Officers plead not guilty in high-speed chase that ended in fiery crash

thatgirl wrote:
This whole incident was very sad. If the officers involved
did something wrong then let the authorities handle reviewing
and taking action.

I am concerned and disappointed with the trend of punishing the
police for enforcing the law. Specifically, if the police are pulling
over a vehicle or arresting a person, the person is required to
immediately stop and cooperate. NOT attack the officer/resist and
NOT speed up and run away. If there is further injury or damage
as a result of resisting arrest or resisting a stop, the blame should
lie with the perpetrator.

Seriously, do we want to tell police not to pursue criminals?
The person committed a crime but just let them go because we don't
want to hurt their feelings? I'm not for that.

Also the trend of hating on law enforcement or other first responders
because of the job they have or the outfit they wear bothers me, that is
just blatant discrimination. In general, first responders are heroes who
are not properly respected or appreciated. The media tends to be biased
against them most of the time and that is a very dangerous precendent.
They are the ones sacrificing their family time and working long hours keeping
our community safe and they should be well considered.

As with any group not every person in the group will be perfect and if there is an
individual case of wrongdoing, that person should be punished and not the
entire group.

tern wrote:
Is Tonnelle Avenue really considered The Heights?

Robin.

greenville wrote:
Retard, you only get to see a clip that shows one view of the situation and might not actually reflect what was going on. At my previous job, I had to train on using force to subdue a suspect. And we were specifically warned about how perspective (like a grainy clip) could be used against you even though you followed proper procedures.
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iGreg wrote:
So kicking unarmed BURNING accident victims in the face is the swell politically correct thing to do, right greenville ?

#asswipe



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greenville wrote:
Wait for the facts to really come out before jumping to conclussions idiots. Because of the circumstances of the event we have to verify things.

IGreg, you're a prick who thinks he knows it all but is just as retarted as the rest of the political ideology hacks. You jump to conclussions just as fast as the equally retarded liberals you as rag on. Retards like you are the idiots who think electing morons from a different party is the solution to everything, even though reality always never seems to match your dreams.

iGreg wrote:
So kicking unarmed BURNING accident victims in the face is the swell politically correct thing to do, right greenville ?

#asswipe



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greenville wrote:
Wait for the facts to really come out before jumping to conclussions idiots. Because of the circumstances of the event we have to verify things.

IGreg, you're a prick who thinks he knows it all but is just as retarted as the rest of the political ideology hacks. You jump to conclussions just as fast as the equally retarded liberals you as rag on. Retards like you are the idiots who think electing morons from a different party is the solution to everything, even though reality always never seems to match your dreams.

JerseyCityNj wrote:
Series of bad decisions led to fiery crash, Jersey City mayor says

Updated on June 8, 2017 at 4:33 PM
Posted on June 8, 2017 at 2:04 PM

BY TERRENCE T. MCDONALD
tmcdonald@jjournal.com
The Jersey Journal

JERSEY CITY -- About two dozen new recruits joined the Jersey City police force today as the department faces intense criticism over a video that shows cops kicking a man prosecutors call an innocent bystander to a police pursuit on Sunday night.

Mayor Steve Fulop, who yesterday stunned even those close to him by announcing he would seek to fire and arrest the officers seen in the video, told reporters today the cops' actions were the culmination of a series of bad decisions. He described the video as "outrageous."

Police "had a six-mile chase throughout Jersey City -- there's protocols on that," Fulop said. "They fired their weapons from their car at another moving vehicle. There are issues with that. There are issues with how they continued the chase after additional information (was released) ... it's one after the other."

This is the first time anyone has said officers fired from inside a car. The county prosecutor has said only that cops fired "multiple shots" at the vehicle they were pursuing.

The mayor spoke today at a hastily organized press conference moments before the 25 recruits were sworn in. He faced reporters on the second floor of City Hall, in front of a desk once used by Frank Hague.

The video at the center of the controversy shows the aftermath of a fiery crash that ended the police chase, which began late Sunday night in Greenville and ended with the crash near the North Bergen border. Authorities say the man seen in the video was not 48-year-old Leo Pinkston, the driver of the car police were pursuing, but an innocent man whose car was struck when Pinskton crashed into a utility pole.

