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Re: Goodbye Jersey City!
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Ah, Dora. I'm not quite sure what your expectations were, but sorry that Jersey City didn't meet them.

Hopefully you will find what you are looking for in Manhattan. In an area like New York every neighborhood has pluses and minuses (unless you're fabulously wealthy). If Manhattan works out better for you, so much the better.

But the derision dripping from every word of your email does a disservice to Jersey City, as "unfortunate" as it might be to you.

I also moved away from Jersey City, although in my case it was because both my partner and I ended up with jobs too far out in Central Jersey to make the commute work. But if we were working in Manhattan again, I'd probably end back up on JC again. We spend five great years living downtown and I'd be happy to spend another five. (And even having been gone a year, I still check this site now and then.)

So goodbye Dora. Don't let the PATH door hit your ass on your way out.

Posted on: 2013/7/7 4:09
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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The level of arrogance and selfishness of some of the people on this thread is notable but not surprising.

As a dog owner myself, I am amazed at how some people truly can think of no one but themselves. I personally love dogs. But many people don't. In fact there is a sizable portion of the population that is uncomfortable or even scared around dogs.

Letting a dog off leash in public (outside of a dog park) shows you are completely indifferent to people who may not be comfortable around dogs. You can use whatever excuse you want -- it's early, there aren't any other dogs in the park, etc -- but the fact is you are using a shared, community resource in a way that limits how much other people can enjoy it. It's really not all that different than playing a boombox that's too loud.

If you choose to have a dog, it is your responsibility to keep it on a leash outdoors whenever you are not at a dog park. Period. If you can't manage that you shouldn't have a dog.

Not to mention that as sweet and predictable as you think your dog may be, you never know how two dogs will react. My mother brought her 15 year old terrier to the park a few months ago, and as soon as she stepped onto the grass two off-leash dogs -- small Lhaso Apsos who "had never done anything like this before" -- viciously attacked her dog. The fact that they didn't have a history of violence didn't mean much when her dog was nearly killed and required $5000 worth of surgery. Which by the way the owner of the off leash dogs is 100% on the hook for.

So you can rationalize it all you want. But leash laws exist for a reason. And when you decide not to follow them, you are putting your lack of consideration for everyone else on public display.

Posted on: 2013/7/3 17:54
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Re: Made With Love - CLOSED
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I certainly didn't mean to make this thread about incomes in downtown JC, but since the question has been raised, here are the latest Census Bureau figures for 2011:

Median household income in 07310 (mostly Newport) is $127,260. Median income in 07302 (mostly downtown but also a bit west of the Turnpike) is $89,278.

Looking closer at incomes downtown, there is a very large disparity by race/ethnicity. Non-hispanic white households have an average income of $106K and Asian households $116K, while African-American households have an average income of $47K and Hispanic households have an income of $39K. So definitely a wide range of incomes. White and Asian households make up about 2/3 of 07302, while African-American and Hispanic households make up about 1/3.

To the point about roommates: the median income of all non-family households with no children and with more than one person (many of which are homes with roommates) have incomes of $134K where the "householder" is female and $146k where the householder is male. So these households have much higher incomes vs the median.

These numbers do not look all that different than they do in Hoboken, where the median household income is $105K. However, the number of households in Hoboken with this level of income is a bit higher.

Posted on: 2013/1/4 16:03
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Re: Made with Love Closes???
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Fact is there are allot more poor, low income families than there are new yuppies down there. When you are not making much money cookies are the last thing on your shopping list.

You can not thrive when only a few residents are making good money, and most people who are making good money seem to get their goods across the Hudson.

This is why the bakery on Newark ave is still going because their prices are reasonable (fresh bread $2) and they still cater to the low income folks who live down there. Sorry to see them go, I sort of liked them. They would have probably done better in Newport.


For what it's worth, according to the census the median household income downtown is $90K.

In any case, it's a shame Made with Love closed. Celeste was always nice to me, and everything I got there was good. However, the prices were a bit on the high side which probably limited how often many people would shop there.

