corybraiterman wrote:
The only other bone to pick with that article I've got is "Chilltown". Who in the fk calls jersey city that? Been here since the 80s and I can honestly say I've never heard this moniker before.

Thanks, but no thanks - I prefer not to give people a reason to come here. I like it just fine without tourists. Hell, I don't want a Trader Joe's or even high capacity restaurants that bring in people, usually by car, from other nabes or surrounding towns. I like the fact that we now have some nice restaurants, but couldn't care less about galleries and theatres. If God had wanted galleries, theatres, museums, etc. in JC she wouldn't have created Manhattan and the public transit to get there (this may be the work of the devil, but I'll leave that to the more theologically inclined).

tommyc_37 wrote:
I completely disagree that bars automatically make a place douchey. Aside from Hoboken, can you point to an urban example?

Pebble wrote:
I find the article silly since it really is true that nobody staying in Jersey City to go to the Super Bowl will hang out in much of Jersey City. They don?t want to see The Beacon. They don?t care about the Burger King in McGinley Square. The Heights will only be known to them as a place their waiter or waitress lives. They are staying in JC because it costs less than staying in Manhattan and they heard the players of the teams were staying here and they heard the players of the teams were staying here.

At best, they might go to some bars or restaurants in DTJC, like Barcade, Zeppelin Hall, Taqueria, etc, to grab a drink on an evening when they don?t want to trudge into New York because they don?t feel like cramming in with commuters or are just tired of walking.

Heck, look at the events list for the Super Bowl:
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/48/events/boulevard

There isn?t a single event outside of Manhattan.

It would be great if some of these people spent their money here. Tourist dollars are great for business. I just don?t really see it.

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CdeCoincy wrote:
Maybe it's me, but if I were coming in from out of town for the Superbowl, and had a hotel room in Jersey City - the majority of which are near Newport or Exchange Place PATH stations, why would I spend my free time in Jersey City? Wouldn't I be heading into Manhattan? Isn't this article really condescending to visitors? Maybe we should have tee shirts printed up: I Was Five Minutes From One of the Greatest Cities in the World, But I Chose To Eat at the Food Court at Newport Mall.

OH, and how about toning down the subjects - is this really the WORST article? This reminds me of a VERY rich friend or an IMPRESSIVE new restaurant.

And this is the point I've made countless times. Give people reason to come here as opposed to Manhattan. Time and time again people here prove they are proud to just be a bunch of kisses to NYC and just let NYC get everything and back down at every idea that would bring people here.The whole point is to make THIS city a destination. Obviously a few night clubs, or whatever other forms of entertainment you can think of, won't bring people in droves but I really am tired of people just giving up with their only reasoning being "because NYC".

Thanks, but no thanks - I prefer not to give people a reason to come here. I like it just fine without tourists. Hell, I don't want a Trader Joe's or even high capacity restaurants that bring in people, usually by car, from other nabes or surrounding towns. I like the fact that we now have some nice restaurants, but couldn't care less about galleries and theatres. If God had wanted galleries, theatres, museums, etc. in JC she wouldn't have created Manhattan and the public transit to get there (this may be the work of the devil, but I'll leave that to the more theologically inclined).

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vindication15 wrote:
I want to defend user111 here. I don't think he hates white people. I think he hates rich people. This is evident given his posts about dtjc, what "rich" really means (if you need a definition of rich, you aren't rich), and his shielding of the dangers of Greenville and BL.

More importantly, I agree with CdeCoincy, people who stay in DTJC will most likely just be going to Manhattan.

We minus well be newark airport to them. Who's to blame? The current status of Greenville and BL is to be blame, to be honest. If we were not known to be a dangerous ghetto, then more people would take an interest.

I would take "biege" "bland" "cookie-cutter" to dangerous ghetto any day of the week and twice on sundays.

Jersey City's perception challenge in 2014 is not that it's the dangerous ghetto. That might have been the perception in 2005.

In 2014, the perception is that Jersey City is simply "out there in Jersey". A lot of people, specifically those who haven't been in the area very long, have no idea how connected Jersey City is to Manhattan and they pass it off dismissively as "Jersey" versus a very integrated, accessible, and urban mid sized city.

I haven't met anybody under the age of 40 who has heard of Jersey City and thinks it's the ghetto.

Though downtown neighborhoods have gotten safer, neighborhoods farther out still struggle with high crime rates.

Jersey City has long attracted the Wall Street crowd to its splash of waterfront high-rises that promise cheaper rent and a speedy ride to Manhattan. But for years, the rest of the city was an afterthought with a reputation for high crime, failing schools and a lack of night life.

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CdeCoincy wrote:
Maybe it's me, but if I were coming in from out of town for the Superbowl, and had a hotel room in Jersey City - the majority of which are near Newport or Exchange Place PATH stations, why would I spend my free time in Jersey City? Wouldn't I be heading into Manhattan? Isn't this article really condescending to visitors? Maybe we should have tee shirts printed up: I Was Five Minutes From One of the Greatest Cities in the World, But I Chose To Eat at the Food Court at Newport Mall.

