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Monroe wrote:
'meltdown mode'? It took 49 dead gay Americans for Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama to even utter the words 'Islamic terrorist'.

Do you realize that if Obama declared a "war on terror" and further divided Americans and Muslims, it helps ISIS recruit right? In this way, Trump is playing right into ISIS' hands.

Monroe wrote:
'meltdown mode'? It took 49 dead gay Americans for Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama to even utter the words 'Islamic terrorist'.

TheBigGuy wrote:
Progressives have a difficult time distinguishing reality and fantasy. That is why Hillary still remains so popular... they actually think The Clinton Years were the 2nd coming of Camelot. Those yeas end with Bill claiming to be the 1st Black President when he left office. All considered the Clintons will be the first black family to leave the White House dead broke. For Obama to admit this late in the game that there is a Global Muslim Terror problem only serves to discredit his 8 Years of his failed foreign policy lead by Clinton/Kerry. Knowing what we know about Clinton/Wall Street/Clinton Foundation it just amazes me that people could support 4 more years of that type of behavior. Their "super delegate rule" corrupted the whole nomination against Sanders or anyone else.


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Mao wrote:
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Ha, the entire Left is premised on omnipresent victimhood- women, Muslims, gays, immigrants. Nice example of projection.

Mao

When was the last time a Christian was punched, let alone murdered, for being a Christian?

No projection. Just stating a fact based on what you've written.

I'm most definitely not a victim nor do I pretend to be one. Good luck in your travels. I know it is so very rough whenever you hear "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"...

hmm wasn't too hard to come up with a list...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx

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Mao wrote:
Pebble-

Ha, the entire Left is premised on omnipresent victimhood- women, Muslims, gays, immigrants. Nice example of projection.

Mao

When was the last time a Christian was punched, let alone murdered, for being a Christian?

No projection. Just stating a fact based on what you've written.

I'm most definitely not a victim nor do I pretend to be one. Good luck in your travels. I know it is so very rough whenever you hear "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"...

hmm wasn't too hard to come up with a list...

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx

It All Comes Back to Religion

It comes back to violence, not religion.

JCMan8 wrote:
It All Comes Back to Religion
Islamic jihadism and its hatred of homosexuality are at the core of what inspired the Orlando terrorist attack.

Jihadists are hailing the mass shooting at the Orlando gay nightclub Pulse as an Islamist victory. The Islamic State terror group has claimed credit for the atrocity, saying "a soldier of the Islamic State has carried out the attack." President Barack Obama said that the shooter, Omar Mateen, was "filled with hatred" and that the investigation "will go wherever the facts lead us." They will lead directly to radical Islamism.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/article ... pired-by-islamic-ideology

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Mao wrote:
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Ha, the entire Left is premised on omnipresent victimhood- women, Muslims, gays, immigrants. Nice example of projection.

Mao

When was the last time a Christian was punched, let alone murdered, for being a Christian?

No projection. Just stating a fact based on what you've written.

I'm most definitely not a victim nor do I pretend to be one. Good luck in your travels. I know it is so very rough whenever you hear "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"...

Mao wrote:
Dear Pebble:
Reality will never get in the way of your passionate world view. Christians are easily the most persecuted group in the world. Persecuted Christian minorities which have managed to survive since the Moslem conquest are being liquidated throughout the Middle East (e.g. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Iran). In sub-Saharan Africa, advancing Moslems are killing Christians. Recalcitrant Marxist regimes are harassing, arresting, and murdering Christians in China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba. Muslims in Pakistan, Indonesia, and the Philippines are killing Christians, burning down churches. In India, Hindu nationalists murder and harass Christians.
In the first world, the persecution is much less severe. Still orthodox Christianity is considered a violation of the current social compact. As Frank Bruni, NT Times columnist (aka Platonic Guardian wrote), ?church leaders must be made ?to take homosexuality off the sin list.? If the Church does not, then it will be subjected to increasing persecution. First, removal of tax exemption. Then, perhaps, fines and harassment of various sorts. It will unlikely that any martyrs will be made., It will just be smothered by a thousand cuts of bureaucratic animosity. I remember way back in the late 1980s when I was in law school and I was shocked how all the liberals, particularly the LGBTers, were arguing that either the First Amendment had to go or it would have to be contextualized by new case law that prevented traditional minded people from contributing to the Public Square.
It?s already nasty on a daily basis. Try articulating the prevailing Western view (even championed by Hypocrites hundreds of years before Christ) that abortion is murder or that marriage is between a man and a woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUTiEXdEsGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEvpYQzU5DM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJPuzKfmt-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI2_6mZi12k
Returning to the topic of this thread, a good argument can be made that Trump is a result of the crass and aggressive communication style of the Left. Trump is a fraud but maybe that is all our society can muster at this point.
Btw, Pebble, I don?t understand the quote on the bottom of your page?
Mao

