Esquired wrote:
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duh wrote:
nyrgravey9, 23 Bidwell, apt 2. Bring the poop. I'll show you the crackheads, unemployed and uneducated youth, guys fresh from prison with no prospects other than a street corner, pregnant teens, to name a few. But, yes, poop, cant say I'm so concerned.

duh wrote:
nyrgravey9, 23 Bidwell, apt 2. Bring the poop. I'll show you the crackheads, unemployed and uneducated youth, guys fresh from prison with no prospects other than a street corner, pregnant teens, to name a few. But, yes, poop, cant say I'm so concerned.

nyrgravey9 wrote:


Most dog owners don't have the first clue on how to properly train and control their dogs. First clue is to see how they walk them. Every time I see a dog ON leash that walks 6-10 feet ahead of their owner, it makes me laugh because I already know they're a piker who knows nothing about dog ownership and proper training. The dog owns them!


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mr_grumpy_face wrote:
I'm more bothered on behalf of the dogs that are off-leash than anything else. These owners are just asking for their dogs to be bitten by other dogs, hit by cars, lost, etc.

The amount of potentially bad things you're exposing your dog to is far greater than whatever benefit you think you might be providing your dog by letting him off-leash. Sometimes I think people let their dogs off-leash more for their own egos than for the benefit of the dog.

Anyway, be smart, curb your dog, and get it fixed!

dtjcview wrote:
http://stevenfulop.com/sites/default/ ... op_public_safety_plan.pdf

Seems like a good plan to me. No mention of any kind of dog poop S.W.A.T. team though.

duh wrote:
nyrgravey9, thank you. It?s true I do read a lot (not much Vonnegut or Chomsky, but thanks for noticing anyway), and though it is unfortunate that words found on the SAT make you uncomfortable, reading your posts has allowed me the luxury of laughing out loud, from the gut, for a good amount of time. I agree my comments are trollish, offering no constructive suggestion other than to grow up and get over it. No, I havn?t stood in the dog park in my free time and taken a survey on leashed and unleashed dogs, or how many times they pooped, or if it was picked up - I guess I was too busy doing something unconstructive (though it sounds like we should hang out). But, I suppose, thanks to the revolutionary fire that burns within your soul, we all will avoid wading through a foot and half of dog poop with packs of feral k9?s nipping holes in our dockers. You are on to something though - it?s long be understood that the amount of dog poop and leashless-ness in a city directly correlates to a failing school system, violent crime rate, child obesity, and inadequate health care. Since you asked, yes, I will gladly give you my address, but you have to keep your promise and pick up and transport pounds of dog poop on a daily basis over to me. Actually, the idea of you and fat-ass showing up at my apartment day after day with copious amounts of dog excrement in hand brings me tremendous delight. And, if each of you leave me your addresses, I will leave books with big words, and half a brain, on each of your doorsteps. Now, stop reading this, so you can back to watching dogs defecate and telling on people.

mr_grumpy_face wrote:
Sometimes I think people let their dogs off-leash more for their own egos than for the benefit of the dog.

Vigilante wrote:
Morris Canal Park? That's a de facto dog park now. Everyone in Jersey City knows that. People travel from miles around to let their dogs play and swim. Yes, your pissing in the wind. Good luck with that.

equ wrote:
I am not surprised to see the snarky dog owners come out of the woodwork... "They" have basically declared Morris Canal theirs... Why can't I go for a run there comfortably? Why can't my friends take their toddlers out there? When did it become an "official dog run"?

It is in Jersey City limits so owners have to abide by the 6ft leash law. Period. It is not private property.

I say let's start a petition for starting enforcement and I'll sign it as well.

mr_grumpy_face wrote:
I'm more bothered on behalf of the dogs that are off-leash than anything else. These owners are just asking for their dogs to be bitten by other dogs, hit by cars, lost, etc.

The amount of potentially bad things you're exposing your dog to is far greater than whatever benefit you think you might be providing your dog by letting him off-leash. Sometimes I think people let their dogs off-leash more for their own egos than for the benefit of the dog.

Anyway, be smart, curb your dog, and get it fixed!

duh wrote:
The revulsion I feel toward so many of the opinions on this thread, should be second only to how sick you make yourselves. I don't understand the slavish adherence to 'the law.' So many of you people are looking to shame, tattle, rat out, your own neighbors - to be fined and punished for something like a leash law. Yes, people should leash their dogs, and pick up the poop, or else the rest of us are inconvenienced. Fine, whatever. Barring some terrible event (like a dog attacking another dog or person, or getting loose and getting hit by a car), which happens fewer and father between that any other repercussion, you are talking about wanting people to watch each other, and tell on each other. Personally, I'd much rather step in, over, and around a pile of dog shit, than have a bunch of uptight, psych-issue laden, immature, first-world problem promulgators getting righteous over essentially nothing when there are some serious causes that could use your energy and attention.

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Actually, if you go to any of the parks, Morris Canal especially, on any given day, it's closer to 50% or more, but nice try.

Secondly, no one's requesting the entire JCPD drop major crime investigation to stop the dreaded dog poop problem.

It takes one cop, with a ticket book and a pen, for MAYBE an hour total to hit the three major parks in DTJC. Problem solved. I seriously doubt one diverted cop, who is already patrolling DTJC, will miss out on the big drug ring bust they're so fond of doing.

Rather than being a pretentious DB, you can actually contribute something constructive to the discussion.

I should have known with your hipsterific avatar that we were dealing with a superior intelligence here.

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Maybe 3% of dog owners walk their pups off leash. Probably about 3% don't pick up the poop. I would say 50% of the drivers in DTJC break the law, speed, roll through Stop signs etc. The ticket for off-leash dog is $56.00. You really think the cops are going to throw out some big dragnet to catch dog walkers? Good Luck Joe Friday.

