hero69 wrote:
im shocked that someone thinks that 10-blocks is not walkable....i can understand this might be diificult for the elderly or handicapped but a block walk is nada imo

Seriously? 10 blocks is very walkable on a daily basis. That's about a 10 minute walk.

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
Grove Street is 10 blocks from the proposed project. That's not walkable on an every day basis.

Funny that people are criticizing the architechture. So true, how can we let this brick building interrupt the pleasant asthetics of the "Bayonne style" two families down Manila...

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Wishful_Thinking wrote:
Check out this link to the Lakewood, CO zoning - with some involvement from us citizens and political willpower, JC's zoning can incorporate some simple, clear design/aesthetic guidelines for better buildings: http://www.lakewood.org/Article7Multi ... dSiteDesignStandards.aspx

Lakewood is different from J.C. it is a community run by a Hasidic sect similar to that of Munsey, N.Y, and West Passaic, N.J., and Williamsburg, Brooklyn. There has been lots of controversy and conflict in Lakewood between the sect and the ever-shrinking Black community. I think J.C. will have to contain a more homogenous society to achieve what Lakewood has accomplished.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/10/nyr ... ewood.html?pagewanted=all

o73o2 wrote:
It is an unsightly building. Reminds me of a stalinist residential block where the builder ran out of money and had to improvise.

fraulein wrote:
At this same meeting, one of the deputy mayors said that the 10-year-abatement is competitive. In other words, if you look at some areas of Brooklyn and Long Island City, they are still offering 10-year abatements. His point was that in order to stay competitive with those areas that business/people are moving to, we have to continue to offer it. It'll plateau soon, I imagine, but I think right now they believe they still need to offer it.

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
Did anyone here actually read the link?

First off, it goes into detail about

1) the developer providing open space because the community wanted it- even though there literally another park a block and a half away

2) The development provides parking. And the mall also rents to HP residents to park. It's very unlikely it will add more street parking.

Second of all, I lived on Manila facing the garage. I had views of the JC skyline and the Freedom Tower, and I was on the third floor. No one is losing their view.

Third of all, did you not notice that Marin would have stores, not a garage? As someone who actually lived right there, and not like some other people that hate every new project, more places to get basic stuff are desperately needed.

It was only once the convenience store opened on 10th and Manila that there was any convenience store opened on a Sunday. Newport Pharmacy is barely open and neither is the convenience store on Erie and 9th. And the restaurant on 10th and Erie (now Vietnamese) and the 8th and Erie (Mexican and before that quasi-Middle Eastern) were constantly in flux. Which only made the mall/Newport harping by people on other side of town of more of a joke than it already was. No, it's not acceptable for us to have to walk all the way down Grove Street to get basic services.

Projects like this are NEEDED. Again- if you want to live in a bucolic suburb, this is NJ- go move there. This is a city. We should have tall buildings with people in them.

The remarks on the sewers and PATH are ridiculous. Not only does NJ specifically not subscribe to "timed growth" but the idea that the 2nd biggest city in the state with 250,000 people cannot handle 300 apartments is a joke.

For all the Brooklyn/Queens comparisons, please call me when their pols turn down development. Thankfully, there like here, the hipster, stroller pusher, force my middle America Ohio lifestyle except with organic food types are overruled by reality.

hero69 wrote:
come to think of it....the facade is ugly. can't jc require developers/architects tod esign better looking buildings...they see to be able to get more non-generic stuff in brooklyn! why is that!

Vigilante wrote:
Ever wonder why you see those JCMUA vacuum trucks around all the time? That's because the poop is not going anywhere. It's just sitting in the pipes under the streets.

K-Lo wrote:
What is not clear to me is whether anyone is looking beyond the immediate impact of these larger buildings. What does it cost to support thousands of additional human beings in firefighters, police, teachers. Does the city have this mapped out somewhere?

fraulein wrote:
Regarding parking, one interesting insight about Grove Pointe is that only like 50-60% (don't quote me) of the spots are taken. The idea came up to sell those "spare" spots to the community for their use until a new tenant comes in. Anyway, their point was that many of their residents don't have cars and certainly 2-per-unit is uncommon.

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sp2xs wrote:
As a HP resident, my first concern would be parking. Our household has 1 car and I do use it every day to go to and from work. I have had good luck finding a spot nearby but would hate to lose that along with this construction.

I don't think the building looks too bad at all. It's not exactly like Marin is stretched with historic brownstones anyway. If the bottom floor can actually become a lively commercial area, it would be an improvement on that site.

Marin, in general, is such an unsightly thoroughfare. I realize that it is important for cars to get through DTJC and to/from the Holland Tunnel, but a street like that should be more friendly to pedestrians above 2nd street. It essentially is a barrier to the waterfront, which is a shame.

Looks like the new residents will have great views of the beautiful Newport parking garage! Will any adjustments be made to the garage to help access to the mall, path, light rail, etc.?

I'm all for development on Marin, this looks better than what is there now.

Regarding parking, no need to stress. The Parking Authority does not issue any permits to residents of buildings with parking garages (high rise or low rise). These new residents will not be able to park on the street for more than 2 hours and same goes for any resident of any other tower or building downtown that offers private parking.

sp2xs wrote:
As a HP resident, my first concern would be parking. Our household has 1 car and I do use it every day to go to and from work. I have had good luck finding a spot nearby but would hate to lose that along with this construction.

I don't think the building looks too bad at all. It's not exactly like Marin is stretched with historic brownstones anyway. If the bottom floor can actually become a lively commercial area, it would be an improvement on that site.

Marin, in general, is such an unsightly thoroughfare. I realize that it is important for cars to get through DTJC and to/from the Holland Tunnel, but a street like that should be more friendly to pedestrians above 2nd street. It essentially is a barrier to the waterfront, which is a shame.

Looks like the new residents will have great views of the beautiful Newport parking garage! Will any adjustments be made to the garage to help access to the mall, path, light rail, etc.?