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i believe near 200,000 people were killed by algeria's military government in trying to put down an islamicist government that was freely elected by algerians...food for thought!

And I heard that millions were killed when France and UK declared war on Germany, against the fascist government that was freely elected by germans. What's your point?

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i believe near 200,000 people were killed by algeria's military government in trying to put down an islamicist government that was freely elected by algerians...food for thought!

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according to the new york times, many isis leaders are leaving iraq and syria, and moving to libya to bring "enlightenment" to the masses there


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/wor ... news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


Libya, Iraq, Syria - regimes that were overthrown with help from the US and now they are all much worse off than before. Not to mention, Islamist terrorist groups have gained more relative power.

Then we bomb these countries, which creates more people who hate us and want to return the favor. Rinse, wash, repeat.

When will we learn? Not yet, I guess.

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wow why is the us just now deciding to strike isis oil convoys? why is turkey exporting oil for isis?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11 ... an-krg-crude-and-israel-c



Turkey is doing it for the $$$ and to hurt Assad. Some NATO member, eh?

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according to the new york times, many isis leaders are leaving iraq and syria, and moving to libya to bring "enlightenment" to the masses there


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/wor ... news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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wow why is the us just now deciding to strike isis oil convoys? why is turkey exporting oil for isis?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11 ... an-krg-crude-and-israel-c


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Atsushi has strong opinions about the US taking in refugees, I'm curious if he thinks the same about his country of origin doing the same.

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Canada to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees by end of February:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/95a36a ... le-25000-refugees-tuesday


And now they won't. How many is Japan taking in?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/ ... r-paris-attacks-to-allay/


Again, what's the point of comparing us to Japan?


Why are you curious about that?

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Atsushi has strong opinions about the US taking in refugees, I'm curious if he thinks the same about his country of origin doing the same.

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Canada to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees by end of February:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/95a36a ... le-25000-refugees-tuesday


And now they won't. How many is Japan taking in?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/ ... r-paris-attacks-to-allay/


Again, what's the point of comparing us to Japan?

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Canada to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees by end of February:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/95a36a ... le-25000-refugees-tuesday


And now they won't. How many is Japan taking in?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/ ... r-paris-attacks-to-allay/


Again, what's the point of comparing us to Japan?

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If you look at this video based on moderate Muslims, perhaps countries are backtracking on taking in more refugees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APQVkJcZMKI

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Canada to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees by end of February:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/95a36a ... le-25000-refugees-tuesday


And now they won't. How many is Japan taking in?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/ ... r-paris-attacks-to-allay/

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Conveniently leaving out the triple Waltham murder where the victims had their throats slashed to near decapitation (typical Muslim terror technique) and assuming your best premise for their political refugee status, the murderous brothers were radicalized in a Boston mosque whose radical leadership had affiliation to a Houston mosque. That mosque produced a member who went to work and cutoff the head of a 58 year old woman coworker. Of course Obama DOJ described these as "lone wolf" attacks. Workplace violence. The Boston killer family refused to assimilate and they had a vetted paper trail. The perfect foils for radical Muslim clerics to spread their global hate and anti western violence.



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Once again you have no idea what you are talking about... they came to the country, over stayed tourist visa and claimed refugee status because they were Chechen. Of course they had no job skills so went on welfare while Mom proceeded to become a very bad shoplifter, because she was caught a few times and had warrants. Of course the brothers were dealing drugs which got them involved as suspects with a triple murder in Waltham. Disillusioned with the lack of more free social services and the criminal justice they just naturally became Muslim terrorists because the payoff of 70 virgins was in their future. Let's talk about their college Chechen buddies now being deported for obstruction of justice. Mom continues to claim they were framed... an all Chechen American family.
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This President and his administration can not even get on the same page about this so called vetting process... is this the same process used to vet millions of illegals already here? Where will these Syrians wait for vetting.. in a camp somewhere in Europe? The Boston Bombers family were also vetted and when they got here, they started to collect free money which they used to buy "crockpots" (Obama reference). BTW the Russians warned us about this sleazy group. There is nothing wrong with protecting American citizens in our own country.

