decided Edrogan wasn't Muslim enough and therefore (for the time being) has been removed from power.

Turkey controls the largest and most capable conventional army in Europe. Given that it is a NATO member, we are obligated to defend Turkey if it gets into a fight with say, Russia. Which is something Turkey has been trying damn hard to instigate.


Incorrect, Article 5 of NATO says we are only obligated to aid Turkey if they are attacked, not if they are the aggressor.

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Dear Heights,

I am willing to pay for your first class ticket to go and fight ISIS...please let me know which airport you wish to depart from. And if you have friends and other hate filled people who want to take the fight to the enemy...i am ready to buy them tickets.

God bless and thank you for your courage!

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It's amazing how many people are chanting racist, meds, and prejudice. Face the facts it was muslims that are behind this. And please be more patriotic after all you are living in America. Now the first step is to oust all muslim lovers from this thread, second step elect Trump so he can oust muslims from America. There, problem solved.


Muslim immigration must be banned and Muslims here must be monitored. Can't keep ignoring the true problem.

I agree with this, it is a sound solution for future / potential problems. For those that disagree please contribute an alternative idea..

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I know people on here especially the right wing conservatives and neocon reactionaries will find this horrible....but this is such a brilliant idea.

Really great idea and it would cost nothing to implement or oversee. :)


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I'm all for the idea that requires all Mayors and State Officials to wear jackets that display all sponsor logos like NASCAR drivers do.
This will allow 'Joe Citizen' to understand who actually has the 'ears' and support / purse strings from our elected officials and public servants ... At times I wonder why we need to vote in individuals in the first place, when we are really voting on the sponsors and what they want !

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


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It's amazing how many people are chanting racist, meds, and prejudice. Face the facts it was muslims that are behind this. And please be more patriotic after all you are living in America. Now the first step is to oust all muslim lovers from this thread, second step elect Trump so he can oust muslims from America. There, problem solved.

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I for one submit to our sugar coated circular overlords. ;)



Krispy Kreme donuts are yummy...and they should just stick to making great donuts....I wish DD could really improve their donuts....they are pretty terrible.



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It's over. It's beautiful. It's great. It's huge. It's terrific. Let me tell you folks ya are going to be sick of it.


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Michael Caputo, a Trump adviser and head of the communications for Trump's caucus operations team, tweeted "Ding Dong the witch is dead" following the news that Lewandowski had been fired.


Today in ‘Donald Trump’s Campaign Is a Garbage Fire’


Trump’s campaign, reports the Associated Press, has 30 paid staff on the ground across the United States of America. That is a smaller number than the Hillary Clinton campaign has in many states. Clinton’s massive ground advantage is supplemented by an even more massive television-advertising advantage.



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As usual brewster, you remain one of the smartest and well thinking posters on this board.

Your observation is correct. Neoliberalism cloaks it's ideas with the language of classical liberalism...especially the ideas that people have the right to live their lives with little interference.

So Neoliberals believe that the private sector should be largely unregulated and it should be subsidized by the public sector. For example: corporate welfare and huge cuts in social welfare programs.

And you are correct many Republicans like Regan and Thachter pushed Neoliberlism polices. But its not only a GOP thing.

The Clintons are very much neoliberals....and Hillary is a supporter to TTP.

I hope this makes more sense. But check out Chomsky's defintion of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1dv2xkPsz0

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Noam Chomsky: Trans-Pacific Partnership is a “neoliberal assault”
The political theorist and linguist slams the agreement that has little to do with free trade



Critics of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement — a purported free trade deal between 11 countries, including the U.S., Canada and Japan, which has been in negotiations for some years — have noted that the deal has little to do with free trade. Rather, the TPP is about limiting regulation, helping corporate interests and imposes fiercer standards of intellectual property (to, again, largely benefit corporate interests).

Noam Chomsky has joined the chorus decrying the TPP. On Monday he told HuffPost Live that the deal, which is not yet finalized, is “designed to carry forward the neoliberal project to maximize profit and domination, and to set the working people in the world in competition with one another so as to lower wages to increase insecurity.

Chomsky said it was “a joke” that the deal is designated a “free trade” agreement. “It’s called free trade, but that’s just a joke,” Chomsky said. “These are extreme, highly protectionist measures designed to undermine freedom of trade. In fact, much of what’s leaked about the TPP indicates that it’s not about trade at all, it’s about investor rights.”