Posted on: 2013/1/2 22:47
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Re: Snor'Eastercane
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Anyone know what the story is at the Liberty Harbor development? It looks like all the garden levels got totally flooded out on those nice single family rowhouses near Zeppelin beer hall. The taxes on those places are significant and I think the developer is still holding a good amount of inventory. Those garden levels are a permanent risk in my book. Not sure who would gamble with $1mm for them after Sandy.


The "good" news is that with the exception of about 6 rowhouses that were sold as large single-family units, the majority of those buildings on the interior streets were converted into 1-2 bedroom condos -- with the garden level units as commercial space. Not good for the businesses, but maybe not as bad as people's homes being ruined.

Anyway, for what it's worth pretty much all the residential units have been sold by now. But much of the commercial space was still vacant.

Really sucks for the businesses that were there and got flooded though. Especially Cocoa, which took so long in the financial crisis to get going and got hit just before opening (and with no flood insurance yet.)

Posted on: 2012/11/13 20:16
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Re: Razza - in old Bar Majestic space
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So if this place is now just a pizza joint with beer and wine, did they sell the full liquor license?

They would have to be nuts not to, those go for an ungodly amount of money. And if they did, it means there is at least an opportunity for a new bar to open.

Posted on: 2012/10/12 13:58
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Re: WTC and JC home prices/rents
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bill wrote:

Seriously, you are a riot. Writing these blanket statement with nothing to back it up.

You are telling me a regional bank that gives out mortgages is going to base their lending rules based on the whole country vs local? LOL


Actually Vindication is pretty much right about this. Even most local lenders don't hold a large percentage of loans in their portfolio and end up reselling them. Since Fannie and Freddie buy most of these loans, and their standards are essentially national, there isn't all that much variation in underwriting standards across regions.

Posted on: 2012/9/26 16:59
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Re: WTC and JC home prices/rents
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Supply is below demand? Are you sure? If so, why would that new construction on Columbus switch to rental units from condos?

Also for your consideration, I have been tracking 1200-1300 sq ft 2ba/2br in Waldo lofts the last few years. This is what various units have been offered at, notice the downtrend in price/sqft.

5/15/09 $596 sqft unsold
11/07/09 $572 unsold
2/24/12 $435 SOLD
5/16/12 $485 unsold
8/17/12 $460 unsold

According to their website 17/82 units are available which means ~ 20% vacancy rate. This suggests supply is greater than demand?

Is real estate regional in downtown Jersey City as well? There is a building in Paulus Hook, called La Coppia that seems to have gone rental as well.


I can't speak to the specific desirability of Waldo Lofts, but even within a smallish area like Downtown JC there can be many factors that make a building desirable or not (location, finishes, layouts, taxes, etc.)

Resales have been very strong downtown this year. The peak selling season is coming to an end, but over the summer there were typically multiple offers on most condo units. I was tracking the market closely as we sold our unit - and actually got 3 offers within 3 days. (One came in within 12 hours of being on the market... we decided to give people a few more days and ended up getting those offers after 20 showings).

New buildings may be facing issues as the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac criteria to approve condos are pretty strict, andf they typically need 50-75% of units to be sold before they will finalize a loan. This is of course a catch 22, as no one can buy a unit until most of the units have been sold.

So most new buildings will be rentals despite underlying demand, meaning a small supply of resales will be the only option for most buyers.

Posted on: 2012/9/26 13:26
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Re: 187 Warren
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It's funny that you posted this today. I was in the neighborhood yesterday for an open house in this very building. The line of prospective buyers (some with agents in tow) waiting to do the walkthrough was insane... The listing agent gave us his spiel, allowed us to look around for 10 minutes or so, and then tried to get us out the door to allow the next mark--er... "interested parties" to have a gander at his wares. The potential buyers were literally waiting outside in the hallway, while two or three groups were allowed in the unit at any given time (to avoid trampling/suffocation I assume). The area seemed nice and the unit itself was in good condition. As for your question, yes, the building is under tax abatement: 13 years remaining on the original 20 if I recall correctly.

