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jcdd wrote: My daughter's pediatrician (located in jersey city), confirmed that the flouride they want to put in the water system is essentially industrial waste. I spoke with him about it when he gave me a prescription for a vitamin supplement with flouride for my 9 month old baby. He explained that the flouride in the vitamin is chemically different than the industrial waste they want to put in the water supply. He is a well regarded doctor and was obviously not pleased with the possibility of flouridating the water supply.
I was taught in high-school "fluoride" is just an ion F-. What did your doctor mean by "chemically different"?

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My daughter's pediatrician (located in jersey city), confirmed that the flouride they want to put in the water system is essentially industrial waste.

I spoke with him about it when he gave me a prescription for a vitamin supplement with flouride for my 9 month old baby. He explained that the flouride in the vitamin is chemically different than the industrial waste they want to put in the water supply.

He is a well regarded doctor and was obviously not pleased with the possibility of flouridating the water supply.

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By the way -- Brita and other filters Do NOT Remove Fluoride -- or a lot of other things!

http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemist ... uide/a/removefluoride.htm

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I seriously doubt anyone fluoridate our water because they care about preventing our tooth decay.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releas ... ts-ignored-139149424.html

"Not only does this unfunded mandate completely strip away all local control of fluoridation, but requires local taxpayers to fund the estimated $5 billion start-up cost and the annual $1 billion cost to maintain the practice,"

Why the hell would we pay for this ?




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Water Fluoridation is obsolete, according to Nobel Prize Scientist Dr. Arvid Carlsson.

In the 1970s, Dr. Carlsson was an outspoken opponent of two failed attempts to fluoridate water supplies in Sweden. Thanks in large part to his efforts, Sweden remains fluoridation free. As Carlsson notes, "nobody talks about [fluoridation] anymore" in Sweden.

As with the vast majority of western Europe, Sweden has rejected water fluoridation, but has still experienced the same decline in tooth decay as experienced in heavily fluoridated countries such as the United States.

Q: In the US, the Centers for Disease Control, which is a US government health body, has proclaimed water fluoridation to be one of the top ten public health achievements of the twentieth century.

A: I disagree profoundly.

http://waterindustry.org/Water-Facts/fluoride-8.htm


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> The Centers for Disease Control reports that over 41% of 12-15 years olds are afflicted with dental fluorosis due to fluoride over-exposure. Utter Bollocks! Now let's go to the official CDC website and see what they actually say about fluoridation: "For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century. " http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation


Here you go, from the "official CDC website..."

http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/dental_fluorosis.htm

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> The Centers for Disease Control reports that over 41% of 12-15 years olds are afflicted with dental fluorosis due to fluoride over-exposure.

Utter Bollocks!

Now let's go to the official CDC website and see what they actually say about fluoridation:

"For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century. "

http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation

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follow the money to see who is pushing fluoride . . .

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=42652E035A1B1BAAAE1F340B54694975


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The Centers for Disease Control reports that over 41% of 12-15 years olds are afflicted with dental fluorosis due to fluoride over-exposure.

The Environmental Protection Agency?s Office of Water will lower safe water fluoride levels because of concerns that fluoride adversely affects bones and teeth. (January 2011)

?The prolonged ingestion of fluoride may cause significant damage to health and particularly to the nervous system,? concludes a review of studies by researchers Valdez-Jimenez, et al. published in Neurologia (June 2011).

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Let water be water.

UWS has a hard enough time providing consistent, regular access to clean drinking water.


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Fluoride makes teeth hard and strong and prevents tooth decay, ask your dentist or doctor. Spare us the links to your nutcase websites. Robin.


Then why are there poison control warnings on toothpaste?

If you want fluoride, buy it. It shouldn't be forced on everyone--as the rest of the world is figuring out.

The push to fluoridate water was controversial--and unpopular--from the start.

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Fluoride makes teeth hard and strong and prevents tooth decay, ask your dentist or doctor.

Spare us the links to your nutcase websites.

Robin.

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How old are you? It is never smart to have an unregulated dose of something as bad as fluoride -- read this...


