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Re: * FEAR MONGERING LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE MEDIA *
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Don?t feed the troll.

You?ve got this thread accusing the media of creating panic, which suggests the corona virus isn?t real, or isn?t serious. Then the same person starts another thread asking what the city and county are doing to protect us? That?s contradictory.

And that?s the point. Just stir up as much shit as possible. Some people, unfortunately, don?t seem anything better to do with their lives.

Posted on: 2020/3/4 1:01
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Re: Jersey City Drops Lawsuit Against the Friends of the Loews Jersey City Landmark Theatre
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I guess since I asked the question, I should answer it.

According to an article, on the Jersey City Times website, the FOL?s lease ends at the end of the month. The city will again begin looking for a vendor to renovate, and then operate the theater. I assume the previous agreement with Live Nation is no longer valid.

Friends of Loew?s Contract Expires Though Group to Remain Involved.

Posted on: 2020/2/24 14:31
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Re: Jersey City Drops Lawsuit Against the Friends of the Loews Jersey City Landmark Theatre
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So...

If my memory serves me correctly, the lease the city has with Friends of Loews comes to an end sometime this February. So far, nothing in the press about what?s to happen. Anyone heard anything?

Anyone want to make any predictions?

Posted on: 2020/2/3 3:19
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Re: Whole Foods in JC?
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Jersey City Up Front has an article posted today regarding details of the planned Whole Foods space:

http://www.jerseycityupfront.com/neig ... ullboy-expands-food-menu/

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Link to the original article on Jersey Digs:

http://jerseydigs.com/whole-foods-met ... owers-jersey-city-update/


I'm surprised no one has chimed in about the FIVE LEVELS of parking integrated into the building. That's a parking lot across from another (the one at 50 Columbus, which is usually mostly empty) and across the street diagonally from another parking lot (the one at Grove Pointe) that is usually somewhat empty, as well. I thought we were trying to move away from the idea of reliance on cars and towards more pedestrian friendly concepts.

In any case, I think it also speaks volumes that neither the Planning Board, nor Traffic Department, seem to think that traffic in the area is already a chaotic mess. WTF?


Normally I would agree with you, but this is a grocery store.

Do you intend to see folks walking across those major roadways with shopping bags in tow or pushing their carts to these other lots and then returning those same carts to the store?


Um, yes? It's a dense as hell city and this location is on top of a subway station. There is no need for parking, especially with other (empty) garages on the same block.

How much parking is allotted for the Trader Joe's in Brooklyn Heights? That's a neighborhood with similar density and similar % of car ownership to DTJC.


You need to escape your bubble and realize that most people need cars, especially when going to the grocery store.

No chance in hell to get any kind of major grocer in DTJC without plenty of parking.


Please stop speaking for most people. This person has been grocery shopping for a family of three, sans car, for years now.

That...And...The building that will house Whole Foods, also includes a parking deck. I think they?ll be fine.

Posted on: 2019/5/3 20:14
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Re: Jersey City Drops Lawsuit Against the Friends of the Loews Jersey City Landmark Theatre
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Tic-tock, tic-tock...2020 will be here before you know it.

Posted on: 2019/3/12 2:28
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Re: PATH Trains Increase
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Those monitors at Grove have been there for years.
i'm not talking about the tv monitors. it's a singular monitor that seems to be awaiting some type of signal input or something.


You?re not crazy. There are new ones they recently installed. I saw them putting in wires a week or so ago. Today, I noticed the LED screens were mounted, and operational. It was just a bunch of colors, but they were on.

Posted on: 2018/10/10 19:48
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Re: JC Council Proposes to Limit Public Speaking at Public Hearings
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Yes, you are gullible, the same administration that wants to limit time on ordinances also want to remove those free press boxes. Granted there are too many at some locations and should be spaced apart but I and many others do read those articles. This administration is attacking the first amendment, plain and simple.


And you?re a crazy person that incessantly needs to hear her own voice. And why don?t you just admit that you hate Fulop and anything he does is wrong? It could save you a lot of energy constantly twisting yourself in knots trying to justify that hatered.

I?ve had my say. There will be no more back and forth on my part. Say what you want after this. Don?t expect a response, though.

