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Jersey City Up Front has an article posted today regarding details of the planned Whole Foods space:

http://www.jerseycityupfront.com/neig ... ullboy-expands-food-menu/

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Link to the original article on Jersey Digs:

http://jerseydigs.com/whole-foods-met ... owers-jersey-city-update/

I'm surprised no one has chimed in about the FIVE LEVELS of parking integrated into the building. That's a parking lot across from another (the one at 50 Columbus, which is usually mostly empty) and across the street diagonally from another parking lot (the one at Grove Pointe) that is usually somewhat empty, as well. I thought we were trying to move away from the idea of reliance on cars and towards more pedestrian friendly concepts.

In any case, I think it also speaks volumes that neither the Planning Board, nor Traffic Department, seem to think that traffic in the area is already a chaotic mess. WTF?

Normally I would agree with you, but this is a grocery store.

Do you intend to see folks walking across those major roadways with shopping bags in tow or pushing their carts to these other lots and then returning those same carts to the store?

Um, yes? It's a dense as hell city and this location is on top of a subway station. There is no need for parking, especially with other (empty) garages on the same block.

How much parking is allotted for the Trader Joe's in Brooklyn Heights? That's a neighborhood with similar density and similar % of car ownership to DTJC.

You need to escape your bubble and realize that most people need cars, especially when going to the grocery store.

No chance in hell to get any kind of major grocer in DTJC without plenty of parking.

Please stop speaking for most people. This person has been grocery shopping for a family of three, sans car, for years now.

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Those monitors at Grove have been there for years.

i'm not talking about the tv monitors. it's a singular monitor that seems to be awaiting some type of signal input or something.

Yvonne wrote:
Yes, you are gullible, the same administration that wants to limit time on ordinances also want to remove those free press boxes. Granted there are too many at some locations and should be spaced apart but I and many others do read those articles. This administration is attacking the first amendment, plain and simple.

Yvonne wrote:
Making personal attacks on reducing public hearings is sad, Resident, it show you have nothing important to say except garbage. If a block is under a redevelopment zone which might have hundreds of pages, then too bad. You cannot ask important questions and get responses if you are limited. Amazingly, developers who go to caucus meeting are not asked to limit their time. While caucus meetings are set for 2 hours, they can last five or more hours due to many developers peddling their plans. Yet developers are not asked to limit their time to 5 minutes and the council do not mind adding additional time to caucus meetings for them.

Yvonne wrote:
A little background the Exchange SID is composed of developers, they want the land for a hotel and a turn around for the hotel for drop offs. But as I said before, there is no paper work or drawings for the public to see. You are just gullible to believe everything that the Fulop team says. At 3 different caucus meetings Councilman Yun asked for paper work, he never received it before the meeting. Check the caucus meeting videos, his words are there.

Yvonne wrote:
It was a land grab plain and simple, first Fulop insulted the Polish people when he went on the radio, and said the Polish government help Nazi Germany. You can google those comments. It doesn't matter Poland was invade in 1939 by Nazi Germany. People were upset, and it was not just Polish people speaking. Members of the NAACP also spoke in favor of leaving the statue. What bothered me was there was no information on the SID about this so-call Water Park they wanted to put there. This council and mayor ran on transparency, but everything is hush-hush.

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we are in P&K every other day. they're our go-to grocer. we will really feel their absence if they close.

Ugh, that would be super depressing. This is going to be one of those neighborhoods where regular stores that sell normal things that people need won't be able to exist. Food desert here we come!

La Conga is 1.5 blocks away from P&K.

Key Foods is 2.5 blocks away from P&K.

"Food desert?" Not so much.

This. So much drama... And, for the non stuck up crowd, there are two GIGANTIC food stores (ShopRite and BJs) not even 10 minutes away by foot. A downtowner crying about DTJC becoming a food desert is deliciously ridiculous.

