devilsadvocate wrote:
Not really worried about that at all, and if my children ask stupid liberal questions like that then I'll be deeply depressed (not because I supported the wrong position - far from it, but rather than I did a poor job at raising intelligent, pragmatic people). As for Ben Affleck, I have to lol @ a Hollywood liberal asking a question and then suppressing the answer when it doesn't go the way he likes.

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Monroe wrote:
Four dozen House Democrats broke ranks, despite heavy lobbying from the White House, to vote for stopping the Syrian refugees. A great rebuke to Obama's reckless policy.

The vetting process takes about 2 years, what makes the policy reckless?

Are you arguing that everyone fleeing Syria is a terrorist?

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Well.. this is disturbing...

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Rumor and innuendo spread on right wing blog sites. I'm sorry but I take this with a salt mine.

How about the FBI director stating before Congress that the FBI cannot perform real background checks on the Syrians?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HZ4A7YGKl4

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I'm not only selfish (though I note that only the insane don't look out for their own interests) - I care about those already living in my community as well. I care about them significantly more than I care about people from a totally different society, many members of which hate everything this society is about. Yes, that includes the "innocent children" who grow up into the teens running from the west to join ISIS. By the way, many of us have innocent children as well. How do you look your children in the eyes and ponder that you vote to make their lives more dangerous for someone else's benefit? I choose not to do that.

By the way, I don't hate myself at all and sleep perfectly well at night.

The way you do that you picture them another 20 years older looking you in the eye and being able to judge your actions.

A lot of people grow up and, reflecting upon what their parents have done, feel shame (See Affleck, Ben). With situations like this, the most likely scenario is the child asking where your humanity went and why you were so afraid...

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Four dozen House Democrats broke ranks, despite heavy lobbying from the White House, to vote for stopping the Syrian refugees. A great rebuke to Obama's reckless policy.

The vetting process takes about 2 years, what makes the policy reckless?

Are you arguing that everyone fleeing Syria is a terrorist?

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mr. john kerry says it will take time for the us to defeat isis, but that it will be quicker than al-qaeda. it seems to me that isis defeated al-qaeda, and not the us. am i missing something?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/1 ... sis-idUSKCN0T833X20151119

Yes. I posted this article earlier: NY Times: The Attacks in Paris Reveal the Strategic Limits of ISIS

hero69 wrote:
mr. john kerry says it will take time for the us to defeat isis, but that it will be quicker than al-qaeda. it seems to me that isis defeated al-qaeda, and not the us. am i missing something?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/1 ... sis-idUSKCN0T833X20151119

JCorNYC wrote:


MDM, the vetting process in US is a joke.

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ISIS is 'absolutely' in America, leader in New York City's Syrian community says

A leader of the Syrian community in New York City believes ISIS sleeper cells are already in America, waiting for orders to carry out an attack.

Arafat 'Ralph' Succar told the New York Post on Wednesday that terrorists have 'absolutely' sneaked into America posing as civil war refugees since fake identifications papers are easily obtained in his birth country.

'I believe the terrorists from Syria have been coming into the United States, not only in the past few years, but way before that,' Succar said.'I think they?re already at work.'
The 57 year old moved to the United States when he was 10 and is now a community council leader in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, where there is a deep concentration of Syrian immigrants.
He says that the government in Syria is so corrupt that getting official identification papers bearing a fake name is as easy as paying a bribe.

'You can go to the Syrian government today and say to them, "I need a piece of paper that says I?m Tony Caterpillar." And they give it to you.

'These are not forged documents. These are written out by a government employee who needs money, whose family has no food,' Succar said.

Succar's frightening theory comes amid a new video from ISIS, threatening an attack on New York City.

"I believe the terrorists from Syria have been coming into the United States, not only in the past few years, but way before that."



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic ... yrian-community-says.html

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MDM wrote:
Well.. this is disturbing...

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Rumor and innuendo spread on right wing blog sites. I'm sorry but I take this with a salt mine.

MDM wrote:
Well.. this is disturbing...

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/11/2 ... -islamic-terrorist-groups


As Kerry Picket reported at the Daily Caller, Obama is having domestic law enforcement officers "trained to focus on the behavior" of refugees coming from terrorism hot spots rather than "their political, ideological or religious background."

"The 2012 FBI directive to remove religious and political motivations from investigations and screening came at a time when the Obama administration was busy purging anything they believed might reflect poorly on Muslims, regardless of how it effected our national security,? national security consultant David Reaboi told The Daily Caller.

Reaboi explained, ?Since then ? and now, presumably, in screening refugees, investigators are trained not to ask about all the key identifiers that would allow them to spot Islamic terrorists or other Islamists who want to do harm to America. Because ISIS, al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood understand themselves in precisely those ways, they?re prevented from asking anything meaningful beyond, ?are you a terrorist?'?

??Are you a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? What school of Islamic law do you follow? Where do you go to mosque? Do you believe someone who insults Islam deserves to be killed? Would you like to make America an Islamic country?? All of these questions ? the most important ones ? are off-limits,? Reaboi said.

Monroe wrote:
Pebble, Obama wants to admit 10,000 refugees next year-with a two year vetting process? Obamamath!