Exactly. I grew up with fluoridated water & now my teeth are very brittle--and I'm only in my 40s. It also affects thyroid function, which is something I may have to start worrying about now.

About.com thyroid disease

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Will be great if they do this, stop me having to get fluoride drop prescriptions from the paediatrician.

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How old are you?

It is never smart to have an unregulated dose of something as bad as fluoride -- read this...

http://www.fluoride-history.de/index.htm

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Will be great if they do this, stop me having to get fluoride drop prescriptions from the paediatrician.

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Does anyone know what's going on with this? I was going to buy a fluoride filter, but then realized we don't have it in our tap water...yet.

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I'm a little more worried about what they're not telling us...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2 ... -10-drugs-tap-water_N.htm

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The following nations previously fluoridated their water, but stopped the practice, with the years when water fluoridation started and stopped in parentheses:

Federal Republic of Germany (1952?1971)
Sweden (1952?1971)
Netherlands (1953?1976)
Czechoslovakia (1955?1990)
German Democratic Republic (1959?1990)
Soviet Union (1960?1990)
Finland (1959?1993)
Japan (1952?1972)

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Flouride has been in drinking water in countries like the UK, most of Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Sth Africa, some Asian and Middle Eastern countries for years.
Flouride has been proven to make a positive impact on oral hygiene in those countries. The biggest negative impact on oral / teeth hygiene has been filtered bottled water and many schools in those countries are banning filtered bottled water from schools.
The only negative impact this introduction of flouride to our water will be to dentists !


Also, fluoride is a proven carcinogen.

But who wouldn't want British-looking teeth. They are known as a model of perfection.

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New Jersey Threatened with Mandatory Water Fluoridation - Science and Residents Ignored

NEW YORK, Feb. 11, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

Despite objections from environmentalists and utility officials, New Jersey is under threat of mandatory fluoridation, which is the addition of fluoride chemicals into the public drinking water ostensibly to reduce tooth decay. Despite admission by the Federal Government that American children are fluoride over-exposed and that fluoride's benefits are primarily topical, New Jersey legislators are crafting a law that will force fluoridation on the entire state, reports the Fluoride Action Network (FAN).

"Since fluoride's benefits are topical, it makes no sense to swallow fluoride and makes even less sense to put fluoride into drinking water when fluoridated toothpaste is available to everyone," says Paul Connett, PhD, FAN Executive Director and co-author of the book, The Case Against Fluoride.
NJ Senate Bill S-959 and Assembly Bill 1811 will require cities to add unnecessary, untested, health-robbing fluoride chemicals into the public water supplies.

"Not only does this unfunded mandate completely strip away all local control of fluoridation, but requires local taxpayers to fund the estimated $5 billion start-up cost and the annual $1 billion cost to maintain the practice," says Connett.

"We suggest NJ residents quickly contact the NJ Senate Budget and Appropriations Committee and Governor Christie to reject this ill-conceived unfunded fluoridation mandate," says Connett.

Fluoridation chemicals?often purchased from Mexico, China, and Japan?are hazardous waste by-products of the phosphate fertilizer industry that are contaminated with trace levels of arsenic, lead and radionuclides. These industrial-grade chemicals were never tested for safety in humans or animals, and never received approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

While the NJ House and Senate members rush to cast votes that will affect all residents of the State, the public's voice is being ignored. Testimony was given in opposition to S-959 by the NJ League of Municipalities, the NJ Sierra Club, the NJ Business and Industry Association, the citizens' group No Fluoride New Jersey, and by numerous local water companies and utilities who explained that fluoride is such a powerful chemical that over time it corrodes their equipment. But most NJ residents are unaware of this pending legislation.

Oddly, the push for mandatory fluoridation in New Jersey comes in the wake of an historical shift in the U.S. fluoridation program. Growing numbers of cities are stopping fluoridation because of health and cost concerns. Since 1990, more than 300 communities in North America voted to end fluoridation, including 43 cities serving approximately 3 million residents since October 2010.