This experience was HORRIFYING... Images of bidding wars flashed before my eyes and I wanted to throw up. I saw the realtors all giddy with excitement while exchanging notes with one another on the short elevator ride down (only 4 floors in the building). I guess I missed the market turning. Again... Or maybe it's because J.C. has notoriously low inventory. I think it may be time to start looking beyond J.C.


Don't see why it's "horrifying". Inventory is very low right now (especially for 2 bedrooms) and as such the market in JC has really picked up this year. Given how tight credit is, it's not like these are people buying more than they can afford, it's more a mix of people who are seeing rents rise and deciding buying makes more sense, as well as people who are priced out of other areas (especially Brooklyn) that are increasing the demand in JC. But prices are increasing modestly. Not with huge jumps as in 2006 and before.

I sold my condo this summer and had 3 offers within 3 days (including one which came the same day we put our place on the MLS). All at list or above. So I guess that qualifies as a bidding war.

FYI you should check on the abatement, as some are phased out over time (although the details vary).

Posted on: 2012/9/10 21:23
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Re: A non-vegan's experience at Subia's... (from yelp)
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Where did you get YOUR facts about heart disease?
Vegetarians who eat loads of refined carbs and cheese, yes... they can develop heart disease. Vegans who eat plenty of vegetables would have a hard time. The fat in your arteries comes from the fat in your food. It's that simple. I got a lot of information from Dr. Fuhrman's well-researched book called "Eat to Live". So, if you are interested, you can pick up the book or do some research yourself.... or, you can ask Bill Clinton how he saved his life by going vegan.

I am finished now with this debate. Not because I think I will lose, but because I have other stuff to do, including thinking about the healthy veg recipes I will be making this weekend.

Have at it.


There are many positive health benefits to eating a diet that has a large quantity of vegetables.

That said, saying "The fat in your arteries comes from the fat in your food. It's that simple" is not really true. The fat in your body is a result of excess calorie storage. Those calories can come from fat, protein, or carbohydrates. Fat is calorie dense (9 calories per gram vs 4 for protein and carbs), so fat is much more likely to be stored vs burned. And what builds up in arteries is a complex mix of specific fats, white blood cells, and other matter over which genetics plays a major role.

Everyone, whether meat-eating, vegan, or vegetarian, can have a healthy diet or an unhealthy diet. There are plenty of unhealthy vegetarians who load up on cheese and full-fat tofu, and there are plenty of meat-eaters who eat a lot of vegetables and less red meat who are quite healthy.

Too many people like to set up eating choices as binary - vegans vs people who eat a huge bloody steak every night. The truth is there are many possible ways of eating that can be quite healthy, including vegetarian and vegan diets and diets containing meat (even some red meat).

Posted on: 2012/8/31 14:09
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Re: Kraverie for Sale
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That's disappointing. Since the owners were also the chefs there will definitely be some change as they transition to a new chef.

Hope this place stays in business. Everything's pretty good, especially the Korean stuff.

Posted on: 2012/8/24 19:13
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Re: Person in condo association won't pay fees--any suggestions?
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Again, it's time to consult a lawyer.

It's not advisable to send this kind of letter to the tenant, especially as you can't go after them for the unpaid condo dues. And a lien is already in place but that means nothing to a tenant since they have no ownership interest.

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Absolutely inform the tenants. Put a flyer under the door saying "The owner of this unit is delinquent on monthly condo payments for the past xxxx. The owners of this building are exploring options to collect payment including enacting a lien on the property and/or rent garnishment from current tenants. This is an informational flyer for the current occupants of unit xxxx."

Posted on: 2012/8/24 19:10
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Re: Person in condo association won't pay fees--any suggestions?
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You absolutely need an attorney at this point.

Your best and only option is to initiate the foreclosure process. Even if it does not fully reach the point of an actual foreclosure, this may finally get the attention of the deadbeat owner. It may even be that a letter from an attorney initiating the process finally does the trick.

Just keep in mind that NJ has a judicial foreclosure process, which means that all foreclosures require a court order. This means it's not a short process.

Posted on: 2012/8/24 13:21
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Re: neighborhood around 1st and Brunswick
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what is the percentage of people who own homes and pay property tax in those "less desirable" neighborhoods vs. in downtown.