Posted on: 2018/6/25 15:04
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Re: JC Council Proposes to Limit Public Speaking at Public Hearings
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Making personal attacks on reducing public hearings is sad, Resident, it show you have nothing important to say except garbage. If a block is under a redevelopment zone which might have hundreds of pages, then too bad. You cannot ask important questions and get responses if you are limited. Amazingly, developers who go to caucus meeting are not asked to limit their time. While caucus meetings are set for 2 hours, they can last five or more hours due to many developers peddling their plans. Yet developers are not asked to limit their time to 5 minutes and the council do not mind adding additional time to caucus meetings for them.


Lady, you called me gullible. That?s a judgment and a personal attack. So sit down and shut up. Your moral high horse is dead.


Posted on: 2018/6/25 14:10
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Re: JC Council Proposes to Limit Public Speaking at Public Hearings
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A little background the Exchange SID is composed of developers, they want the land for a hotel and a turn around for the hotel for drop offs. But as I said before, there is no paper work or drawings for the public to see. You are just gullible to believe everything that the Fulop team says. At 3 different caucus meetings Councilman Yun asked for paper work, he never received it before the meeting. Check the caucus meeting videos, his words are there.


I?ll take gullible over batshit any day of the week. By the way, aren?t you the one who claims you never get personal? Me thinks the lady has no idea who she really is.

Posted on: 2018/6/25 11:48
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Re: JC Council Proposes to Limit Public Speaking at Public Hearings
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It was a land grab plain and simple, first Fulop insulted the Polish people when he went on the radio, and said the Polish government help Nazi Germany. You can google those comments. It doesn't matter Poland was invade in 1939 by Nazi Germany. People were upset, and it was not just Polish people speaking. Members of the NAACP also spoke in favor of leaving the statue. What bothered me was there was no information on the SID about this so-call Water Park they wanted to put there. This council and mayor ran on transparency, but everything is hush-hush.


Are you kidding me? The city is taking public land, creating a public park, and the taxpayers aren?t footing the bill. A land grab suggests taking public land for private use. You?re grasping for straws here.

I thought they should have just moved the damn statue, because it?s ugly, and it has nothing to do with Jersey City, or even the United States. And I?m Polish.

I think they should be happy with the result they got. I wouldn?t have given it to them.


Posted on: 2018/6/25 0:19
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Re: Newark Avenue Pedestrian Plaza Expansion
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we are in P&K every other day. they're our go-to grocer. we will really feel their absence if they close.


Ugh, that would be super depressing. This is going to be one of those neighborhoods where regular stores that sell normal things that people need won't be able to exist. Food desert here we come!

La Conga is 1.5 blocks away from P&K.

Key Foods is 2.5 blocks away from P&K.

"Food desert?" Not so much.


This. So much drama... And, for the non stuck up crowd, there are two GIGANTIC food stores (ShopRite and BJs) not even 10 minutes away by foot. A downtowner crying about DTJC becoming a food desert is deliciously ridiculous.


Why care about any business for that matter? The reasons are that people get into their own routines and it's sad to see local business leave. When that happens neighborhoods lose some character. It's not always about finding their products elsewhere. Otherwise all stores could close and we could just shop at Walmart


Talk about strawman arguments...! Nobody is denying there is inherent value in small, "mom and pop" shops, or the concept of "shop local". But, it is utterly pathetic for someone (anyone!) to even try and claim that DTJC is at risk of becoming a food desert because P&K may close in the future. We are mocking THAT assertion.

For the record, a food desert is defined as living more than one mile from a supermarket in urban or suburban areas, and more than 10 miles from a supermarket in rural areas. If you draw a one mile radius circle with DTJC at its center, you will find a ton of supermarket and food stores within that circle, including 99 Ranch, ShopRite, and Key Foods, and multiple smaller shops where to pick up produce, fish, meat, etc.


And I have it based on a very reliable source, that Whole Foods is very close to finalizing a lease with Mack Cali for the first and second levels in the building where Five Guys is currently. I realize that?s not breaking news, but I?ve been told it?s more than just rumor.

Downtown is not hurting, when it comes to food options. Plus...it seems P&K was moving before the expansion even happened.

First. world. drama.