The MIT professor also slammed the veil of secrecy that has surrounded TPP negotiations. Information on the deal available to Congress has even been highly limited. Were it not for a document leak published by WikiLeaks, the public would know almost nothing about the content of TPP negotiations. On reviewing the leaked draft TPP chapter, intellectual property law expert Dr. Matthew Rimmer called the deal, “a Christmas wish-list for major corporations.”

As Chomsky noted:

It’s very hard to make anything of the TPP because it’s been kept very secret. A half-secret, I should say. It’s not secret from the hundreds of corporate lawyers and lobbyists who are writing the legislation. To them, it’s perfectly public. They’re, in fact, writing it. It’s being kept secret from the population. Which of course raises obvious questions.


How is any of that "Liberal"? it mostly sounds like classic GOP "business first" policy. Unless "neo-liberal" is a new term for the Clinton-Gore "New Democrat" policy of beating conservatives by coopting just enough of their policies to win.

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http://www.salon.com/2014/01/13/choms ... _is_a_neoliberal_assault/

Noam Chomsky: Trans-Pacific Partnership is a “neoliberal assault”
The political theorist and linguist slams the agreement that has little to do with free trade



Critics of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement — a purported free trade deal between 11 countries, including the U.S., Canada and Japan, which has been in negotiations for some years — have noted that the deal has little to do with free trade. Rather, the TPP is about limiting regulation, helping corporate interests and imposes fiercer standards of intellectual property (to, again, largely benefit corporate interests).

Noam Chomsky has joined the chorus decrying the TPP. On Monday he told HuffPost Live that the deal, which is not yet finalized, is “designed to carry forward the neoliberal project to maximize profit and domination, and to set the working people in the world in competition with one another so as to lower wages to increase insecurity.

Chomsky said it was “a joke” that the deal is designated a “free trade” agreement. “It’s called free trade, but that’s just a joke,” Chomsky said. “These are extreme, highly protectionist measures designed to undermine freedom of trade. In fact, much of what’s leaked about the TPP indicates that it’s not about trade at all, it’s about investor rights.”

The MIT professor also slammed the veil of secrecy that has surrounded TPP negotiations. Information on the deal available to Congress has even been highly limited. Were it not for a document leak published by WikiLeaks, the public would know almost nothing about the content of TPP negotiations. On reviewing the leaked draft TPP chapter, intellectual property law expert Dr. Matthew Rimmer called the deal, “a Christmas wish-list for major corporations.”

As Chomsky noted:

It’s very hard to make anything of the TPP because it’s been kept very secret. A half-secret, I should say. It’s not secret from the hundreds of corporate lawyers and lobbyists who are writing the legislation. To them, it’s perfectly public. They’re, in fact, writing it. It’s being kept secret from the population. Which of course raises obvious questions.

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Trump, His Virus and the Dark Age of Unreason

By Bill Moyers





There’s a virus infecting our politics and right now it’s flourishing with a scarlet heat. It feeds on fear, paranoia and bigotry. All that was required for it to spread was a timely opportunity — and an opportunist with no scruples.

There have been stretches of history when this virus lay dormant. Sometimes it would flare up here and there, then fade away after a brief but fierce burst of fever. At other moments, it has spread with the speed of a firestorm, a pandemic consuming everything in its path, sucking away the oxygen of democracy and freedom.

Today its carrier is Donald Trump, but others came before him: narcissistic demagogues who lie and distort in pursuit of power and self-promotion. Bullies all, swaggering across the landscape with fistfuls of false promises, smears, innuendo and hatred for others, spite and spittle for anyone of a different race, faith, gender or nationality.

In America, the virus has taken many forms: “Pitchfork Ben” Tillman, the South Carolina governor and senator who led vigilante terror attacks with a gang called the Red Shirts and praised the efficiency of lynch mobs; radio’s charismatic Father Charles Coughlin, the anti-Semitic, pro-Fascist Catholic priest who reached an audience of up to 30 million with his attacks on Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal; Mississippi’s Theodore Bilbo, a member of the Ku Klux Klan who vilified ethnic minorities and deplored the “mongrelization” of the white race; Louisiana’s corrupt and dictatorial Huey Long, who promised to make “Every Man a King.” And of course, George Wallace, the governor of Alabama and four-time presidential candidate who vowed, “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.”