The crash has pitted the administration against its police force, with cops saying they see the officers in the video attempting to extinguish the fire that had engulfed the innocent man. The local police officers union has made similar comments, and is blasting Fulop for saying yesterday that he wants cops criminally charged.

"Mayor Fulop speaks about protocols, but forgets that there are protocols in place to investigate incidents such as this one," Carmine Disbrow, president of the Jersey City Police Officers Benevolent Association, said in a statement. "We stand by our assertion that all matters related to Sunday's events should be thoroughly reviewed, but it is grossly inappropriate for Fulop to cast judgment without knowing all of the facts."

Councilman Rich Boggiano, a retired police detective, echoed the union's thoughts.

"No one -- but no one -- should ever make a statement until they know the facts ... remember Maryland," he said, referring to Baltimore's 2015 decision to prosecute six officers over the death of Freddie Gray (after three acquittals, all the charges against those officers were dropped.)

Fulop dismissed claims that the officers were helping the victim.

"A reasonable person that looks at that video would say that those do not look like helping hands," Fulop said.

The incident is the latest black eye for the Jersey City police force. Last week a now-suspended police lieutenant, Ray Mahan, made his first court appearance on charges he caused a car collision in March while speeding through a red light in a police car he shouldn't have been driving. And the department has for years been the target of a federal investigation into off-duty work that city officials believe will result in multiple arrests.

In his remarks today, Fulop called these cases "isolated" incidents that do not indicate anything troubling about the department or its leadership.

"You could pick isolated cases throughout the year of officers acting irresponsibly," he said. "You're going to have an officer and city employees making mistakes and doing the wrong things ... the police department is making tremendous progress."

The city is seeking to hire its third police chief of Fulop's four-year tenure (the mayor demoted the first and the second retired last week).

Public Safety Director James Shea has been overseas on a vacation and is expected to return tomorrow. Fulop said he has been in contact with Shea multiple times daily about Sunday's incident and the two men decided jointly that the officers involved in kicking the innocent man should be identified, terminated and face criminal charges.

The officers seen in the video have yet to be identified, Fulop said today. There was a mixture of rookies and veterans on the scene Sunday night, the mayor said.

The victim remains hospitalized and is in stable condition, according to prosecutors. A spokesman for Hudson County Prosecutor Esther Suarez, who is handling the investigation of Sunday's incident, declined to comment on Fulop's comments today.

Council President Rolando Lavarro told The Jersey Journal today that the video is "atrocious."

"It's terrible," Lavarro said. "I don't want to jump to conclusions here but the video speaks for itself."

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... rash_in_jer.html#comments

iGreg wrote:
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I'm curious to what other people are seeing in this video. Did they kick the burn victim (my prayers to him - how awful!) or were they stamping out flames?

It looks like one or more of the hacks Fulop hired in his push to put under qualified minorities on the force will be getting the hammer.

#Get the memo

greenville wrote:
Wait for the facts to really come out before jumping to conclussions idiots. Because of the circumstances of the event we have to verify things.

IGreg, you're a prick who thinks he knows it all but is just as retarted as the rest of the political ideology hacks. You jump to conclussions just as fast as the equally retarded liberals you as rag on. Retards like you are the idiots who think electing morons from a different party is the solution to everything, even though reality always never seems to match your dreams.

jerseymom wrote:

I'm curious to what other people are seeing in this video. Did they kick the burn victim (my prayers to him - how awful!) or were they stamping out flames? As for the dragging, I'm not sure if they were afraid the car was going to further explode or what their motivations were. Not defending anyone, I just don't know if the cops were acting over the top or just following SOP when they thought the injured guy was their suspect?

jerseymom wrote:
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dmark526 wrote:
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... 2box_nj-homepage-featured




https://youtu.be/GvDUliQtt_4

I'm curious to what other people are seeing in this video. Did they kick the burn victim (my prayers to him - how awful!) or were they stamping out flames? As for the dragging, I'm not sure if they were afraid the car was going to further explode or what their motivations were. Not defending anyone, I just don't know if the cops were acting over the top or just following SOP when they thought the injured guy was their suspect?

I'm curious to what other people are seeing in this video. Did they kick the burn victim (my prayers to him - how awful!) or were they stamping out flames?

dmark526 wrote:
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... 2box_nj-homepage-featured




https://youtu.be/GvDUliQtt_4