Posted on: 2018/5/30 21:25
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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Of course. As we all do. If you don't care, then why comment? Or maybe you actually contribute to the discussion instead of offering a dismissive response when challenged.

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If I?m correct, it?s being moved to the corner of Washington and Montgomery. That?s two and a half blocks away.

All this brouhaha over two and a half blocks?

Oh, just for the record, I think it?s ugly. I used to live in Paulus Hook. I moved there in 2000. I thought it was ugly then, as I do now. It is not a welcoming image to the city.

And...my grandmother was the first child of her Polish born parents to be born on American soil. You can disagree with my opinion, but do not mistaken it for an anti Polish sentiment.


To be fair, the debate over aesthetics is subjective and everyone will feel what they feel.

What is not up for debate is Fulops handling of the situation. No community input or discussion, and outright bigotry on Twitter in the style of Trump. It's disgusting and he is disgusting.


I don?t care.


Then you should keep quiet.


No, I have an opinion, and the right to express it. If you don?t like it, too bad.


I?m sorry, my bad. Maybe I wasn?t clear about what I don?t care about. I don?t care about the whole ?this is all about Fulop? argument.

I don?t care about everyone?s uproar about moving it. I don?t care about all the drama.

I think it?s ugly. I?ve always thought it should be moved. And considering that they are only moving it (not removing it), and it?s only moving two blocks, I think it?s all much ado about nothing.

If you wish to keep fanning the outrage machine, go for it. I don?t care about that either.

Posted on: 2018/5/9 2:31
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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HeightsNative wrote:
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If I?m correct, it?s being moved to the corner of Washington and Montgomery. That?s two and a half blocks away.

All this brouhaha over two and a half blocks?

Oh, just for the record, I think it?s ugly. I used to live in Paulus Hook. I moved there in 2000. I thought it was ugly then, as I do now. It is not a welcoming image to the city.

And...my grandmother was the first child of her Polish born parents to be born on American soil. You can disagree with my opinion, but do not mistaken it for an anti Polish sentiment.


To be fair, the debate over aesthetics is subjective and everyone will feel what they feel.

What is not up for debate is Fulops handling of the situation. No community input or discussion, and outright bigotry on Twitter in the style of Trump. It's disgusting and he is disgusting.


I don?t care.


Then you should keep quiet.


No, I have an opinion, and the right to express it. If you don?t like it, too bad.

Posted on: 2018/5/9 2:03
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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If I?m correct, it?s being moved to the corner of Washington and Montgomery. That?s two and a half blocks away.

All this brouhaha over two and a half blocks?

Oh, just for the record, I think it?s ugly. I used to live in Paulus Hook. I moved there in 2000. I thought it was ugly then, as I do now. It is not a welcoming image to the city.

And...my grandmother was the first child of her Polish born parents to be born on American soil. You can disagree with my opinion, but do not mistaken it for an anti Polish sentiment.


To be fair, the debate over aesthetics is subjective and everyone will feel what they feel.

What is not up for debate is Fulops handling of the situation. No community input or discussion, and outright bigotry on Twitter in the style of Trump. It's disgusting and he is disgusting.


I don?t care.

Posted on: 2018/5/9 1:26
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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If I?m correct, it?s being moved to the corner of Washington and Montgomery. That?s two and a half blocks away.

All this brouhaha over two and a half blocks?

Oh, just for the record, I think it?s ugly. I used to live in Paulus Hook. I moved there in 2000. I thought it was ugly then, as I do now. It is not a welcoming image to the city.

And...my grandmother was the first child of her Polish born parents to be born on American soil. You can disagree with my opinion, but do not mistaken it for an anti Polish sentiment.

Posted on: 2018/5/8 22:30
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Re: JC church 10 Commandments destroyed
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They must feel terrible. Vandalism sucks. I know I was pissed when someone defaced our brand new bluestone steps.

Posted on: 2018/3/30 21:30
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Re: March for Our Lives 2018 -- Live coverage from around NJ
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30% of Ferris kids don't graduate. They should have been in the library.


You?re better than this. Really, that's not snark or sarcasm. I know, in my heart of hearts, you are.

Posted on: 2018/3/24 21:57
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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The issue here is, you have three decades where some residents were screwed. They were paying a tax rate double that of those living with much better means. The poor were subsidizing the wealthy. A reval one year later would mean that the poorer areas only receive one year relief to earn back the money they lost over those decades.