Note that many of these men leavened their gospel of hate and their lust for power with populism — giving the people hospitals, schools and highways. Father Coughlin spoke up for organized labor. Both he and Huey Long campaigned for the redistribution of wealth. Tillman even sponsored the first national campaign-finance reform law, the Tillman Act, in 1907, banning corporate contributions to federal candidates.

But their populism was tinged with poison — a pernicious nativism that called for building walls to keep out people and ideas they didn’t like.


Which brings us back to Trump and the hotheaded, ego-swollen provocateur he most resembles: Joseph McCarthy, U.S. senator from Wisconsin — until now perhaps our most destructive demagogue. In the 1950s, this madman terrorized and divided the nation with false or grossly exaggerated tales of treason and subversion — stirring the witches’ brew of anti-Communist hysteria with lies and manufactured accusations that ruined innocent people and their families. “I have here in my hand a list,” he would claim — a list of supposed Reds in the State Department or the military. No one knew whose names were there, nor would he say, but it was enough to shatter lives and careers.

In the end, McCarthy was brought down. A brave journalist called him out on the same television airwaves that helped the senator become a powerful, national sensation. It was Edward R. Murrow, and at the end of an episode exposing McCarthy on his CBS series See It Now, Murrow said:

“It is necessary to investigate before legislating, but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one, and the junior senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between the internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.”

There also was the brave and moral lawyer Joseph Welch, acting as chief counsel to the U.S. Army after it was targeted for one of McCarthy’s inquisitions. When McCarthy smeared one of his young associates, Welch responded in full view of the TV and newsreel cameras during hearings in the Senate. “You’ve done enough,” Welch said. “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?... If there is a God in heaven, it will do neither you nor your cause any good. I will not discuss it further.”

It was a devastating moment. Finally, McCarthy’s fellow senators — including a handful of brave Republicans — turned on him, putting an end to the reign of terror. It was 1954. A motion to censure McCarthy passed 67-22, and the junior senator from Wisconsin was finished. He soon disappeared from the front pages, and three years later was dead.

Here’s something McCarthy said that could have come straight out of the Trump playbook: “McCarthyism is Americanism with its sleeves rolled.” Sounds just like The Donald, right? Interestingly, you can draw a direct line from McCarthy to Trump — two degrees of separation. In a Venn diagram of this pair, the place where the two circles overlap, the person they share in common, is a fellow named Roy Cohn.

Cohn was chief counsel to McCarthy’s Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, the same one Welch went up against. Cohn was McCarthy’s henchman, a master of dark deeds and dirty tricks. When McCarthy fell, Cohn bounced back to his hometown of New York and became a prominent Manhattan wheeler-dealer, a fixer representing real estate moguls and mob bosses — anyone with the bankroll to afford him. He worked for Trump’s father, Fred, beating back federal prosecution of the property developer, and several years later would do the same for Donald. “If you need someone to get vicious toward an opponent,” Trump told a magazine reporter in 1979, “you get Roy.” To another writer he said, “Roy was brutal but he was a very loyal guy.”

Cohn introduced Trump to his McCarthy-like methods of strong-arm manipulation and to the political sleazemeister Roger Stone, another dirty trickster and unofficial adviser to Trump who just this week suggested that Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin was a disloyal American who may be a spy for Saudi Arabia, a “terrorist agent.”

Cohn also introduced Trump to the man who is now his campaign chair, Paul Manafort, the political consultant and lobbyist who without a moral qualm in the world has made a fortune representing dictators — even when their interests flew in the face of human rights or official US policy.

So the ghost of Joseph McCarthy lives on in Donald Trump as he accuses President Obama of treason, slanders women, mocks people with disabilities, and impugns every politician or journalist who dares call him out for the liar and bamboozler he is. The ghosts of all the past American demagogues live on in him as well, although none of them have ever been so dangerous — none have come as close to the grand prize of the White House.


Because even a pathological liar occasionally speaks the truth, Trump has given voice to many who feel they’ve gotten a raw deal from establishment politics, who see both parties as corporate pawns, who believe they have been cheated by a system that produces enormous profits from the labor of working men and women that are gobbled up by the 1 percent at the top. But again, Trump’s brand of populism comes with venomous race-baiting that spews forth the red-hot lies of a forked and wicked tongue.