Wow, that?s a lot of cowardice and innuendo there... For one, the Boston Bombers were two brothers. It was basically one guy getting radicalized and then recruiting his brother. That is hardly what I would call a ?group.?

Secondly, the brothers weren?t radicalized prior to coming to the US. The rest of this family is just fine and are, given their comments after the bombing, not in favor of what they did.

You kind of mucked up the quote function, so I fixed it.

However... None of what you said disputed what I wrote.

Shoplifting isn?t a positive trait (neither is welfare, but I won?t pretend to know the circumstances that brought them to it) but let?s not pretend they came to this country with the specific mission to bomb anyone, let alone the Boston Marathon. That?s the simple fact.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev became radicalized the same way Dylann Roof became radicalized. There is just about no difference between the two. The result is where things change because people now argue that every Muslim wants to strap a bomb to them while nobody is claiming that white people are out buying guns in droves to shoot up churches.

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.


Yes, but it wouldn't be crazy to point at them and say "hey, maybe they have a point with their conservative immigration policies" given the similarities between these two countries. It wouldn't be equivalent to say, comparing the immigration regimes of North Korea and the US, which truly wouldn't make any sense.


I really don't see the comparison between the US and Japan, outside of them both having powerful economies. Culturally, they are quite different. The US has a long history of immigration and Japan doesn't. The US is also quite individualistic while the Japanese are quite collectivist.


All Western countries have their differences. If you compare the US to any EU country you'll also find huge differences. That said, when considering national policy it isn't illogical to consider the experiences of other countries. We've seen Europe adopt fairly open borders to disastrous consequences. We've seen Japan do the opposite to great results.


Japan is not a Western country. Not in geography or culture.

Regarding your last two sentences, I understand your point but that wasn't what I was arguing. I was essentially disputing "If Japan does it, so should we". There's a lot of things Japan does that we don't and vice versa. We should only follow their lead if it makes sense for us, not because we're similar culturally, because we aren't.

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.


Yes, but it wouldn't be crazy to point at them and say "hey, maybe they have a point with their conservative immigration policies" given the similarities between these two countries. It wouldn't be equivalent to say, comparing the immigration regimes of North Korea and the US, which truly wouldn't make any sense.


I really don't see the comparison between the US and Japan, outside of them both having powerful economies. Culturally, they are quite different. The US has a long history of immigration and Japan doesn't. The US is also quite individualistic while the Japanese are quite collectivist.


All Western countries have their differences. If you compare the US to any EU country you'll also find huge differences. That said, when considering national policy it isn't illogical to consider the experiences of other countries. We've seen Europe adopt fairly open borders to disastrous consequences. We've seen Japan do the opposite to great results.

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Obama: The Statue of Liberty Lays Out Some Pretty Clear Guidelines on the Whole Refugees Thing:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slates ... yrian_refugees_video.html

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.


Yes, but it wouldn't be crazy to point at them and say "hey, maybe they have a point with their conservative immigration policies" given the similarities between these two countries. It wouldn't be equivalent to say, comparing the immigration regimes of North Korea and the US, which truly wouldn't make any sense.


I really don't see the comparison between the US and Japan, outside of them both having powerful economies. Culturally, they are quite different. The US has a long history of immigration and Japan doesn't. The US is also quite individualistic while the Japanese are quite collectivist.

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Atsushi - is your strategy just to continually spam this thread with stories, many of which add nothing to the conversation, in the hopes of drowning out those you disagree with?

Also, I'm also curious as to your analysis of Japan's stance on the refugees.


Was watching CNN and a muslim woman, I think she was an activist for the Muslim Community, even said why can't Islamic States like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar etc.... take the Syrian Refugees. They are closer, they can shelter them until Syria gets settled and go back to their country to REBUILT. Why must they need to travel thousands of miles only to feel lost in a Christian country etc. She made lots of good points.

I'll look for the video.


It obviously makes sense. The West should also feel obliged to donate money to offset their costs, particularly since it was our prodding of this "Arab Spring" nonsense and support of the Syrian rebels that produced this crisis. That is the easy, sensible solution that doesn't fit anyone's political agenda.