During the entire time since the 1998 reval anybody who believed their property taxes were ?unfair? had the right to appeal. If someone didn?t, that was plain crazy, and you can cry me a river about their ?inequitatable? property taxes.

As a result of the City?s willful negligence not conducting a reval, DT property values have been inflated by low assessments over the past 30 years. Now, post reval, there?s little doubt DT values will fall, especially with the cap on SALT deductions. Another revaluation will mitigate the damage caused.

And yes, it was damaging for all the other areas over the past 30 years to pay too much in taxes. Those folks should have, but apparently didn?t, appeal. That?s their issue to deal with.

The blame for all this mess belongs with Jersey City politicians and administration employees, who knew all along what was going on and did NOTHING for 30 years. They should be held accountable.


We can blame all we want, but what?s fair is what?s fair. And you yourself said what needs to be said to anyone whose property value falls over the next year or so.

If you don?t recall, I bolded it for you. Also, just for clarity, the last reval was in 1988.

Posted on: 2018/3/6 22:36
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Re: Downtown schools new school at 25 Columbus
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https://jerseydigs.com/25-columbus-drive-tower-proposed/

https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-dev ... -columbus-drive-approved/

Doesn?t really say when it will be built, but it?s pretty good info anyway.

Update:

https://therealdeal.com/2018/02/22/mac ... dev-site-from-lm-for-53m/

It?s amazing what a 30 second Google search turns up.

Posted on: 2018/2/27 3:00
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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Please compare to comparable values. Homes downtown are not worth the "average" in the state.


Baloney, the people I know paid for their homes in the 1970s and 1980s at costs less than $100,000 and should not have taxes based on $2 to $3 million. That is just a way to legally steal someone's property. Taxes should be based on someone's income, it is the wealthy who do projects and avoid full taxes with their tax abatements that get away with not paying their fair share.


Why shouldn?t they?

Posted on: 2018/2/26 22:38
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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A person living in 1M is not rich by any means and 16K may be 10% of his annual salary so it hurts..


Translation: I want to buy too much house regardless of the financial implications.


I can think of many people who paid $40,000 to $70,000 for their homes and got $30,000 or more tax bill. In the meanwhile the city has been handing out tax abatements for newer developments at every chance they get. "Make JC Yours" was all about selling JC cheap with those tax abatements.


What don?t you understand about this? Value of property has nothing to do with what you paid to purchase it. You of all people know this. You sold property downtown. Did you sell for the same amount you paid for it?

We all know you didn?t. Property taxes are based on property value. If the value goes up, the taxes go up.

Yet, Jersey City has gone 30 years where the taxes weren?t levied according to real value. Now the chickens have come home to roost.

So sorry peoples? property values went up. They should have held their representatives? feet to the fire and made them do this on a timely basis. Then there wouldn?t be all this sticker shock.

But let?s be honest. They all wanted the rewards of raising property values, without the ramifications of them. I can?t get a whole lot of sympathy worked up for this.

Posted on: 2018/2/16 23:20
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Re: Article: Dense zoning is the solution to housing costs
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When I was a kid in school, I had to study the 1960 census, the population then was 179 million. Being 335 or 330 million means there is more competition for housing. That is 156 or 160 million more people in my lifetime. In the 1970s, approximately 20% of Jersey City housing stock was vacant, nothing but empty buildings and empty land. More people means there is more competition for housing. Rents were extremely cheap, around $150 a month.


Just to be clear, due to inflation, $150 in 1960 is equal to $1,257.78 in today?s dollars.

Posted on: 2018/2/12 2:27
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Re: Police Dept. adds to the force new faces.
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buddyboy wrote:
Fulop diversified the police department so he can pay minority
officers lower wages, give them less vacation and time off, no
awards for heroic actions, and made them pay more for health benefits.
Fulop is such a great Mayor. Maybe more police departments can learn
how to deprive minorities the working conditions enjoyed by the
privileged white officers.


Aren't the police unionized? If I'm correct that they are, their contract sets their starting salary. And the post above is absolute malarkey.