We can hope for journalists with the courage and integrity of an Edward R. Murrow to challenge this would-be tyrant, to put the truth to every lie and publicly shame the devil for his outrages. We can hope for the likes of Joseph Welch, who demanded to know whether McCarthy had any sense of decency. Think of Gonzalo Curiel, the jurist Trump accused of persecuting him because of the judge’s Mexican heritage. Curiel has revealed the soulless little man behind the curtain of Trump’s alleged empire, the avaricious money-grubber who conned hard-working Americans out of their hard-won cash to attend his so-called “university.”

And we can hope there still remain in the Republican Party at least a few brave politicians who will stand up to Trump, as some did McCarthy. This might be a little harder. For every Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham who have announced their opposition to Trump, there is a weaselly Paul Ryan, a cynical Mitch McConnell and a passel of fellow travelers up and down the ballot who claim not to like Trump and who may not wholeheartedly endorse him but will vote for him in the name of party unity.

As this headline in The Huffington Postaptly put it, “Republicans Are Twisting Themselves Into Pretzels To Defend Donald Trump.” Ten GOP senators were interviewed about Trump and his attack on Judge Curiel’s Mexican heritage. Most hemmed and hawed about their presumptive nominee. As Trump “gets to reality on things he’ll change his point of view and be, you know, more responsible.” That was Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah. Trump’s comments were “racially toxic” but “don’t give me any pause.” That was Tim Scott of South Carolina, the only Republican African-American in the Senate. And Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas? He said Trump’s words were “unfortunate.” Asked if he was offended, Jennifer Bendery writes, the senator “put his fingers to his lips, gestured that he was buttoning them shut, and shuffled away.”

No profiles in courage there. But why should we expect otherwise? Their acquiescence, their years of kowtowing to extremism in the appeasement of their base, have allowed Trump and his nightmarish sideshow to steal into the tent and take over the circus. Alexander Pope once said that party spirit is at best the madness of the many for the gain of a few. A kind of infection, if you will — a virus that spreads through the body politic, contaminating all. Trump and his ilk would sweep the promise of America into the dustbin of history unless they are exposed now to the disinfectant of sunlight, the cleansing torch of truth. Nothing else can save us from the dark age of unreason that would arrive with the triumph of Donald Trump.

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Islam, see my previous post, is in some ways more tolerant of male homosexuality in practice than Christianity or Judaism, having a strongly misogynistic cast and no concept of natural law.


I'm not sure what you are trying to say nor am familiar with ur sources but here you go:

http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view ... 0001/acprof-9780199579006


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law#Islamic_natural_law

Ab? Rayh?n al-B?r?n?, an Islamic scholar and polymath scientist, understood natural law as the survival of the fittest. He argued that the antagonism between human beings can only be overcome through a divine law, which he believed to have been sent through prophets. This is also the position of the Ashari school, the largest school of Sunni theology.[82] Averroes (Ibn Rushd), in his treatise on Justice and Jihad and his commentary on Plato's Republic, writes that the human mind can know of the unlawfulness of killing and stealing and thus of the five maqasid or higher intents of the Islamic sharia or to protect religion, life, property, offspring, and reason. The concept of natural law entered the mainstream of Western culture through his Aristotelian commentaries, influencing the subsequent Averroist movement and the writings of Thomas Aquinas.[83]




The Maturidi school, the second largest school of Sunni theology, posits the existence of a form of natural law. Abu Mansur al-Maturidi stated that the human mind could know of the existence of God and the major forms of 'good' and 'evil' without the help of revelation. Al-Maturidi gives the example of stealing, which is known to be evil by reason alone due to man's working hard for his property. Killing, fornication, and drinking alcohol were all 'evils' the human mind could know of according to al-Maturidi. The concept of Istislah in Islamic law bears some similarities to the natural law tradition in the West, as exemplified by Thomas Aquinas. However, whereas natural law deems good what is self-evidently good, according as it tends towards the fulfilment of the person, istislah calls good whatever is connected to one of five "basic goods". Al-Ghazali abstracted these "basic goods" from the legal precepts in the Qur'an and Sunnah: they are religion, life, reason, lineage and property. Some add also "honour". Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya also posited that human reason could discern between 'great sins' and good deeds.[citation needed]