Sorry, it's definitely not 3% but it's also nowhere near 50%, so nice try. If half the dog owners at morris canal park on any given day didn't pick up after their dogs your feet wouldn't even hit the grass.

The bigger crap problem in the park is from the geese. If half of your big concern is keeping crap out of the park they should be your first target.
"Geese feces usually contain the parasites cryptosporidium, giardia, coliform, and campylobacter. Cryptosporidium poses the most serious health hazard...responsible for a 1993 outbreak of disease in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, when the city's water supply became contaminated. One hundred people died and 400,000 became ill during this epidemic."

And FYI, Animal Control does patrol Morris Canal park on a regular basis. Once the weather started getting better they were showing up on an almost daily basis in the mornings.

duh wrote:
The revulsion I feel toward so many of the opinions on this thread, should be second only to how sick you make yourselves. I don't understand the slavish adherence to 'the law.' So many of you people are looking to shame, tattle, rat out, your own neighbors - to be fined and punished for something like a leash law. Yes, people should leash their dogs, and pick up the poop, or else the rest of us are inconvenienced. Fine, whatever. Barring some terrible event (like a dog attacking another dog or person, or getting loose and getting hit by a car), which happens fewer and father between that any other repercussion, you are talking about wanting people to watch each other, and tell on each other. Personally, I'd much rather step in, over, and around a pile of dog shit, than have a bunch of uptight, psych-issue laden, immature, first-world problem promulgators getting righteous over essentially nothing when there are some serious causes that could use your energy and attention.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
DTJCview, I understand your point. However, when one of those problems begins to get out of hand, residents like myself decide it's time to put some balance into the equation and ask for more enforcement. If littering for out of control, I'd probably be ranting and calling for more litter enforcement.

You're deflecting responsibility and distracting from the issue I've pointed out in my original post. Your points about other violations are outside the scope of this discussion.

How about this...the next time you're pulled over by a police office, for speeding, or a right turn violation, whatever...I want you to explain to the officer "hey, there are kids playing soccer in areas of the park not designated for soccer playing."

Once that happens, login here and report back what that officer says, I'd love to hear it.

Subsequently, I don't remember the last time a kid playing soccer took a shit on the grass for other kids to step in. I also don't recall reading about any soccer playing kids biting other people in the park. Maybe it has happened somewhere, but it's definitely not a widespread problem. If it was a big problem, I'd write about that instead.

I CAN, however, point to article after article of dogs off leash biting people, or someone getting sick from errant feces.

Lastly, if the issue of kids playing soccer in parks bothers you so much, so ahead and start a post about it. I welcome local involvement on all issues. Let's see how many people will back you up on that fight.

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yorkist wrote:
You missed the "except as in designated for the purpose." There are areas in the park "designated for the purpose." Regardless, they didn't want to sit on the grass either.

Nope I was pretty clear. "Soccer playing outside designated areas is also breaking the law according to JC Ordinances:"

Regardless of whether that particular ordinance is obeyed and/or enforced, it doesn't give anybody the right to let their dogs run off leash (and no, I don't violate this ordinance either, haven't played soccer since I was a kid).

I'm actually making a case for enforcing all the ordinances. The problem with selective enforcement, targeting a specific group, is that it alienates that group. It also doesn't help build stronger relationships between police and the community. Our police should be writing tickets for dog poop, unleashed dogs, cyclists on sidewalks, littering, ball playing in picnic areas, and all instances where City ordinances are being broken.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Actually, if you go to any of the parks, Morris Canal especially, on any given day, it's closer to 50% or more, but nice try.

Secondly, no one's requesting the entire JCPD drop major crime investigation to stop the dreaded dog poop problem.

It takes one cop, with a ticket book and a pen, for MAYBE an hour total to hit the three major parks in DTJC. Problem solved. I seriously doubt one diverted cop, who is already patrolling DTJC, will miss out on the big drug ring bust they're so fond of doing.

Rather than being a pretentious DB, you can actually contribute something constructive to the discussion.

I should have known with your hipsterific avatar that we were dealing with a superior intelligence here.

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Vigilante wrote:
Maybe 3% of dog owners walk their pups off leash. Probably about 3% don't pick up the poop. I would say 50% of the drivers in DTJC break the law, speed, roll through Stop signs etc. The ticket for off-leash dog is $56.00. You really think the cops are going to throw out some big dragnet to catch dog walkers? Good Luck Joe Friday.

Vigilante wrote:
Maybe 3% of dog owners walk their pups off leash. Probably about 3% don't pick up the poop. I would say 50% of the drivers in DTJC break the law, speed, roll through Stop signs etc. The ticket for off-leash dog is $56.00. You really think the cops are going to throw out some big dragnet to catch dog walkers? Good Luck Joe Friday.

duh wrote:
The revulsion I feel toward so many of the opinions on this thread, should be second only to how sick you make yourselves. I don't understand the slavish adherence to 'the law.' So many of you people are looking to shame, tattle, rat out, your own neighbors - to be fined and punished for something like a leash law. Yes, people should leash their dogs, and pick up the poop, or else the rest of us are inconvenienced. Fine, whatever. Barring some terrible event (like a dog attacking another dog or person, or getting loose and getting hit by a car), which happens fewer and father between that any other repercussion, you are talking about wanting people to watch each other, and tell on each other. Personally, I'd much rather step in, over, and around a pile of dog shit, than have a bunch of uptight, psych-issue laden, immature, first-world problem promulgators getting righteous over essentially nothing when there are some serious causes that could use your energy and attention.