Why care about any business for that matter? The reasons are that people get into their own routines and it's sad to see local business leave. When that happens neighborhoods lose some character. It's not always about finding their products elsewhere. Otherwise all stores could close and we could just shop at Walmart

Talk about strawman arguments...! Nobody is denying there is inherent value in small, "mom and pop" shops, or the concept of "shop local". But, it is utterly pathetic for someone (anyone!) to even try and claim that DTJC is at risk of becoming a food desert because P&K may close in the future. We are mocking THAT assertion.

For the record, a food desert is defined as living more than one mile from a supermarket in urban or suburban areas, and more than 10 miles from a supermarket in rural areas. If you draw a one mile radius circle with DTJC at its center, you will find a ton of supermarket and food stores within that circle, including 99 Ranch, ShopRite, and Key Foods, and multiple smaller shops where to pick up produce, fish, meat, etc.

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Of course. As we all do. If you don't care, then why comment? Or maybe you actually contribute to the discussion instead of offering a dismissive response when challenged.

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If I?m correct, it?s being moved to the corner of Washington and Montgomery. That?s two and a half blocks away.

All this brouhaha over two and a half blocks?

Oh, just for the record, I think it?s ugly. I used to live in Paulus Hook. I moved there in 2000. I thought it was ugly then, as I do now. It is not a welcoming image to the city.

And...my grandmother was the first child of her Polish born parents to be born on American soil. You can disagree with my opinion, but do not mistaken it for an anti Polish sentiment.

To be fair, the debate over aesthetics is subjective and everyone will feel what they feel.

What is not up for debate is Fulops handling of the situation. No community input or discussion, and outright bigotry on Twitter in the style of Trump. It's disgusting and he is disgusting.

I don?t care.

Then you should keep quiet.

No, I have an opinion, and the right to express it. If you don?t like it, too bad.

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If I?m correct, it?s being moved to the corner of Washington and Montgomery. That?s two and a half blocks away.

All this brouhaha over two and a half blocks?

Oh, just for the record, I think it?s ugly. I used to live in Paulus Hook. I moved there in 2000. I thought it was ugly then, as I do now. It is not a welcoming image to the city.

And...my grandmother was the first child of her Polish born parents to be born on American soil. You can disagree with my opinion, but do not mistaken it for an anti Polish sentiment.

To be fair, the debate over aesthetics is subjective and everyone will feel what they feel.

What is not up for debate is Fulops handling of the situation. No community input or discussion, and outright bigotry on Twitter in the style of Trump. It's disgusting and he is disgusting.

I don?t care.

Then you should keep quiet.

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If I?m correct, it?s being moved to the corner of Washington and Montgomery. That?s two and a half blocks away.

All this brouhaha over two and a half blocks?

Oh, just for the record, I think it?s ugly. I used to live in Paulus Hook. I moved there in 2000. I thought it was ugly then, as I do now. It is not a welcoming image to the city.

And...my grandmother was the first child of her Polish born parents to be born on American soil. You can disagree with my opinion, but do not mistaken it for an anti Polish sentiment.

To be fair, the debate over aesthetics is subjective and everyone will feel what they feel.

What is not up for debate is Fulops handling of the situation. No community input or discussion, and outright bigotry on Twitter in the style of Trump. It's disgusting and he is disgusting.

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Jersey Journal article
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... i.html#incart_2box_hudson

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30% of Ferris kids don't graduate. They should have been in the library.

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The issue here is, you have three decades where some residents were screwed. They were paying a tax rate double that of those living with much better means. The poor were subsidizing the wealthy. A reval one year later would mean that the poorer areas only receive one year relief to earn back the money they lost over those decades.

During the entire time since the 1998 reval anybody who believed their property taxes were ?unfair? had the right to appeal. If someone didn?t, that was plain crazy, and you can cry me a river about their ?inequitatable? property taxes.

As a result of the City?s willful negligence not conducting a reval, DT property values have been inflated by low assessments over the past 30 years. Now, post reval, there?s little doubt DT values will fall, especially with the cap on SALT deductions. Another revaluation will mitigate the damage caused.

And yes, it was damaging for all the other areas over the past 30 years to pay too much in taxes. Those folks should have, but apparently didn?t, appeal. That?s their issue to deal with.