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Republicans Are Erasing LGBTQ People From Their Own Tragedy




In the wake of the mass shooting at Pulse, an LGBTQ nightclub in Orlando, Florida, both Republican and Democratic politicians took to Twitter to express their condolences. Because the massacre appears to have targeted sexual minorities, this created a somewhat surreal effect: The sight of GOP politicians—some of the same ones who have devoted much of their careers fighting to deprive gays of their civil rights—sympathizing with the very people whom they have long bashed in a bid for conservative votes. Consider Sen. Marco Rubio:

Rubio is a staunch opponent of same-sex marriage and would like to overturn the Supreme Court’s ruling affirming gay people’s constitutional right to wed. Worse, when Rubio served as Florida’s House majority leader, the state’s foster care system was in a crisis: Due to a severe lack of foster parents, children were essentially being imprisoned in inhumane conditions. One possible solution would be to lift Florida’s ban on allowing gay people to foster children. Rubio rejected the idea. “Some of these kids are the most disadvantaged in the state,” he explained. “They shouldn't be forced to be part of a social experiment.”

Even more surreally, see former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee:

But if it were up to Huckabee, gay people would not be legally permitted to start their own families. Huckabee staunchly opposes same-sex marriage, civil unions, and gay adoption. In explaining his opposition to gay adoption in particular, he declared, “Children are not puppies. This is not a time to see if we can experiment and find out, how does this work?” At various points in his career, Huckabee has also said that AIDS patients should be quarantined; that homosexuality is a “lifestyle” similar to drinking alcohol; and that legalizing same-sex marriage is analogous to legalizing incest and drug use. When the Supreme Court invalidated a federal same-sex marriage ban, Huckabee tweeted: “Jesus wept.”

There are many more examples of aggressively anti-gay politicians tweeting about the Pulse shooting, but one common thread ties them together: None of them mention that the shooting targeted, or even involved, the LGBTQ community. Indeed, not a single congressional Republican who tweeted about the shooting mentioned LGBTQ people. That stands in stark contrast to President Barack Obama’s clear assertion that “shooter targeted a nightclub” where “lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender people “came together to be with friends, to dance, sing, and live,” and “to raise awareness and speak their minds and advocate for their civil rights.”

Republicans’ silence is actually quite apt. As a party, after all, the GOP has spent decades attempting to degrade sexual minorities and even drive them out of public life. It is altogether fitting, then, that conservative politicians are erasing LGBTQ people from their own tragedy. The gesture of support, I suppose, is basically benevolent. But let’s be clear about this: The 50 victims of Orlando’s LGBTQ nightclub massacre died as full and equal citizens under the law in spite of the Republican party’s best efforts to relegate them to second-class citizenship.

Read more from Slate on the Orlando nightclub shooting.

Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers the law and LGBTQ issues.

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Wow. Loss for words about your assumptions/hate......

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(computer_programmer)

Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement lists name calling as the lowest type of argument in a disagreement.
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Hey Stupid.... your point is what??? An Imam In Orlando is quoted as saying the it is "compassionate" to kill gay people and put them out of their misery.... after the tweet did someone run out and shoot up a mosque? F'Off Fool!


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Anti-LGBT Texas Lt. Gov. Tweets: ‘Man Reaps What He Sows’

Dan Patrick, the anti-LGBT lieutenant governor of Texas, tweeted the biblical phrase “man reaps what he sows” hours after an attack on a gay nightclub in Florida killed at least 50 people.

Patrick, a Republican, introduced legislation to force transgender students to use the bathroom of the gender listed on their birth certificates. “The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction,” the passage from Galatians 6:7 continues.

According to a Patrick spokesperson, the tweet was “pre-scheduled.” The governor's account eventually deleted the tweet entirely.



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Anti-LGBT Texas Lt. Gov. Tweets: ‘Man Reaps What He Sows’

Dan Patrick, the anti-LGBT lieutenant governor of Texas, tweeted the biblical phrase “man reaps what he sows” hours after an attack on a gay nightclub in Florida killed at least 50 people.

Patrick, a Republican, introduced legislation to force transgender students to use the bathroom of the gender listed on their birth certificates. “The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction,” the passage from Galatians 6:7 continues.

According to a Patrick spokesperson, the tweet was “pre-scheduled.” The governor's account eventually deleted the tweet entirely.



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