Posted on: 2017/12/5 0:08
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Re: Hyatt House at Exchange Place
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I remember when it occurred. I guess I didn't realize, at the time, that it was the big ceiling.

No matter the cause, still sad.

Posted on: 2017/12/3 16:20
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Re: Hyatt House at Exchange Place
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So I walked into the new Hyatt House, at 1 Exchange Place, today hoping that my suspicions wouldn't be proven true. Unfortunately, they were.

Let me explain.

I moved to Jersey City in the summer of 2000. At that time, I was living on Essex St, in Paulus Hook. In 2011, we bought a place in Harsimous Cove. But this was our second home buying experience, after having purchased our first place at a second location in Paulus Hook.

I was very active in the Paulus Hook neighborhood. I actually served the HPHA Board of Directors for a couple of years. I was most active in the areas of development and construction. I chose thes areas because I have always had a love of architecture, especially historical architecture.

During the time I lived in Paulus Hook, there was always a bank on the ground floor of 1 Exchange Place. I actually don't recall what bank it was, because it wasn't our bank. None the less, I would make it a point to go into that bank, on occasion, simply because of the beauty of the lobby.

What impressed me the most about it was both the height of the space, and the beautifully ornate plaster ceiling. Having had worked in hotels for many years, I always thought that the space would make a wonderful banquet hall (much like Ciprianni on 42nd St. in Manhattan), or an elaborate hotel lobby which was the likes of something like The Palmer House in Chicago. (Look it up, its stunning.)

So when it was announced that a hotel was coming to the location, I was psyched. I thought, "I can't wait to see how they utilize this beautiful, and historic, space. I imagined it becoming a go to destination for weddings, as who who wouldn't want to get married in such a grand location?

Then, as they were announcing the start of construction, I noticed in pictures, in places like The Jersey Journal, that they seemed to have really gutted the place. But you couldn't really tell where in the building the pictures were taken. So I held out hope that they certainly wouldn't have simply ripped all that history and craftsmanship out...would they?

From what I could see today, although I couldn't venture all that far in, they had removed it. It made me sad.

I'm not one of these people that think I have the right to dictate what people do with their property (within the bounds of the law). I know they were perfectly within their right to alter the interior as they saw fit. I just personally find it sad to see a piece of Jersey City's history gone forever.

They don't make these things anymore. They're expensive. They require maintenance. But they don't make them anymore. And now something that was rare, and irreplaceable, is gone.

I still think it would have been an asset to the hotel. But what do I know? I wasn't making the decisions...obviously.

Posted on: 2017/12/1 5:11
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Re: Symes and her machine forcing the City to Endorse Her
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That's simply not true. Rebecca is unequivicolly Steve's pick, but it's the only ward that may go to a run off, and Steve couldn't risk picking a losing candidate. Hence why his endorsement isn't coming until the runoff.


Prove that. Show us why you use the term "unequivocally". You must have some pretty solid evidence to use such an unequivocal term.


It's called a proxy

#moxie


Well that certainly closed the door on that. I asked for definitive proof, and you sure delivered...not.

Posted on: 2017/10/20 13:26
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Re: Symes and her machine forcing the City to Endorse Her
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HeightsNative wrote:
That's simply not true. Rebecca is unequivicolly Steve's pick, but it's the only ward that may go to a run off, and Steve couldn't risk picking a losing candidate. Hence why his endorsement isn't coming until the runoff.


Prove that. Show us why you use the term "unequivocally". You must have some pretty solid evidence to use such an unequivocal term.

Posted on: 2017/10/19 18:00
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Re: Dixon Leasing Cheating JC out of Taxes with the help of Rebecca Sysmes
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It's sad that some people don't see anything WRONG with an in HOUSE attorney for a DEVELOPER run for City Council and of course Mayor NEXT. Rebecca as her ROLE as In house Council for dixon (which I GET WAS her JOB) orchestrated the PAC Money, orchestrated the Tax Cheat, and put her weight behind it. Unless somehow people think a bunch of frat boys from Australia know the inner dealings JC City politics.

It's cool to do that. Dixon is certainly not alone. But don't give us a SOB story about how you fought for the little guy when you run for City Council. It's the same as if Tommy Bertolli were to claim he represents the little home owners of JC and is against developers. Is anybody fucking home?



