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mwa7368 wrote:
Not sure why people find it so difficult to follow the rules. If you don't want to be lawful then move to a cabin in the woods...

No, when we don?t want to obey laws or rules with which we disagree, we have the option of taking our chances and learning to recognize patterns of enforcement. For example, if you have enough well-behaved, adult Caucasian females in your group, you can often drink alcohol in places where it is technically prohibited.

mwa7368 wrote:
Not sure why people find it so difficult to follow the rules. If you don't want to be lawful then move to a cabin in the woods...

Piert1025 wrote:
A friend got stopped by JCPD for buying "loosies" (individual cigarettes) from a bodega....

What's next? JC & the Fulop team are apparently taking a page out of Bloomberg's book and stopping everybody for anything and everything! Wait until "stop and frisk" starts.....

Piert1025 wrote:
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nyrgravey9 wrote:
But Pier, the larger point is that "I know my dog" is not a valid excuse. I don't know your dog. The cop doesn't know your dog. And even most owners don't truly know their dogs (they think they do, but they really don't).

The point is that the law wasn't written just for those people whose dogs are uncontrollable and wild beasts.

There are places where dogs are allowed, and places where they are not. The law can't be written any clearer.

It's like the old joke "something can't be sort of wet", it's either wet or dry. Black and white. It's pretty straightforward.

I'm trying to be as cordial and straightforward as I can as it relates to the dog issue, but you guys make it difficult sometimes. It's up to you to introspect and come to the realizations that rest of us already have.

And I do understand. That's your whole entire point.

But to be honest, the cops scared the crap out of my GF and my dog (not literally) when he suddenly drove up onto the field. When my dog is unleashed, and yes, I'm guilty of unleashing him as well, I make it a point to only do it when

1. There are no other people or dogs around.
2. When he's in a controlled environment , in which I can control his movements.
3. Only after he has 'done his business' (that's what I meant when I said 'I know my dog')
4. When others (children, adults or other pets) come within proximity of the area, I immediately re-leash him.

As I said, I'm a responsible dog owner. I do understand your point 'that few make it bad on everyone'. It's true. But 'they' are not the people who get ridiculous fines, such as this one. The responible owners do!

The cop was a douche and wanted to give her a second summons for having our other dog tied to the pole. He claimed '2 dogs, 2 summonses'! I got the impression like, 'Yes. I can fulfill my quota for the day'!

I can also assure you that the dog in question was back on the leash before the cop even got out of the car!

I know several cops in my local precinct. As a matter of fact, they know me as 'the bulldog guy'... When I explained the situation to them, they explained that 'Fulop is trying to make JC like NYC and turn it into a police state. He's making the police issue tickets on a massive blitz citywide, for all sorts of offenses."

When I asked them about real crime, they explained that Fulop is all about swaying the statistics to make himself look good. The 'real crime' will always be there....

bradleybeachbrawl wrote:
Oh yeah the leash cannot be more than six feet long.

Piert1025 wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:


I was not the one that chose to ignore the ordinances that you and your GF did. I didn't get fined. And your GF must know that it's almost impossible to guarantee a dog won't relieve itself in an outside area. Even if you could, you couldn't stop other dogs from marking your dog's scent.

Oh and ideology isn't telepathy, however much you love, trust and respect your GF. You and your GFs cred is a little suspect when you chose to ignore the rules in the first place. What other rules do you choose to ignore? Curbing your dog? Picking up its poop?

If you are a dog owner, as you say, and your dog relieves himself at any given time, instead of on a set schedule, your dog is obviously not trained very well.

I have admitted fault, directly to you, for now the THIRD time.

Do you just have this insatiable need to feel superior? Or are you really that self-absorbed in your need to be correct?

I have explained, specifically to you, over and over again, that you are missing the point. Maybe you just have a problem retaining information.

Whatever it is, I implore you to stop posting here with your malicious attempt to be both sarcastic and cynical.

vegasjamone wrote:
Thanks, that's good to know. I've been over at the those fields with my dogs before. I'll be sure to opt for the dog park which is just right there next time.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
This thread has spiraled way out of control like many of these do.

I have to ask: what exactly are you trying to accomplish, Pier?

vegasjamone wrote:
Thanks, that's good to know. I've been over at the those fields with my dogs before. I'll be sure to opt for the dog park which is just right there next time.

vindication15 wrote:


True, I've never been to LP football field or the field you are talking about. I prefer to stay out of the ghetto. I'm in downtown so I enjoy the parks in dtjc and in newport.