Mao wrote:
Dear Pebble:
Reality will never get in the way of your passionate world view. Christians are easily the most persecuted group in the world. Persecuted Christian minorities which have managed to survive since the Moslem conquest are being liquidated throughout the Middle East (e.g. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Iran). In sub-Saharan Africa, advancing Moslems are killing Christians. Recalcitrant Marxist regimes are harassing, arresting, and murdering Christians in China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba. Muslims in Pakistan, Indonesia, and the Philippines are killing Christians, burning down churches. In India, Hindu nationalists murder and harass Christians.
In the first world, the persecution is much less severe. Still orthodox Christianity is considered a violation of the current social compact. As Frank Bruni, NT Times columnist (aka Platonic Guardian wrote), ?church leaders must be made ?to take homosexuality off the sin list.? If the Church does not, then it will be subjected to increasing persecution. First, removal of tax exemption. Then, perhaps, fines and harassment of various sorts. It will unlikely that any martyrs will be made., It will just be smothered by a thousand cuts of bureaucratic animosity. I remember way back in the late 1980s when I was in law school and I was shocked how all the liberals, particularly the LGBTers, were arguing that either the First Amendment had to go or it would have to be contextualized by new case law that prevented traditional minded people from contributing to the Public Square.
It?s already nasty on a daily basis. Try articulating the prevailing Western view (even championed by Hypocrites hundreds of years before Christ) that abortion is murder or that marriage is between a man and a woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUTiEXdEsGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEvpYQzU5DM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJPuzKfmt-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI2_6mZi12k
Returning to the topic of this thread, a good argument can be made that Trump is a result of the crass and aggressive communication style of the Left. Trump is a fraud but maybe that is all our society can muster at this point.
Btw, Pebble, I don?t understand the quote on the bottom of your page?
Mao

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The only place where the f word seems playful to me is in Ireland where the populace is ridiculously and pathetically addicted to say feck this and that.
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Mao

Mao wrote:
Pebble-

Ha, the entire Left is premised on omnipresent victimhood- women, Muslims, gays, immigrants. Nice example of projection.

Mao

Mao wrote:
Dear Brewster:
Thank you for your assaultative response. The only place where the f word seems playful to me is in Ireland where the populace is ridiculously and pathetically addicted to say feck this and that.
But you are absolutely right about free speech being a two way street. The omnivore can attack the tenents of veganism and the vegan can attack the tenents of the carnivore. But the vegan won?t stand for it.
My wife and I follow traditional Christian fasting rules- that is no meat on Friday (hers are actually much broader since she is an Eastern Christian, e.g veganism about half the year). If someone thinks we do this because of animal rights, or the environment, or because we?re Buddhists, we get fawned over. If we say we do it because of the crucifixion of Christ, the gamut of reactions runs from solicitous disdain (you pathetic souls), to resentment (who do you think you holy rollers are) to angry and aggressive attack (you Taliban Christian).
Btw, the reason the Church?s are empty is because the priests and bishops have lost the faith. The opposite explanation you posit. Who is going to organize hisr life around a parish that is nothing more than social work directed by an emasculated and narcissistic and usually barely closeted homosexual man who is living a most comfortable life? The Church is desperate for approval from the world and is betraying Christ. If the Vatican is destroyed by Isis, we can thank Pope Francis. If Catholics are excluded from public office for objecting to the charade of gay marriage, we can thank Pope Francis. What young couple would bother to baptize their child and sacrifice for their parish for a religion that mocks itself?
Your association, btw, of atheism with intellect is wrong. Despite the strongly anti Christian ideology in the schools, higher education leads to higher levels of religious practice- though does seem, paradoxically to weaken belief.
The science in opposition to Faith is a false dichotomy. Science was still born everywhere but in the Catholic West where the Catholic Universities and religious order nurtured it undergird by a robust Aristoleanism. Albert the Great, Copernicus, Mendel, Pascal etc were Catholics. Galileo, was really just a shrewd courtier of le beau monde who mistakenly lampooned his patroon as SImplicus and so ended up with a mild reproof and detention. http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-galileo-controversy
The stew of the Left which is a mishmash of isms of the last 500 years held together by hatred of Christianity will, I fear, make for a less beneficent society. More ominously, it makes us prey to things like Nazism, Marxism, and now Islam.
Mao

This is some of the terrorists face book postings....