27% of the properties in Jersey City are tax abated (mostly Downtown and the Waterfront). The rest of the homeowners in Jersey City pick up the tab..... but they don't need us outside of downtown... LOL!


For what it's worth, the average "abated" property downtown pays $8000 in PILOT fees, 100% of which goes to the city. The average non-abated property in Jersey City pays $4000 in taxes, only half of which goes to the city.

Questions over fairness of the city getting all revenue and shutting out the county and schools, the city receives four times as much from "abated" properties downtown vs the average property.

Posted on: 2012/7/31 14:56
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Re: Another accident at Grove and Grand
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ianmac47 wrote:
The biggest problem with this intersection is that leading into it from the east is a roadway with four lanes across and without street parking. The result is that drivers naturally expect the roadway to have a faster speed limit and accelerate accordingly.

The best approach is restoration of street parking, shrinking the street to one lane in each direction. Parked cars along the street would give drivers the perception of a more narrow roadway. Narrow roadways lead to a natural inclination to slow down. The added congestion would also slow traffic, increasing response time and reducing accidents. Adding curb extensions along Grand street would further enhance road safety by reducing the distance pedestrians must walk to cross the street and by artificially narrowing the street corners. Drivers approaching curb extensions slow down because of the perception of the narrow street.

This is pretty basic stuff and generally well accepted among contemporary urban planners. These are basic principles that are much less agressive than more progressive street designs ongoing in places like New York City under Bloomberg. If the city's administration were even half qualified for their jobs, they wouldn't be adding lanes to local streets.


Agree this is a great idea. In addition to on-street parking on both sides, the city should do a few more things:
- Make the right lane on Grand eastbound approaching Jersey a right-turn only, with parking starting on Grand just after the intersection at Jersey, to avoid the sudden shift in the road there
- Add sheltered bike lanes on both sides between car parking and the roadway (like in NYC)
- Add a raised island median (ideally landscaped) if any room is left
- Time the lights on Grand at Jersey, Barrow, and Grove to avoid a straight shot through. These actually used to be timed so that the light at Barrow was red when the light at Jersey was green but now they're synchronized.

Posted on: 2012/7/26 20:26
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Re: Jersey City woman had 18 tenants living in her two-family house, officials say
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You can report unsafe living conditions anonymously to the health department or through the Mayor's Action Bureau.

Posted on: 2012/7/26 1:21
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Re: Commuting from Jersey City to Princeton
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I have personal experience with this commute. It is doable, but honestly it is not terribly fun.

Driving will take 75-90 minutes depending on where exactly in Princeton you're going. (A large area around Princeton still has a Princeton address so times vary a bit.) The best way is probably to take the Turnpike down to exit 8A, take 130 south for a few miles, then cut over to Route 1 on Dey Road. From there you can drive into Princeton Borough. Alternatively you can do something similar from Exit 8. Unless you are commuting during off hours I would suggest you never take the recommended Google Maps directions to go down Route 1. The traffic from New Brunswick to Princeton on Route 1 is pretty bad.

Train timing is a bit more variable. You will need to PATH to Newark, then take the NE Corridor line to Princeton Junction, then the shuttle train to Princeton station. If you time things really well this will take a but over 90 minutes depending on how many stops your train has. The Princeton train station is basically right on the Princeton University campus, so depending on where in Princeton your job is you could have another 15 minute or so walk.

I will be honest. My other half used to work in Princeton for 2 years while we lived here and found it really draining - contributing to a decision to move to a job in NYC. Now that another job back in Princeton is in the cards, we're actually moving down there in a few weeks because it's just not worth putting up with so much commute time to us. You may feel differently, but you should at least have the best information to help you decide.

Posted on: 2012/7/20 21:40
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Re: Flooding on Grove Street
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Based on what I've seen over the past few years, that block doesn't flood too badly, in the sense that the roadway is not usually significantly flooded out during a heavy rain. The block between York and Grand is much worse, and the water there often rises over the sidewalk and down into the basement levels of homes.

