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Yvonne wrote:
So I guess we will continue to ignore the traffic jam that happens every day on Newark Avenue, even when the street is open. We will ignore the evidence because it doesn't suit our theory. We will ignore the constant traffic jam from Newark Avenue on Jersey Avenue down to the Medical Center and pretend that doesn't happen too. We will not request a traffic study because it might tell us things we don't want to hear. We will continue to live in ignorance because it suits our theory.

For this reason alone, change is necessary and the status quo is not an answer - A total review of the changing needs is being assessed and the pedestrian mall has merit, as the need to re-route the bottle neck traffic from the area.

So where do you put the traffic? Saying it needs to be re-routed does not answer the question. More development is slated for that area which means more people and more cars. Yes, in the year 2014, people do have cars.

Yvonne wrote:
You can live in NYC without a car, but where is the subway or bus service in JC?

By the way, I don't see any public official giving up their cars, are they taking public transit? I doubt it.

Yvonne wrote:
You are not giving answers but as usual making attacks.

Yvonne wrote:
You are not giving answers but as usual making attacks. People are not giving up their cars because you think they should. You cannot wish cars away.

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Yvonne wrote:
So I guess we will continue to ignore the traffic jam that happens every day on Newark Avenue, even when the street is open. We will ignore the evidence because it doesn't suit our theory. We will ignore the constant traffic jam from Newark Avenue on Jersey Avenue down to the Medical Center and pretend that doesn't happen too. We will not request a traffic study because it might tell us things we don't want to hear. We will continue to live in ignorance because it suits our theory.

For this reason alone, change is necessary and the status quo is not an answer - A total review of the changing needs is being assessed and the pedestrian mall has merit, as the need to re-route the bottle neck traffic from the area.

So where do you put the traffic? Saying it needs to be re-routed does not answer the question. More development is slated for that area which means more people and more cars. Yes, in the year 2014, people do have cars.

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Yvonne wrote:
So I guess we will continue to ignore the traffic jam that happens every day on Newark Avenue, even when the street is open. We will ignore the evidence because it doesn't suit our theory. We will ignore the constant traffic jam from Newark Avenue on Jersey Avenue down to the Medical Center and pretend that doesn't happen too. We will not request a traffic study because it might tell us things we don't want to hear. We will continue to live in ignorance because it suits our theory.

For this reason alone, change is necessary and the status quo is not an answer - A total review of the changing needs is being assessed and the pedestrian mall has merit, as the need to re-route the bottle neck traffic from the area.

Yvonne wrote:
So I guess we will continue to ignore the traffic jam that happens every day on Newark Avenue, even when the street is open. We will ignore the evidence because it doesn't suit our theory. We will ignore the constant traffic jam from Newark Avenue on Jersey Avenue down to the Medical Center and pretend that doesn't happen too. We will not request a traffic study because it might tell us things we don't want to hear. We will continue to live in ignorance because it suits our theory.

I_heart_JC wrote:
If #8 is true, then why do so many pedestrian-friendly initiatives get mothballed?
53 Things About Jersey City
(I'm looking at YOU, extra-wide and island-free Columbus Ave)

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If #8 is true, then why do so many pedestrian-friendly initiatives get mothballed?

53 Things About Jersey City

(I'm looking at YOU, extra-wide and island-free Columbus Ave)

That "article" was written by a real estate brokerage. I'd take everything it says with a massive pillar of salt.

I_heart_JC wrote:
If #8 is true, then why do so many pedestrian-friendly initiatives get mothballed?

53 Things About Jersey City

(I'm looking at YOU, extra-wide and island-free Columbus Ave)

JCishome wrote:

maybeMoving, I'm from Miami and love Lincoln Road, too, but it's a tourist draw in a tourism-based city. If Lincoln Road had to survive on the locals' business, it would be a ghost town.

moobycow wrote:
I normally get off at Newport, but yesterday I had to pick up some cat food at Fussy Friends. Unfortunately I left my phone at home yesterday or I would have taped the astounding lack of traffic on Newark Ave at 6:30pm. I actually walked the entire block without having a single car drive the street in either direction.

Lots of cars on Grove, some cars making the turn on to Erie. Not a single vehicle driving that stretch of Newark.

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I don't think I've ever seen a traffic jam on the stretch of Newark they're planning on closing down.

This. It's actually very little used. The fact is it's NOT considered a through street by any locals I know. If I'm going from HP to the post office, I don't make a left from Jersey on Newark, I make it on Columbus, because I know how clunky the lights for the zigzag at Grove are. No one makes a right from Grove onto Newark who isn't planning on trying to find a parking spot to shop on those blocks, otherwise they'd have made the right onto 2nd or Bay. The ONLY time I ever drive Newark to Grove is to pick someone up at the PATH, and I can easily take 1st to Grove to do it if Newark is closed. The traffic argument is complete bullshit. The merchant are just afraid of change, just like Yvonne.

Talk about Bullshit. it is all about you, isn't it.

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I don't think I've ever seen a traffic jam on the stretch of Newark they're planning on closing down.

This. It's actually very little used. The fact is it's NOT considered a through street by any locals I know. If I'm going from HP to the post office, I don't make a left from Jersey on Newark, I make it on Columbus, because I know how clunky the lights for the zigzag at Grove are. No one makes a right from Grove onto Newark who isn't planning on trying to find a parking spot to shop on those blocks, otherwise they'd have made the right onto 2nd or Bay. The ONLY time I ever drive Newark to Grove is to pick someone up at the PATH, and I can easily take 1st to Grove to do it if Newark is closed. The traffic argument is complete bullshit. The merchant are just afraid of change, just like Yvonne.

JCishome wrote:
I'm as anti-car as you can be, and I love the idea of pedestrian-friendly spaces. At the same time, I get that doctors' offices and Fussy Friends (a good store, btw) will have some disruptions to their business that should be minimized in creative ways. AND...has anyone thought about what all this open space will actually be used for? Is it going to have tables and chairs like the weirdness that's now Times Square? I mean, do I really want to sit in the middle of Newark Avenue at 4 pm on a Tuesday?

tommyc_37 wrote:
That's the thing. I don't entirely trust that Jersey City would do something tasteful with the space, to be honest. If done properly, it can be beautiful (the key is planting trees).

I am all for this happening, but it needs to be done creatively and thoughtfully.