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Looks like an excel file was posted by the assessment company:
http://www.asinj.com/revaluation/docs ... oposed%20Assessments.xlsx

It has over 13,000 properties listed so far... Any idea what the total number should be around once it is all said and done?


Sure is taking them a while to post Ogden Ave LOL. Unless I missed it.


This looks like the same spread sheet that was posted earlier.

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By: ARTHUR CHI'EN
POSTED: FEB 12 2018 09:53PM EST

VIDEO POSTED: FEB 12 2018 10:42PM EST

UPDATED: FEB 13 2018 08:10AM EST

NEW JERSEY (FOX5NY.COM) - Municipal officials in Jersey City, New Jersey, haven't taken a look at property values in 30 years. It means some have been paying more in taxes than they should and others have been paying less. And trying to fix the problem has created another mess.

Dolores Renner, a resident of 74 years, is so afraid for her future that she was speechless. She learned that her taxes



are doubling to more than $20,000 a year. She said she can't pay that much and now worries

watch video here

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Looks like an excel file was posted by the assessment company:
http://www.asinj.com/revaluation/docs ... oposed%20Assessments.xlsx

It has over 13,000 properties listed so far... Any idea what the total number should be around once it is all said and done?


Sure is taking them a while to post Ogden Ave LOL. Unless I missed it.

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Fox5 NY did a piece yesterday Feb 12th on the JC tax reval:

Property taxes skyrocket for some Jersey City residents

By: ARTHUR CHI'EN Posted: Feb 12 2018 09:53PM EST
Video Posted: Feb 12 2018 10:42PM EST Updated: Feb 12 2018 10:46PM EST

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/jersey-city-property-taxes


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Mayor Fulop is on Good Day NY Live now Tuesday Feb 13th 7:35 am talking about the JC reval.

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All the whining from Ward E and the properties are still under assessed based on recent sales in some cases.

(And just wait until the state shifts more of the education burden on Jersey City land owners since out Tax Rate is actually amongst the lowest in the state. It doesn't make sense that the suburbs are still subsidizing JC BOE when we literally have more million dollar condos than anyone else.)

Landlords and property owners outside of downtown are seeing big decreases in property taxes. It's about time. This should help spur investment and renovations with the new found cash flow.

To make things fair, we probably should do another reval in 5 years to account for the probable decrease in property values downtown due to the high annualized tax bill.

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Looks like an excel file was posted by the assessment company:
http://www.asinj.com/revaluation/docs ... oposed%20Assessments.xlsx

It has over 13,000 properties listed so far... Any idea what the total number should be around once it is all said and done?

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What's with Appraisal System's boundary between Harsimus Cove and the Village? Isn't the border Coles Street and not Monmouth Street?


These things are not official (at least maybe up till now?) and rather fluid. While there's been a legacy of 'Italian Village' for many years, "The Village" as an organized entity is rather new, and IIRC they originally claimed parts of HC & HP. Given the number of neighborhood names in the Heights and elsewhere that I had never heard before, I think much of this is spitballing. Ever heard anyone say they lived in "Waverly"?

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What's with Appraisal System's boundary between Harsimus Cove and the Village? Isn't the border Coles Street and not Monmouth Street?

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NJ roads are fine. They aren't pristine, they aren't perfect, but they are fine.


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You mean, the 5 miles on Route 22? Or Elizabeth Ave? Or McClellan? Or do you mean 2 miles on Route 78?


The sentence prior should have made that obvious.


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And yet, somehow that totally escaped my attention the last time I was there (about 6 weeks ago).


And yet it was as true this morning as when I wrote it yesterday... as I said, you must not get out often.

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I thought about this today as I was headed east on 78 I’m the express lanes, just before the airport. A cop was parked in the right lane, angled in a way to force everyone into the left. Just after him we’re seven (7!!) cars on the side of the road with blown out tires - the result of hitting a manhole sized hole probably ten to twelve inches deep.

Seriously?

You're trying to claim that one problem, on one highway, that obviously happened right before you got there, proves than an entire state's roads are crap? Yeah no.


Do you get out of town much?

Yep. Lots of hiking and cycling, all over northern and central NJ. I also drive a bit in NY State, as well as periodic trips outside NJ.


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If you did, you'd understand my experience was emblematic of a widespread problem. I drive 78 and 24 to and from Morristown three to five times a week....

I drive on the Turnpike, 280, 80 78, 287, as well as smaller roads. Almost all of my cycling is on back roads, sometimes county roads.

NJ roads are fine. They aren't pristine, they aren't perfect, but they are fine.


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You mean, the 5 miles on Route 22? Or Elizabeth Ave? Or McClellan? Or do you mean 2 miles on Route 78?