That said, basement flooding is an issue in almost all of downtown JC during a heavy rain, as the antiquated sewer system becomes overwhelmed and there is nowhere for water to go. Worse, when the system becomes truly overloaded sewer water can sometimes come out of basement drains and flood the basement.

Given the road there doesn't flood too badly you may want to look into getting a pump that can drain water out into the street. Not a bad option for when the pipes are at capacity.

Posted on: 2012/7/18 20:40
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Re: Shades, drapes or window-tints work - any recommendation for contractors?
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If you're at all handy you may want to consider measuring and/or installing blinds/drapes yourself as you will save a lot of money. Smith and Noble and The Shade Store are places where you can have blinds made to order based on your measurements. Most blinds are pretty easy to install yourself.

A few years ago when we were installing blinds I talked to Interior Motif in Hoboken and they were very expensive.

Posted on: 2012/7/17 17:29
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Re: VERIZON FIOS
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BimmerRules wrote:
Thanks MDM.

How about the hardwiring of your Blueray player?

I have a cheap Toshiba one and want to give it a shot even though I am not a geek. :)

Can you guide me please?

Thanks and good luck on your wireless efforts!


Another option instead of pulling new cable could be to use your existing cable TV (coaxial) cable if you have it near your Blu-Ray player. If you already have the Verizon router, you can get this from Amazon, and then use an Ethernet cable to hook up to your Blu-Ray. If you don't have FIOS, you can get a similar setup with a pair of the adapters. These work pretty well and are generally cheaper than running new cable in your walls.

Posted on: 2012/7/16 20:08
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Re: VERIZON FIOS
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Again... Verizon IMO, throttles back their wireless in order to lower the loads on their internet network. So you get a download speed of 15 MB.. but the wireless makes sure you will never get near that limit.


This isn't exactly true. The router doesn't throttle speed. However, until a few months ago the standard-issue Verizon router used an older generation of wireless (802.11g) that in real world usage will be unable of using the full bandwidth of the faster FIOS speeds. The new standard router is up-to-date with 802.11n and should be able to take advantage of all but the fastest speed available. It doesn't offer one important feature that most other good wireless routers have (simultaneous dual-band operation), but other than that it's actually pretty decent. You can tell the new router by the red band (instead of silver) near the front, and it has two antennas.

If you have the old router, you can disable the wireless and set up a better wireless router (wired to the Verizon router).

Most FIOS setups can't get rid of the router because it's needed to convert the coax cable to a standard Ethernet cable. And if you have FIOS TV you have to use the router in your setup.

Posted on: 2012/7/16 20:03
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Re: Manhattan rents experience highest rise in 5 years
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This is the hierarchy

1. Anything in Manhattan
2. Any safe area in Brooklyn
3. Astoria and Forest Hills in Queens
4. Hoboken near Washington St
5. Newport/Downtown Jersey City
6. Unsafe areas in brooklyn
7. Unsafe areas in Queens
8. The "best areas" in the Bronx
9. Inconvenient places in Hoboken that are still safe (less than 10 min walk to PATH)
10. Inconvenient places in Newport/Downtown Jersey City that are still safe (think Dixon Mills area)
11. Unsafe areas in the Bronx
12. Anything in Hoboken
13. Other parts of Jersey City - starting with Journal square then JC heights, etc.

14. If don't live in the above places, you either

a) don't work in NYC
b) don't have a social life
c) have a family and need an actual house and good schools
d) not too bright...
e) don't care about getting murdered, stabbed, or raped
f) any combination of the above

Someone had to tell the truth..


Pretty accurate - at least overall (if you look at average price per square foot)). There are probably a few refinements, like Williamsburg and BK Heights being more expensive than most of Harlem. And Astoria and especially Forest Hills are actually quite in demand for families, and prices can be pretty high.

But I think this list is mostly reflective of the views of young singles. Take Hoboken - in rentals and 1 bedroom condos the price per square foot is a bit higher than downtown JC, but in 2bd condos (which appeal more to couples/families) downtown JC prices have been the same or higher recently.