On January 7, 2011, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) recommended lowering the level of fluoride added to drinking water. This was in response to national survey data showing that 41% of adolescents ages 12-15 have dental fluorosis, or discolored teeth, an outwardly visible sign of fluoride toxicity. However, the new level recommended by HHS (0.7 parts per million fluoride) is still too high to protect all citizens, especially people who drink large amounts of water, kidney patients and babies.

Adding fluoride to drinking water is also an Environmental Justice issue. Black and Mexican American children have significantly higher levels of the more severe forms of dental fluorosis. Add to that over 25 published papers associating exposure to fluoride and reduced IQ in children while EPA's National Health and Environmental Effects Research Laboratory lists fluoride as a developmental neurotoxicant.
Infants drinking formula made up with water containing 0.7 ppm fluoride will receive approximately 175 times more fluoride than a breast-fed infant. Many government, health and dental organizations now advise that infant formula should not be mixed with fluoridated water. Low-income children have a greater risk of suffering from all forms of fluoride toxicity, as poor diet exacerbates fluoride's detrimental effects.

The NJ legislation was introduced without notifying or requesting comments from those opposing fluoridation. More than 4,000 professionals (including 331 dentists and 518 MD's) urge that fluoridation be stopped citing scientific evidence that ingesting fluoride is ineffective at reducing tooth decay and has serious health risks. See statement. Also, 11 US EPA unions representing over 7000 environmental and public health professionals are calling for a moratorium on fluoridation

Connett says, "There are two fundamental scientific questions on water fluoridation: 1) does it work, 2) is it safe. The answer to both is no."

"Fluoridation promoters routinely exaggerate benefits. The largest survey of tooth decay in the U.S. was conducted by the National Institute for Dental Research in 1986-87. The actual saving was just six-tenths of one tooth surface, without consideration that fluoride causes late tooth eruption. Even promoters of fluoridation now agree that fluoride works through contact with the tooth surface rather than by incorporation into developing enamel. So this dispute comes down to whether the government should put fluoride into everyone's water so that fluoride might eventually end up in the saliva to deliver this topical action or whether people should apply it themselves using fluoridated toothpaste. The first approach exposes every tissue of the body to a toxic substance and the second approach avoids that and also avoids forcing it upon people who don't want it," says Connett
"The concerns of a landmark fluoride toxicology review by the National Research Council in 2006 included fluoride's thyroid effects and fluoride's ability to damage the brain. There have now been 25 studies showing that fluoride can lower the IQ of children. One well-conducted study found a threshold for this effect at 1.9 ppm. That leaves a totally inadequate margin of safety to protect every child in America, when one considers the wide range of sensitivity and exposure in a large population," says Connett.

The US EPA is in the process of preparing a new health risk assessment for the maximum level of fluoride allowed as a contaminant in drinking water. The Fluoride Action Network, a non-profit advocacy group, urges the representatives of New Jersey to delay their vote until the outcome of the EPA's assessment is known. The conclusion reached by EPA, if they follow normal regulatory procedures, may well be that no amount of fluoride is considered safe for drinking water.

SOURCE Fluoride Action Network http://www.FluorideAction.Net

The Absurdities of Water Fluoridation http://www.fluoridealert.org/absurdity.htm

Fluoride Water Causing Teeth Spots
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01 ... -causing-te_n_805706.html

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Flouride has been in drinking water in countries like the UK, most of Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Sth Africa, some Asian and Middle Eastern countries for years.
Flouride has been proven to make a positive impact on oral hygiene in those countries. The biggest negative impact on oral / teeth hygiene has been filtered bottled water and many schools in those countries are banning filtered bottled water from schools.
The only negative impact this introduction of flouride to our water will be to dentists !

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People can choose to brush their teeth with fluoridated toothpaste or not. Once fluoride is in water, it can't be taken out. Its a toxin that unlike lead, cannot be filtered out with Brita or Pur water filters.

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cavity prevention, and also I feel left out now that I know I'm not a part of the hive mind.

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I had no idea we weren't fluoridated. Please do it


How come?

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I had no idea we weren't fluoridated. Please do it

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Forget Dr Strangelove - there really is a big problem with this stuff!

http://www.fluoride-history.de/index.htm

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