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24 around the Short Hills Mall has a series of holes you have to slalom around....

And yet, somehow that totally escaped my attention the last time I was there (about 6 weeks ago).

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Reason Foundation's 23rd Annual Highway Report:

https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... annual_highway_report.pdf

- Capital and Bridge Disbursements per State-Controlled Mile, 2015 - NJ is 50th at $919,040 (10* national average)
- Maintenance Disbursements per State-Controlled Mile - NJ is 50th at $208,736 (9* national average)
- Administrative Disbursements per State-Controlled Mile - NJ is 48th at $63,757 (6* national average)
- Percent Rural Interstate Mileage in Poor Condition - NJ is 31st at 1.8% (slightly better than national average)
- Percent Urban Interstate Mileage in Poor Condition - NJ is 47th at 9.79% (almost twice as high as national average)
- Percentage of Rural Other Principal Arterial Mileage in Poor Condition - NJ is 47th at 6.69% (5* the national average)
- Peak Hours Spent in Congestion per Auto Commuter (in hours) - NJ is 50th at 72.53 hours (2* national average)
- Percent of Bridges in Deficient Condition - NJ is 42nd at 32.17% (50% higher than national average)


On the plus side, NJ does have:

- Fatality Rate per 100 Million Vehicle-Miles - NJ is 4th at 0.75 (national average is 1.13)
- Percent of Rural Other Principal Arterials with Narrow Lanes - NJ is 1st at 0%

So, according to these numbers, NJ has the dubious position of spending far more than anywhere else, and having some of the worst condition roads. These are possibly related, as things deteriorate it costs more to maintain. Congestion will increase due to more construction. Everybody going snail's pace in the worst congestion in the nation means that fewer pedestrian collisions are resulting in deaths (being facetious).

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I thought about this today as I was headed east on 78 I’m the express lanes, just before the airport. A cop was parked in the right lane, angled in a way to force everyone into the left. Just after him we’re seven (7!!) cars on the side of the road with blown out tires - the result of hitting a manhole sized hole probably ten to twelve inches deep.

Seriously?

You're trying to claim that one problem, on one highway, that obviously happened right before you got there, proves than an entire state's roads are crap? Yeah no.


Do you get out of town much? If you did, you'd understand my experience was emblematic of a widespread problem. I drive 78 and 24 to and from Morristown three to five times a week; 78 is horrific - they fill the seams every couple of weeks and it lasts a few days. The stretch from the airport to about Hillside is unreal. 24 around the Short Hills Mall has a series of holes you have to slalom around. I got a chuckle today driving past those poor folks on the side of the road, thinking about how "fine" the roads are...

More to the point, what is with your smarmy condescension? You go from zero to asshole awfully fast.

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I thought about this today as I was headed east on 78 I’m the express lanes, just before the airport. A cop was parked in the right lane, angled in a way to force everyone into the left. Just after him we’re seven (7!!) cars on the side of the road with blown out tires - the result of hitting a manhole sized hole probably ten to twelve inches deep.

Seriously?

You're trying to claim that one problem, on one highway, that obviously happened right before you got there, proves than an entire state's roads are crap? Yeah no.

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I thought about this today as I was headed east on 78 I’m the express lanes, just before the airport. A cop was parked in the right lane, angled in a way to force everyone into the left. Just after him we’re seven (7!!) cars on the side of the road with blown out tires - the result of hitting a manhole sized hole probably ten to twelve inches deep.

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I believe this was already posted somewhere on this forum.

http://jerseycity.hosted.civiclive.co ... ily%20NBHD%20Analysis.pdf


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also, does any one have some chart, figures indicating overall overall under/over valuation for different sections of the city?


The city released neighborhood estimates late last year

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i wonder if landlords in the less affluent areas will be lowering rents on their tenants?

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You'll have to wait until all the figures are out.

Then, someone would have to map the addresses (or block numbers) to sections of the city.

The city or local media might already have that kind of database set up. If not, setting that up would be a bit... time-consuming.

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For my meeting about our sky high appraisal, I received an invaluable comps report. I am certain that this will help when I have my meeting next week. This report was provided for free. If anyone is interested, the email is tom.wgcrealty@gmail.com.

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The city released neighborhood estimates late last year

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i wonder if landlords in the less affluent areas will be lowering rents on their tenants?

also, does any one have some chart, figures indicating overall overall under/over valuation for different sections of the city?

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@Terrence: Rare for someone to own up. Kudos.


Agreed. We also need to not assume our understaffed local press has the time to know all, we need to help them understand if we can, even if we aren't ourselves activists.

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@Terrence: Rare for someone to own up. Kudos. I’ll be a loyal reader from now on.