For what it's worth, with the ridiculous rents in Brooklyn over the past 2 years, I've seen plenty of people move to downtown JC (bringing stuff like Barcade and Two Booth with them).

Posted on: 2012/7/13 15:12
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Re: Please clean up your dog poop...
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Quote:

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http://www.amazon.com/Champion-Packag ... 8-2&keywords=pure+ammonia

I use this on the sidewalk trees after I saw various dog droppings. After pouring some of this biweekly, I don't even see dogs walk their dogs on the sidewalk anymore.


Why would you intentionally and regularly pour a toxic substance (which is hazardous in concentrated form) onto plants on a public sidewalk? The ammonia will poison the soil and eventually kill the tree.

If you really want to keep dogs off of something, you can buy some bitter apple spray. It is nontoxic and dogs are repelled by the scent.

Posted on: 2012/7/11 15:19
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Re: Two Boots Pizza
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Quote:

tommyc_37 wrote:
Just curious, do all businesses receive a ribbon-cutting event when they open?


Given our mayor, I'd bet these ribbon cuttings are way more likely at places where the event will involve alcohol or free pizza.

Posted on: 2012/6/22 13:56
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Re: Noise from Zeppelin Beer Hall
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I live not too far away (about a block). I can't really hear anything, even when a band is playing.

There were a lot of understandable complaints from the renters above when the beer garden first opened, but most of those people moved and all the new folks are well aware of what's there. Either they really like the view, are getting a good deal, or whatever soundproofing was done is enough for them.

I wonder not so much about the noise, but how the beer garden got a live entertainment license when those are so hard to get around these parts.

Posted on: 2012/5/9 21:02
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Re: VB3 opens in Downtown Jersey City
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Completely unfounded first impression.

Possible highlights:
- The pizzas at the "restaurant" (although not the "pizzeria") seem to be a nice change of pace from the usual
- The rest of the menu seems solid. A place that focuses on high-quality local ingredients does not typically have so many different things on the menu so I guess that's a plus.

Possible lowlights:
- The bar has the potential to be incredibly douchey. As in like a supernova of the most obnoxious Meatpacking drinks list and an overdone, hyperkinetic version of a sports bar. But I'd give it the benefit of the doubt, maybe they somehow made it work.
- It's hard for a kitchen that's pumping out 60 different menu items, half from your traditional "pizzeria" menu and half from their very different "restaurant" menu, to do everything well.

I may check it out and see how well they've pulled it off. Yelp reviews look good, although there is a 95% chance that one of them was a shill since it basically reads like it was written by a PR person.

Posted on: 2012/5/7 21:06
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Re: OPEN JERSEY AVENUE TO LIBERTY STATE PARK!!
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I'd actually like to see a new bridge built, but maybe with specific traffic calming features like traffic circles and/or speed bumps, and making the road one-way against the commute) during rush hours. As the area around Liberty Harbor develops down the road this could help make the area at the foot of Jersey less desolate. And hopefully traffic calming could avoid it becoming a highway.

Posted on: 2012/5/4 14:58
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Re: Thirty Acres Restaurant- Jersey Avenue
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Thirty Acres got a nice mention on Eater NY today, which linked to a very positive review of the place:
http://smithratliff.com/2012/04/09/postcard-from-jersey-city/

Posted on: 2012/4/12 2:55
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Re: Another Store gets faded out on Newark... gentrification still at work.
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It always sucks when a decent business run by good people closes. But local camera stores are having a really tough time all over (not just due to "gentrification"). With cheap digital cameras available in Best Buy and most photos taken with cell phones, the big drivers of sales - film processing and camera sales - have suffered.

It's even harder around here, as the higher-end part of the market that a lot of local camera stores have focused on tends to be dominated by B&H and Adorama.

I hope Hudson Camera is successful in their new endeavor. Given the lack of some services we still have in JC, I'm sure there's a niche for them.

Posted on: 2012/3/22 20:52
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Re: What downtown restaurants can do a private dinner for 50?
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if it's not a prime wedding day and time, you could try the upstairs areas at Maritime Parc. The food and views are both very nice and they're definitely set up for private dining.

Posted on: 2012/3/6 18:01
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