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USA TODAY GOP Power Rankings: Carson slides, Trump soars
http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/1 ... -trump-rubio-cruz-carson/

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Republicans are still in ?denial mode? over Donald Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinion ... 0a97_story.html?tid=sm_tw

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Sweden: Rape Clinic for Men, Publicly Funded "Virginity Tests"
One Month of Islam and Multiculturalism in Sweden: October 2015
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/694 ... -multiculturalism-october

Related: Strained Sweden tightens asylum rules further
http://news.yahoo.com/strained-sweden ... es-further-165938501.html

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Canada to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees by end of February:

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

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The two nations present themselves differently to the world. Japan doesn't run around claiming to be a beacon of freedom. It doesn't claim to be the "greatest nation on earth."


Right, so America presents itself to the world in a stupid fashion, and people from around the world have been noting for decades that America - a country with massive drug punishments, generally illegal prostitution, that supports repressive governments such as Saudi Arabia, that imposes an exit tax on its citizens as well as worldwide taxation, is anything but a "beacon of freedom." It isn't ridiculous to point out that the US approach doesn't make any sense whatsoever and that Japan's approach is actually correct. Bonus points for noting that Japan doesn't have a fraction of the social strife that the US or the EU have, much of which is the direct result of massive immigration.

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.


Yes, but it wouldn't be crazy to point at them and say "hey, maybe they have a point with their conservative immigration policies" given the similarities between these two countries. It wouldn't be equivalent to say, comparing the immigration regimes of North Korea and the US, which truly wouldn't make any sense.

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

An addendum:

The two nations present themselves differently to the world. Japan doesn't run around claiming to be a beacon of freedom. It doesn't claim to be the "greatest nation on earth."
pebble - you are so correct.

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Why would we compare the US to Japan? Doesn't make sense.


Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

An addendum:

The two nations present themselves differently to the world. Japan doesn't run around claiming to be a beacon of freedom. It doesn't claim to be the "greatest nation on earth."

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Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.


So what? Their immigration policies couldn't be more different. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

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Why wouldn't we? Both are first world democracies facing many similar issues.

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Once again you have no idea what you are talking about... they came to the country, over stayed tourist visa and claimed refugee status because they were Chechen. Of course they had no job skills so went on welfare while Mom proceeded to become a very bad shoplifter, because she was caught a few times and had warrants. Of course the brothers were dealing drugs which got them involved as suspects with a triple murder in Waltham. Disillusioned with the lack of more free social services and the criminal justice they just naturally became Muslim terrorists because the payoff of 70 virgins was in their future. Let's talk about their college Chechen buddies now being deported for obstruction of justice. Mom continues to claim they were framed... an all Chechen American family.
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This President and his administration can not even get on the same page about this so called vetting process... is this the same process used to vet millions of illegals already here? Where will these Syrians wait for vetting.. in a camp somewhere in Europe? The Boston Bombers family were also vetted and when they got here, they started to collect free money which they used to buy "crockpots" (Obama reference). BTW the Russians warned us about this sleazy group. There is nothing wrong with protecting American citizens in our own country.

Wow, that?s a lot of cowardice and innuendo there... For one, the Boston Bombers were two brothers. It was basically one guy getting radicalized and then recruiting his brother. That is hardly what I would call a ?group.?

Secondly, the brothers weren?t radicalized prior to coming to the US. The rest of this family is just fine and are, given their comments after the bombing, not in favor of what they did.

You kind of mucked up the quote function, so I fixed it.

However... None of what you said disputed what I wrote.

Shoplifting isn?t a positive trait (neither is welfare, but I won?t pretend to know the circumstances that brought them to it) but let?s not pretend they came to this country with the specific mission to bomb anyone, let alone the Boston Marathon. That?s the simple fact.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev became radicalized the same way Dylann Roof became radicalized. There is just about no difference between the two. The result is where things change because people now argue that every Muslim wants to strap a bomb to them while nobody is claiming that white people are out buying guns in droves to shoot up churches.

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Where the candidates stand on Syrian refugees, in one chart:

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/24/9783088/candidates-syrian-refugees

Posted on: 2015/11/24 14:25
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