Well it might be that there is nothing wrong with it. It's a democracy, so if she wants to run, she can. We, as voters, get to decide if we're ok with it or not, through our votes.

Everyone has different opinions and values when it comes to these things. Yours are yours, and everyone else's is his or hers. The outcome will indicate where people fall.

Personally, I can't stand that at election time, we suddenly get bombarded with a bunch of negative posts from people who obviously just signed up for this site. There's nothing wrong with that either. It's just I find it suspect, and annoying.

Posted on: 2017/10/18 19:52
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Re: Building Management Failed to Disclose Parking Restriction and Violated Ordinance 257-6
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It seems you have two optiosn, sue the landlord or don't sign a renewal and find another place. I don't know if the law quires landlords to disclose the parking ordinances, but maybe the threat of suing, or leaving could get you free parking, or a rent reduction to offset the cost of parking.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil. It's just that you have to be prepared to walk away.

It sucks that the city screwed up, but at least it was in your favor for five years.

Posted on: 2017/10/18 19:43
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Re: Top Fulop allies on tape trying to steer city bid, court depositions say
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So, you're essentially saying you're ok with corruption, as long as the right thing was done after people were caught? But, that those who were caught shouldn't be reprimanded because they eventually did the right thing and didn't get the chance to follow through? Solid way of holding your public officials accountable. Councilman Fulop would strongly disagree with your assessment on this.


I'm not saying the two people in the conversation weren't talking about something they shouldn't have been. Maybe they were up to no good. But no one is making hay about this situation as a way of getting them out of powerful positions. This is all aimed at the mayor. And the fact seems to be that overall, the administration did the right thing, without having to be shamed into doing it. Isn't that what we all want?

Corruption looks like a mayor, and his many of his allies and aids, showing up at a diner to be handed envelopes of cash. It's just that particular mayor was legally savvy enough to let everyone around him take the fall, while he walked away scott free. And now that mayor's general council wishes to be mayor.

Funny thing is, you all want to paint Fulop as a crook because two of his staffers appeared to have a conversation that didn't follow ethical standards, even though nothing was followed through with because more level heads in the administration put a stop to it. Yet we're all supposed to vote for a former high ranking staffer of a guy who took bribes, but did so in a way that he didn't personally pay a price.

The hipocrisy in all this is amazing.

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Ummmm...yeah, that's why we're asking to release the tape and any other information available, so we can make that determination with all available information. What part of this are you incapable of understanding? You're essentially saying "get over it because we don't know enough, but you shouldn't be allowed access to more information to make that determination." Circular logic much?


Say you overhear two of your children talking about plans they have to shoplift from the local market. Let's say they were stupid enough to video it (not so far fetched with kids in this day and age). You stop them from doing it. Maybe you don't throw a fit. Maybe you don't ground them. Maybe you just talk to them.

Should we consider your kids thieves? Are you a crook too? Should you be forced to make the tape public because you've prided yourself on being an upstanding citizen?

Even though your kids never followed through, because you did the right thing, shouldn't we label them, and you, as dishonest from here on out, based off your logic?

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No doubt I'm new to this site. I noticed a poster here (neverleft), who frequently posts spin material/obsessive rants for Steve on nj.com (as Sound Machine), and was heavily posting misinformation here, so I got caught up in this thread. Make no mistake, I have no affiliation with any campaign or civic group, etc., and think we're screwed either way.

I also respect your view against political grandstanding, I truly do because it's annoying. It doesn't mean Steve shouldn't be transparent per his campaign pledge. If there's nothing bad on the tapes (which I actually believe), just release them and explain. Hold a press conference. That's the right thing to do.


If this were truly a scandal, I'd be all in. Had the administration followed through on fixing a bid, or only blocked it because they got caught, then there would be smoke and fire. But I don't see it here. Maybe new info will come out and I will change my mind. But it's not going to be based off just what I "believe" is happening.

Asking for this tape to be released is nothing more than trying to get political dirt out there. Taken out of context, anything can look bad. And what's on the tape may very well be bad, but it's not an indictment of the mayor, because his administration seems to have done what it was supposed to do. The tape serves only to bury that fact.

Posted on: 2017/10/16 23:04
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