Just a quick question, if she did not take her eyes off of him for a sec, was she also looking out for other people? Was she keeping one eye on him and one eye on other people? lol


At the end of the day, what is your point? That the cops have more important things to do to improve jc? I refuse to believe that cops can't walk and chew gum at the same time...

Cops should look the other way? Which laws should they enforce and which laws should they look the other way? Are you going to decide? Healy did a good job at that.

You want empathy? From who - random strangers on a forum? lol

Piert1025 wrote:
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vindication15 wrote:


So you are telling me she scanned the whole entire football field before taking the dog off leash AND kept scanning field the entire time to make sure no person was around and that the dog had no escape route whatsoever (cause if the dog is off leash, they could run away at any time). If she went to those two extremes then yeah, in this particular instance, you did not endanger anyone.

Is it unreasonable for me to assume here that this is what she did, if even that, - "Hey, don't see anyone in my peripheral vision, let's let my dog run free"......pays attention to other stuff....10 mins later...cops come and writes a ticket.

If she was scanning the field for people the entire time, she should have seen the cop coming....not seeing the cop suddenly come means she did not have a good idea of who was around and that is dangerous....not for you or the dog but for people who don't want to encounter a dog off leash.

*buzzer* WRONG! As usual, somebody is making assumptions without know what the hell they are talking about.

You have obviously no idea where the football field is in LP. You have obviously never been there. The field is right off of the cul-de-sac that runs around LP.... The cop pulled right off of the road and right onto the field, essentially blocking the one and only entrance.

She was running up and down the field with him. So she did not take her eyes off of him for a second, nor did he teleport to pee or poop anywhere...

In an enclosed field, with one entrance and nobody else one the field, who do you suppose would have encountered the dog?

PLEASE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE COMMENTING ON THIS POST!!!

Piert1025 wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:


I was not the one that chose to ignore the ordinances that you and your GF did. I didn't get fined. And your GF must know that it's almost impossible to guarantee a dog won't relieve itself in an outside area. Even if you could, you couldn't stop other dogs from marking your dog's scent.

Oh and ideology isn't telepathy, however much you love, trust and respect your GF. You and your GFs cred is a little suspect when you chose to ignore the rules in the first place. What other rules do you choose to ignore? Curbing your dog? Picking up its poop?

If you are a dog owner, as you say, and your dog relieves himself at any given time, instead of on a set schedule, your dog is obviously not trained very well.

I have admitted fault, directly to you, for now the THIRD time.

Do you just have this insatiable need to feel superior? Or are you really that self-absorbed in your need to be correct?

I have explained, specifically to you, over and over again, that you are missing the point. Maybe you just have a problem retaining information.

Whatever it is, I implore you to stop posting here with your malicious attempt to be both sarcastic and cynical.

vegasjamone wrote:
Piert1025 that sucks about the tickets. Was your girlfriend on that astroturf field or some other football field at LP?

dtjcview wrote:


I was not the one that chose to ignore the ordinances that you and your GF did. I didn't get fined. And your GF must know that it's almost impossible to guarantee a dog won't relieve itself in an outside area. Even if you could, you couldn't stop other dogs from marking your dog's scent.

Oh and ideology isn't telepathy, however much you love, trust and respect your GF. You and your GFs cred is a little suspect when you chose to ignore the rules in the first place. What other rules do you choose to ignore? Curbing your dog? Picking up its poop?

vindication15 wrote:


So you are telling me she scanned the whole entire football field before taking the dog off leash AND kept scanning field the entire time to make sure no person was around and that the dog had no escape route whatsoever (cause if the dog is off leash, they could run away at any time). If she went to those two extremes then yeah, in this particular instance, you did not endanger anyone.

Is it unreasonable for me to assume here that this is what she did, if even that, - "Hey, don't see anyone in my peripheral vision, let's let my dog run free"......pays attention to other stuff....10 mins later...cops come and writes a ticket.

If she was scanning the field for people the entire time, she should have seen the cop coming....not seeing the cop suddenly come means she did not have a good idea of who was around and that is dangerous....not for you or the dog but for people who don't want to encounter a dog off leash.