Sen Johnson letter: "According to information obtained by my staff, five Facebook accounts were apparently associated with Omar Mateen. On June 12, 2016, Mateen apparently searched for ?Pulse Orlando? and ?Shooting.? Mateen also apparently posted ?America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state..I pledge my alliance to abu bakr al Baghdadi..may Allah accept me.? He then posted ?The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west? and ?You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic state vengeance.? In a final post, Mateen apparently wrote, ?In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the usa.?

Mao wrote:
It is wonderful to raise children in a City where people of all differing beliefs get along. However, I have three children who have been in private, public and charter schools. All of these environments are rabidly anti Christian and in an ignorant manner. Any divergence from the party line which is anti-Christian, anti Western, pro gay, pro promiscuity, pro abortion, pro euthanasia, is met with disdain and social opprobrium. Love of country is mocked as is its history and anyone willing to praise it and sacrifice for it. Tolerance is a one way street in this town of closing churches.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-wife-say ... do-shooter-105927115.html


WH still bound and determined to make Orlando a Gay on Gay killing to distract people from seeing BHO's leadership failures dealing with this global Islamic Jihad.

"Poor Muslim Ambiguously Gay Guy" tried so hard to be accepted in the homo-phobic Islamic world and seeking love in all the wrong places in the US. I wonder if he was a Batchi Batchi boy back in Afghanistan.

BTW. In this article, there are great tips on identifying Gay Guys.... stuff like "You might be Gay if you spend to much time in front of a mirror. Enjoy!

SOS wrote:
Colbert nails it on Trump's response -

https://youtu.be/Eh_GFkdxwbQ[/youtube

Islam, see my previous post, is in some ways more tolerant of male homosexuality in practice than Christianity or Judaism, having a strongly misogynistic cast and no concept of natural law.

"Matthew Gentili, a producer at the CNN affiliate, told the station he got a call about 2:45 a.m. Sunday from a man claiming to be the nightclub shooter.

' "Do you know about the shooting?' " the caller asked, according to Gentili.

"I'm the shooter. It's me. I am the shooter," the man said.

Gentili said the caller appeared to be speaking Arabic at one point and later told him, "I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State."

The caller would not say where he was.

"Is there anything else you want to say?" Gentili recalled asking. "He said no and hung up the phone.""

"Carter and others hiding in the bathroom heard Mateen dial 911 and say he's "doing this is because he wants America to stop bombing his country." (Mateen's parents are from Afghanistan. He was born in New York.) He also pledged his allegiance to ISIS.

TheBigGuy wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-wife-say ... do-shooter-105927115.html


WH still bound and determined to make Orlando a Gay on Gay killing to distract people from seeing BHO's leadership failures dealing with this global Islamic Jihad.

"Poor Muslim Ambiguously Gay Guy" tried so hard to be accepted in the homo-phobic Islamic world and seeking love in all the wrong places in the US. I wonder if he was a Batchi Batchi boy back in Afghanistan.

BTW. In this article, there are great tips on identifying Gay Guys.... stuff like "You might be Gay if you spend to much time in front of a mirror. Enjoy!

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Dear MDM:

Home schooling and the catacombs might be one solution. Talking honestly and reasonably and in a civil matter to preserve the public square so that private values can be cultivated is my tactic now. But its probably a losing battle. Two vignettes: a junior boy, academically talented and heading to an Ivy who is also an athlete, posts on his Facebook, a down with gay marriage message. As a result, the all the girls in the junior class band together to denounce the "hater" and to shun him. So much for dialogue! Vignette number two: a Muslim hajiib wearing girl who is a senior is accepted into a Ivy League school with a full scholarship for next year. One of her teachers says to her: "Don't you love this country?" The girl stares at the teacher and says: "No, I despise this country."

Mao

Sounds like everyone is exercising their free speech... Not such a terrible thing...

Though one is inflicting their belief on others...