@Bodipooh and Brewster: Well said, I’ve been getting all riled up on other threads on NextDoor trying to verbalize the injustice and downright absurdity of all this. Thank you for the elegant argument.


JCTexan, I have been in the NextDoor trenches with you. There is no getting through to those that refuse to listen. This reval was overdue not just because it is truly legally overdue, but mostly because of the tax unfairness that kept poor residents subsidizing richer ones.

And, agreed about Terrence. At least he has owned up about the matter and the lack of coverage it received. I wasn't even trying to chastise him, but rather point out why the JJ being misinformed or MIA on this matter was actually understandable seeing how most people were just as lost.

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@Terrence: Rare for someone to own up. Kudos. I’ll be a loyal reader from now on.

@Bodipooh and Brewster: Well said, I’ve been getting all riled up on other threads on NextDoor trying to verbalize the injustice and downright absurdity of all this. Thank you for the elegant argument.

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Learn more about Jersey City reval at upcoming meetings

Residents who want to learn more about Jersey City's revaluation, or sound off about their proposed new assessments, can visit a handful of neighborhood meetings in upcoming weeks.

Appraisal Systems, the company conducting the long-delayed reval, has started issuing waves of new assessments for properties citywide. So far residents Downtown, in and near Society Hill and in portions of Journal Square and the Heights have received new assessments.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _at_upcoming_meeting.html


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Terrence, While I do understand how difficult the news game is today with low budgets & staffing (FIL was a paper publisher & journalism school prof), the fact is the JJ was very late to this game.


You're right, we were and I was. I wasn't arguing that point.

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Terrence, While I do understand how difficult the news game is today with low budgets & staffing (FIL was a paper publisher & journalism school prof), the fact is the JJ was very late to this game. In March of 2015 we had a PM exchange where you professed complete ignorance of the fairness aspect and I sent you a long explanation.

The system failed from top to bottom. When the ratio fell below the legal line of 80% many years ago SOMEBODY should have been sounding the alarm, the State, County, Press. Somebody. There should have been a Mayoral Candidate running on a platform including tax fairness. There was not. Elected officials and community leaders of all the other wards should have been telling their residents to appeal their high taxes. They did not.

How did a race and class injustice like this go ignored for so long? Sadly, every leader who thought the issue could be avoided till they were out of office was right up until very recently.

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So, the JJ being misinformed or ignorant is just par for the course, apparently.


Good afternoon! We haven't actually published any interviews yet with people talking about their new assessments, so we don't have any stories with people expressing outrage about them. But we have written stories for years that reference JC's unequal taxation. It's come up in our coverage of the reval breach-of-contract trial, Jersey City Together's launch in 2016 where the mayor was put on the spot over how the delay has hurt property owners outside the Downtown, when the state came in and forced the reval, etc. The impact of the reval on neighborhoods where homeowners will see decreases will be a part of our reval coverage as those property owners get their new assessments.

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I'm sure Terrance and his editors at the JJ will parse all that data with a keen eye, and give us the real deal in meaningful context.


Oh, you mean the way they've been all over this since it was first delayed in 98, right? Less than 3 years ago he had not the slightest clue about this issue and it's fairness aspect.


Seemingly everyone facing an increase is purposefully ignoring the fairness aspect and crying either unfair taxation (my taxes are increasing and I am now financing the rest of JC!) or poverty (woe me, I am sitting on a multimillion dollar property and you expect me to pay my fair share?) or abuse through misinformation (I didnt know about this reval, and no one told me it would be this bad, ergo why should I have to pay?)

So, the JJ being misinformed or ignorant is just par for the course, apparently.

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Oh, you mean the way they've been all over this since it was first delayed in 98, right? Less than 3 years ago he had not the slightest clue about this issue and it's fairness aspect.

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I just took a look at the tax history for a few of these "biggest drop" properties, and it appears that some of them might be outliers, not apples-to-apples cases to demonstrate what's actually going on with the re-val.

For example, look at the top address on the list, 367 First St. This is a property that has undergone a lot of construction the last few years, you may recognize it:
Google Maps

Here's the recent tax history:
http://taxes.cityofjerseycity.com/ViewPay?accountNumber=656655

There's a lot going on there - I'm thinking the drop from $67k taxes to $44k taxes probably not related to the re-val.

I'm sure Terrance and his editors at the JJ will parse all that data with a keen eye, and give us the real deal in meaningful context.

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Last house on there. Facing Van Vorst, on market for $3mm with a $41k tax bill (previously $16k). Who on earth is going to pony up for such a place??

No one, apparently. They're asking way too much for it, which is why it's sat on the market for almost 5 months.

The city appraised it at $2.5m. Only 3 properties appraised so far were at or above $3m.

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