OH, and how about toning down the subjects - is this really the WORST article? This reminds me of a VERY rich friend or an IMPRESSIVE new restaurant.

And this is the point I've made countless times. Give people reason to come here as opposed to Manhattan. Time and time again people here prove they are proud to just be a bunch of kisses to NYC and just let NYC get everything and back down at every idea that would bring people here.The whole point is to make THIS city a destination. Obviously a few night clubs, or whatever other forms of entertainment you can think of, won't bring people in droves but I really am tired of people just giving up with their only reasoning being "because NYC".

Thanks, but no thanks - I prefer not to give people a reason to come here. I like it just fine without tourists. Hell, I don't want a Trader Joe's or even high capacity restaurants that bring in people, usually by car, from other nabes or surrounding towns. I like the fact that we now have some nice restaurants, but couldn't care less about galleries and theatres. If God had wanted galleries, theatres, museums, etc. in JC she wouldn't have created Manhattan and the public transit to get there (this may be the work of the devil, but I'll leave that to the more theologically inclined).

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CdeCoincy wrote:
Maybe it's me, but if I were coming in from out of town for the Superbowl, and had a hotel room in Jersey City - the majority of which are near Newport or Exchange Place PATH stations, why would I spend my free time in Jersey City? Wouldn't I be heading into Manhattan? Isn't this article really condescending to visitors? Maybe we should have tee shirts printed up: I Was Five Minutes From One of the Greatest Cities in the World, But I Chose To Eat at the Food Court at Newport Mall.

OH, and how about toning down the subjects - is this really the WORST article? This reminds me of a VERY rich friend or an IMPRESSIVE new restaurant.

And this is the point I've made countless times. Give people reason to come here as opposed to Manhattan. Time and time again people here prove they are proud to just be a bunch of kisses to NYC and just let NYC get everything and back down at every idea that would bring people here.The whole point is to make THIS city a destination. Obviously a few night clubs, or whatever other forms of entertainment you can think of, won't bring people in droves but I really am tired of people just giving up with their only reasoning being "because NYC".

vindication15 wrote:
I want to defend user111 here. I don't think he hates white people. I think he hates rich people. This is evident given his posts about dtjc, what "rich" really means (if you need a definition of rich, you aren't rich), and his shielding of the dangers of Greenville and BL.

More importantly, I agree with CdeCoincy, people who stay in DTJC will most likely just be going to Manhattan.

We minus well be newark airport to them. Who's to blame? The current status of Greenville and BL is to be blame, to be honest. If we were not known to be a dangerous ghetto, then more people would take an interest.

I would take "biege" "bland" "cookie-cutter" to dangerous ghetto any day of the week and twice on sundays.

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CdeCoincy wrote:
Maybe it's me, but if I were coming in from out of town for the Superbowl, and had a hotel room in Jersey City - the majority of which are near Newport or Exchange Place PATH stations, why would I spend my free time in Jersey City? Wouldn't I be heading into Manhattan? Isn't this article really condescending to visitors? Maybe we should have tee shirts printed up: I Was Five Minutes From One of the Greatest Cities in the World, But I Chose To Eat at the Food Court at Newport Mall.

OH, and how about toning down the subjects - is this really the WORST article? This reminds me of a VERY rich friend or an IMPRESSIVE new restaurant.

And this is the point I've made countless times. Give people reason to come here as opposed to Manhattan. Time and time again people here prove they are proud to just be a bunch of kisses to NYC and just let NYC get everything and back down at every idea that would bring people here.The whole point is to make THIS city a destination. Obviously a few night clubs, or whatever other forms of entertainment you can think of, won't bring people in droves but I really am tired of people just giving up with their only reasoning being "because NYC".

Prismatic wrote:
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CdeCoincy wrote:
Maybe it's me, but if I were coming in from out of town for the Superbowl, and had a hotel room in Jersey City - the majority of which are near Newport or Exchange Place PATH stations, why would I spend my free time in Jersey City? Wouldn't I be heading into Manhattan? Isn't this article really condescending to visitors? Maybe we should have tee shirts printed up: I Was Five Minutes From One of the Greatest Cities in the World, But I Chose To Eat at the Food Court at Newport Mall.

OH, and how about toning down the subjects - is this really the WORST article? This reminds me of a VERY rich friend or an IMPRESSIVE new restaurant.

And this is the point I've made countless times. Give people reason to come here as opposed to Manhattan. Time and time again people here prove they are proud to just be a bunch of kisses to NYC and just let NYC get everything and back down at every idea that would bring people here.The whole point is to make THIS city a destination. Obviously a few night clubs, or whatever other forms of entertainment you can think of, won't bring people in droves but I really am tired of people just giving up with their only reasoning being "because NYC".

CdeCoincy wrote:
Maybe it's me, but if I were coming in from out of town for the Superbowl, and had a hotel room in Jersey City - the majority of which are near Newport or Exchange Place PATH stations, why would I spend my free time in Jersey City? Wouldn't I be heading into Manhattan? Isn't this article really condescending to visitors? Maybe we should have tee shirts printed up: I Was Five Minutes From One of the Greatest Cities in the World, But I Chose To Eat at the Food Court at Newport Mall.