Monroe wrote:
Pebble, Obama wants to admit 10,000 refugees next year-with a two year vetting process? Obamamath!

devilsadvocate wrote:
I'm not only selfish (though I note that only the insane don't look out for their own interests) - I care about those already living in my community as well. I care about them significantly more than I care about people from a totally different society, many members of which hate everything this society is about. Yes, that includes the "innocent children" who grow up into the teens running from the west to join ISIS. By the way, many of us have innocent children as well. How do you look your children in the eyes and ponder that you vote to make their lives more dangerous for someone else's benefit? I choose not to do that.

By the way, I don't hate myself at all and sleep perfectly well at night.

Monroe wrote:
Four dozen House Democrats broke ranks, despite heavy lobbying from the White House, to vote for stopping the Syrian refugees. A great rebuke to Obama's reckless policy.

hero69 wrote:
mr. john kerry says it will take time for the us to defeat isis, but that it will be quicker than al-qaeda. it seems to me that isis defeated al-qaeda, and not the us. am i missing something?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/1 ... sis-idUSKCN0T833X20151119

Monroe wrote:
And now, in Mali, more Islamic terrorists have taken 170 hostages at a Radisson hotel-shouting Allahu Akbar, and releasing some hostages who were able to recite quotes from the Koran.

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I don't have children but

For some reason I strongly suspected your reply would start like this. If you had children, you might understand why there are more important things in life than "not being a racist."

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if I did I wouldn't be using them as an excuse to act like a xenophobic racist. The example you're setting for them is probably more dangerous for the community than a refugee moving into your neighborhood.

Yeah, when you gain some maturity you might realize that the worst thing in life aren't stupid labels. I don't care if I come off as "racist" in protecting my family and country. People like you resulted in scenes like this in Europe: http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/ ... harlie-hebdo-protests.jpg

If "racists like me" stop that from happening here then I can live with the label. By the way, racists in the house just passed a law ending the Syrian refugee program by a fairly large margin, with numerous democrats breaking ranks and joining with the Republicans. I consider myself in good company.

Finally, I'll note that you assume much when you describe me as "xenophobic" (such as that I and my family are even from this country). Even "racist" isn't actually a reasonable description, since I'm open to the concept of accepting Syrian Christian refugees. But whatever, if living with the label "xenophobic racist" is the price of stopping dangerous idiocy then fine, I don't really give a sh!t.

You are aware people can choose not to reproduce and still be adults with valid opinions right? Your opinion doesn't hold any more weight just because you spit out a kid. You'll do anything to protect your family? What the hell do you think these refugee families are doing when they flee their own country because they're afraid of being killed? Pull your head out of your own ass.

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Oh i see what you did there, making a veiled allusion that im some how sympathetic to ISIS. Nice smear.

I just find it really strange that you got upset enough when someone expressed an interest in defending this country, you were motivated to post something to try put them down. I don't see any reason to be upset at that even if you are for the refugees against islamophobia,


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I wasn't questioning that he wouldn't defend his country.....just when would he? How would he? Will they wait for him to get to the scene before they start their attack?

Of course, you would try to ask those kinds of questions because you know that even if someone had answers to them, it would be ridiculous for them for them spell them out on the internet.

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I hear lots of talk an frothing from the mouth of all the yahoos on this forum but no action.

And what about you? what are you doing? If anyone is frothing at the mouth, it appears to be you.

Asif wrote:
Oh i see what you did there, making a veiled allusion that im some how sympathetic to ISIS. Nice smear.

I wasn't questioning that he wouldn't defend his country.....just when would he? How would he? Will they wait for him to get to the scene before they start their attack?

I hear lots of talk an frothing from the mouth of all the yahoos on this forum but no action.

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I am assuming then you've booked your ticket to Syria to fight ISIS. Good luck brave sir.


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Shocking to me was hearing Chris Matthews questioned that there are 4 million Syrian refugees, yet the US could only get 4 to volunteer to be trained to fight ISIS. Would only 1 in a million Americans stand up to defend our country? This is the type of people we want to come here??

Uh I was born here and still have no interest in defending this country. It's not a draft. Just because you decide to immigrate here doesn't mean you're obligated to join the military.

I was not born here and do have interest in defending this country.

Fuck you.

No, I'll defend this country here. I am all for concealed carry (and outing ISIS sympathizers).

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I am assuming then you've booked your ticket to Syria to fight ISIS. Good luck brave sir.


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I was not born here and do have interest in defending this country.

Fuck you.

Asif,
He said he had an interest in defending this country, what does that have to do with going to Syria? I too wasn't born in this country would strongly want to do want to whatever I could to defend it. The fact that that you see it fit to try and belittle someone who expresses that says volumes about where your true loyalties lie.

Asif wrote:

I am assuming then you've booked your ticket to Syria to fight ISIS. Good luck brave sir.


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Monroe wrote:
Shocking to me was hearing Chris Matthews questioned that there are 4 million Syrian refugees, yet the US could only get 4 to volunteer to be trained to fight ISIS. Would only 1 in a million Americans stand up to defend our country? This is the type of people we want to come here??

Uh I was born here and still have no interest in defending this country. It's not a draft. Just because you decide to immigrate here doesn't mean you're obligated to join the military.

I was not born here and do have interest in defending this country.

Fuck you.