AlexC wrote:
It would be nice if Shoprite offers online shopping and free (or reduced cost) delivery, much like Fresh Direct. I think they can compete.

AlexC wrote:
It would be nice if Shoprite offers online shopping and free (or reduced cost) delivery, much like Fresh Direct. I think they can compete.

AlexC wrote:
It would be nice if Shoprite offers online shopping and free (or reduced cost) delivery, much like Fresh Direct. I think they can compete.

JGJDNYCJC wrote:
Those accustomed to driving to stores downtown will end up heading outward to costco et al to do large batch shopping. Once you have a car, doesn't really matter if you're in DT or edgewater.

corybraiterman wrote:

If the developers manage to keep it around despite making changes, then I've got no problems with it whatsoever. If they attempt to run it out of town, that's where the problems come in.

T-Bird wrote:

1. So, it sounds as though - given all of the traffic from Avalon Cove and nearby condos and their grocery suitcase express - there is no need for parking?

2. A&P emerged from bankruptcy more than three years ago.

3. There will be a light rail station at Jersey and 18th within five years.

4. The Target plaza will be gone around the time the light rail opens. It was never meant to be permanent. Once development takes hold and spreads eastward from the Cast Iron Lofts area, the landowner will knock down Target and redevelop.

T-Bird wrote:
If 60,000 sf Shoprite closed tomorrow, within two weeks a grocer with experience operating in dense urban environements would pop up and do quite well in a 30,000 to 40,000 sf space.

corybraiterman wrote:

Shoprite gets a ton of business from the people who live in Avalon Cove and the nearby condos. I see people with suitcases constantly coming to and from those buildings as well as families holding a couple bags each.

Last I heard, A&P was in bankruptcy, so afloat is a relative and potentially brief term when it comes to them. They get some people from the condos that happen to be near to that section of town, as well as the nearby projects, but due to no light rail stop and dealing with tunnel traffic their client base is a lot smaller.

If the owners of that section of property +the tenants: Target, Modells, Staples, Best Buy, A&P, etc. started lobbying the fk (for the people who aren't getting the subtleties of what I'm saying, in NJ, this translates as bribes) out of NJTransit for a light rail stop in between Hoboken and Newport, they'd get a lot more people come their way.

corybraiterman wrote:

No, you're a dunce for the reason I stated. Well you might be for other reasons, but the only reason I am specifying is the one I already said. Not because you dislike the place, but because you think some great replacement will come out of nowhere and somehow match the positives while having none of the negatives when also facing added hardships and costs.

You're a dunce for believing in things that are mythical and do not happen when dealing in context of a business. Not whether or not you like or dislike the establishment.

Also it's sunday at 2PM. I'm headed to Shoprite in half an hour. come-at-me-bro.jpg etc

T-Bird wrote:
Snobbery? Maybe. I am one of the Whole Foods people - I am in Maplewood/Millburn several times a week and do every bit of my shopping at the WF in Vauxhall/Union/Millburn/Springfield (whatever town that little corner is where all those towns plus Maplewood come together.)

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Yes, it's a lot more expensive to shop at WF - but that is how I prioritize my spending. I don't go out and drop a hundred dollars a week in bars

brewster wrote:
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tern wrote:
There is a whiff of snobbery in this Shoprite hating.

Prices are good, quality is decent, and it is clearly what the neighborhood needs and wants as it is packed all the time.

Robin.

I think a valid question is of how much of the clientele is from outside of Downtown. Clearly a lot. This is not to say "we don't want their kind", but just wondering if the market wouldn't be just as successful in a less dense area of JC. It can't be just that it has a higher portion of affluent patrons that makes it better than the Pathmarks.

Another thing I wonder is who keeps A&P afloat? It doesn't seem to get love from anybody.

tern wrote:
There is a whiff of snobbery in this Shoprite hating.

Prices are good, quality is decent, and it is clearly what the neighborhood needs and wants as it is packed all the time.

Robin.

T-Bird wrote:
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corybraiterman wrote:

You are a dunce.
You think some magical fairy land market that matches the quality and price of Shoprite will up and appear to take over this space when it faces the raised rents that a new tenant would deal with plus the burden of zero parking.

(keep in mind the CURRENT plan has parking on the 2nd + floor, thankfully)

Words cannot express how stupid you are being right now.

Because I don't share your opinion of Shoprite I am a dunce? Huh. That's what this seems to be boiling down to. I am indifferent to there being a Shoprite. It's not where I choose to shop (and I'd sooner spend a year in Guantanamo as a suspected al Qaeda member then go into Shoprite at 4pm on a Sunday) but obviously others like/tolerate it to the point that if flourishes. All I'm saying is why engineer an outcome to perpetuate the mistakes/inefficiencies/shortcomings of the past? Absolutely - let there be a Shoprite in the new development! A Shoprite on every corner! But Shoprite will need to recognize that the Jersey City of 2020 will look very little like the Jersey City of 1990 and it needs to adapt to the changes.

tern wrote:
There is a whiff of snobbery in this Shoprite hating.

Prices are good, quality is decent, and it is clearly what the neighborhood needs and wants as it is packed all the time.

Robin.

user1111 wrote:
wrong! if you own a home, not renting a flat downtown Jersey City with 3 roommates you need a car. I hit up home depot about 3 x a month. So please enough of the bullshit.

corybraiterman wrote:

You are a dunce.
You think some magical fairy land market that matches the quality and price of Shoprite will up and appear to take over this space when it faces the raised rents that a new tenant would deal with plus the burden of zero parking.

(keep in mind the CURRENT plan has parking on the 2nd + floor, thankfully)

Words cannot express how stupid you are being right now.

T-Bird wrote:

The next market would be one who understands how to operate in an urban environment. There are plenty of markets that succeed in densely populated areas that don't have football fields of parking.

And how big is this family that an adult can't carry home the food for a day or two? Sure - if you have a family of six and you want to shop a week or two at a time, that would be rough (although you could get one of those carts you see old ladies in Queens pushing home from the grocery.) But how many people with three or four kids are even moving into the newly built high rises?

I'm sure we could spend weeks arguing about the exceptions and trying to make sure we facilitate each and every possible person who could move in, but the reality is that the conveniences of urban living also come at a cost. One of those costs is that owning a car becomes a burden at times, or at least using it does. Since more and more people are moving back to the cities - and breaking free from the dependence on a car is a big reason for many - it seems silly to try to build for the future in a way that caters to the past. Should we put up hitching posts for your horses, too?

Sommerman wrote:

Maybe they will:

move elsewhere
change their lifestyle to accommodate reality
verify that Fresh Direct delivers to their zip code
empower the nanny or cleaning person to do grocery shopping

I'm sure others can add to the list.

T-Bird wrote:
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borisp wrote:

If you make life harder for an existing supermarket, how exactly do you plan to lure in a new one?

The next market would be one who understands how to operate in an urban environment. There are plenty of markets that succeed in densely populated areas that don't have football fields of parking.

And how big is this family that an adult can't carry home the food for a day or two? Sure - if you have a family of six and you want to shop a week or two at a time, that would be rough (although you could get one of those carts you see old ladies in Queens pushing home from the grocery.) But how many people with three or four kids are even moving into the newly built high rises?

I'm sure we could spend weeks arguing about the exceptions and trying to make sure we facilitate each and every possible person who could move in, but the reality is that the conveniences of urban living also come at a cost. One of those costs is that owning a car becomes a burden at times, or at least using it does. Since more and more people are moving back to the cities - and breaking free from the dependence on a car is a big reason for many - it seems silly to try to build for the future in a way that caters to the past. Should we put up hitching posts for your horses, too?