OH, and how about toning down the subjects - is this really the WORST article? This reminds me of a VERY rich friend or an IMPRESSIVE new restaurant.

CdeCoincy wrote:
Maybe it's me, but if I were coming in from out of town for the Superbowl, and had a hotel room in Jersey City - the majority of which are near Newport or Exchange Place PATH stations, why would I spend my free time in Jersey City? Wouldn't I be heading into Manhattan? Isn't this article really condescending to visitors? Maybe we should have tee shirts printed up: I Was Five Minutes From One of the Greatest Cities in the World, But I Chose To Eat at the Food Court at Newport Mall.

OH, and how about toning down the subjects - is this really the WORST article? This reminds me of a VERY rich friend or an IMPRESSIVE new restaurant.

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Oh please, you do it on every thread. Don't play stupid here (I don't think you're playing). Enough already.

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user1111 wrote:
No I am not kidding, I never mentioned white, my keywords were Beige, and sterile. I love how you read.

Beige:
A person that is normal to the point of being bland. No style, works a 9-5 job, does not express their individuality. These people can be found in Starbucks, often wearing neutral color clothes, perhaps from the GAP, while sipping a latte and discussing last nights t.v. shows as if the characters were their friends. In group settings it can be difficult to tell them apart. Beige people often never stray from their path or pack. These people commonly experience more eccentric life through others.
Sterile:
Lacking imagination, creativity, or vitality.

Just to be clear what I mean, I have lived in white, Latino, black and Asians areas around the states and did not grow up in JC and never left unlike some... get a clue before you start spitting out I hate white people, damn idiot.

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jmiz wrote:
Since we're normally at one another's throats here, nothing can bond us together like an outsider sharing his two cents about a city and striking out on every single point he's trying to make.

It was a nice thought, but sadly does not seem to be realized in this thread.

Actually, this thread went pretty well, comparatively speaking.

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jmiz wrote:
Since we're normally at one another's throats here, nothing can bond us together like an outsider sharing his two cents about a city and striking out on every single point he's trying to make.

It was a nice thought, but sadly does not seem to be realized in this thread.

No. 1. Even with a GPS in your pocket, it's not too hard to get lost. Most streets in Jersey City have non-numerical names. Even in the Downtown, where some of the streets are numbered, commercial strip Newark Ave. runs diagonally. Because of the distinctive hilly topography of Jersey City, the roads rarely settle into an easy grid pattern anywhere.

Journal Square is one of the city's largest transit hubs, but walking there is a challenge. The station is located underground in what looks like a large concrete bunker, and the sidewalk on the street that fronts the station -- JFK Boulevard -- is narrow and uninviting. The area around the Grove stop is easier to navigate by foot, but if you really want an urban pedestrian experience comparable to those you might have in Manhattan, your best bet is Washington Street in Hoboken.

Walking the waterfront is not easy. Views of the Manhattan skyline from Jersey City are so stunning that you might be inclined to walk the length of the Hudson waterfront. Good luck. A path along the river usually exists, but it's frequently broken up by hotels, condominium developments, and piers.

tommyc_37 wrote:
I'll also chime in on walkability and overall pedestrian friendliness. Let's get one thing straight - in the grand scheme of things (nationally) Downtown Jersey City is extremely pedestrian friendly. Extremely.

But compared to some of our similar neighbors, like Hoboken and brownstone Brooklyn, Jersey City is challenged in some ways. There are some hideous stretches, right in the heart of our downtown, that make pedestrian activity VERY difficult. This, in my opinion is unacceptable. Notorious streets that receive an F for pedestrian friendliness? Marin Blvd - the entire thing. Columbus Drive - the entire thing, at least west of Warren Street. Grand Street west of Marin. Washington, between Grand and 2nd Street or so.

Also unacceptable - that developers are continuing to build structures that encourage the use of cars, and enable people to be reliant on cars. Not only does it do aesthetic damage to all of our eyes by putting massive parking structures that start on ground level, instead of retail spaces, therefore isolating the sidewalks and sucking all vibrancy from them ... but it does the greater damage of pandering to people who prefer to get in their car from the parking garage, and zip off into the sunset, versus attracting residents who don't have a car, don't necessarily want a car, and would prefer to be walking around their neighborhood interacting with people and being customers at local businesses.

THAT is how a city is supposed to be structured.

The Atlantic just published an article on Brussels, and how its mayor is a proponent of banning all vehicles in the city's core. That is forward thinking. Jersey City can do better than it has done.

jmiz wrote:
Since we're normally at one another's throats here, nothing can bond us together like an outsider sharing his two cents about a city and striking out on every single point he's trying to make.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Oh please, you do it on every thread. Don't play stupid here (I don't think you're playing). Enough already.

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user1111 wrote:
No I am not kidding, I never mentioned white, my keywords were Beige, and sterile. I love how you read.

user1111 wrote:
No I am not kidding, I never mentioned white, my keywords were Beige, and sterile. I love how you read.