The blame for all this mess belongs with Jersey City politicians and administration employees, who knew all along what was going on and did NOTHING for 30 years. They should be held accountable.

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Please compare to comparable values. Homes downtown are not worth the "average" in the state.

Baloney, the people I know paid for their homes in the 1970s and 1980s at costs less than $100,000 and should not have taxes based on $2 to $3 million. That is just a way to legally steal someone's property. Taxes should be based on someone's income, it is the wealthy who do projects and avoid full taxes with their tax abatements that get away with not paying their fair share.

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A person living in 1M is not rich by any means and 16K may be 10% of his annual salary so it hurts..

Translation: I want to buy too much house regardless of the financial implications.

I can think of many people who paid $40,000 to $70,000 for their homes and got $30,000 or more tax bill. In the meanwhile the city has been handing out tax abatements for newer developments at every chance they get. "Make JC Yours" was all about selling JC cheap with those tax abatements.

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When I was a kid in school, I had to study the 1960 census, the population then was 179 million. Being 335 or 330 million means there is more competition for housing. That is 156 or 160 million more people in my lifetime. In the 1970s, approximately 20% of Jersey City housing stock was vacant, nothing but empty buildings and empty land. More people means there is more competition for housing. Rents were extremely cheap, around $150 a month.

buddyboy wrote:
Fulop diversified the police department so he can pay minority
officers lower wages, give them less vacation and time off, no
awards for heroic actions, and made them pay more for health benefits.
Fulop is such a great Mayor. Maybe more police departments can learn
how to deprive minorities the working conditions enjoyed by the
privileged white officers.

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HeightsNative wrote:
That's simply not true. Rebecca is unequivicolly Steve's pick, but it's the only ward that may go to a run off, and Steve couldn't risk picking a losing candidate. Hence why his endorsement isn't coming until the runoff.

Prove that. Show us why you use the term "unequivocally". You must have some pretty solid evidence to use such an unequivocal term.

It's called a proxy

#moxie

HeightsNative wrote:
That's simply not true. Rebecca is unequivicolly Steve's pick, but it's the only ward that may go to a run off, and Steve couldn't risk picking a losing candidate. Hence why his endorsement isn't coming until the runoff.

rcjcinsider wrote:
It's sad that some people don't see anything WRONG with an in HOUSE attorney for a DEVELOPER run for City Council and of course Mayor NEXT. Rebecca as her ROLE as In house Council for dixon (which I GET WAS her JOB) orchestrated the PAC Money, orchestrated the Tax Cheat, and put her weight behind it. Unless somehow people think a bunch of frat boys from Australia know the inner dealings JC City politics.

It's cool to do that. Dixon is certainly not alone. But don't give us a SOB story about how you fought for the little guy when you run for City Council. It's the same as if Tommy Bertolli were to claim he represents the little home owners of JC and is against developers. Is anybody fucking home?

So, you're essentially saying you're ok with corruption, as long as the right thing was done after people were caught? But, that those who were caught shouldn't be reprimanded because they eventually did the right thing and didn't get the chance to follow through? Solid way of holding your public officials accountable. Councilman Fulop would strongly disagree with your assessment on this.

Ummmm...yeah, that's why we're asking to release the tape and any other information available, so we can make that determination with all available information. What part of this are you incapable of understanding? You're essentially saying "get over it because we don't know enough, but you shouldn't be allowed access to more information to make that determination." Circular logic much?

No doubt I'm new to this site. I noticed a poster here (neverleft), who frequently posts spin material/obsessive rants for Steve on nj.com (as Sound Machine), and was heavily posting misinformation here, so I got caught up in this thread. Make no mistake, I have no affiliation with any campaign or civic group, etc., and think we're screwed either way.

I also respect your view against political grandstanding, I truly do because it's annoying. It doesn't mean Steve shouldn't be transparent per his campaign pledge. If there's nothing bad on the tapes (which I actually believe), just release them and explain. Hold a press conference. That's the right thing to do.