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They were hitting on you. Just imagine all the peppery questions/ suggestions you'll get once they buy the x-ray backscatter machines.
Posted on: 2009/6/17 23:14
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well, normal travellers are calm, aren't they?
Posted on: 2009/6/17 20:47
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If the searches have expanded to include this, this is a serious allegation. (and they're in violation of the even the "court" order that allowed bags to be searched) Is this true? Has this happened to anyone else? For those who aren't aware, this "technology" exists. It's as reliable as it sounds, and the real purpose of it is as obvious as it sounds. It's been advertised/threatened for use at airports, including things like measuring how fast your eyes twitch and other "signs" of nervousness. (Also note that it works by assuming that a military operative on a mission is nervous and has no access to drugs to calm their nerves, but a normal traveler is calm).
Posted on: 2009/6/17 19:47
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They pulled me aside this morning, said my body temperature registered as "high". Peppered me with questions about why that would be. Kind of weird, I tend to walk very briskly and am not feverish,overheat easily. As a matter of fact, I walked from 42nd Street to Penn Station a few years ago in 5 degree weather and arrived sweating.
My fear is that these types of machines will be used at airports and healthy people like me will be flagged for not conforming to "normal" body temperature readings. BTW, I am a healthy, athletic 36 year old woman.
Posted on: 2009/6/17 18:14
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Does this mean they'll stop "randomly" picking me when I don't shave to search my bag?
Hope my lunch doesn't look bomb-like. 
Posted on: 2009/6/17 16:36
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Sweet, I'm def going to hang out there and watch.
Posted on: 2009/6/17 13:01
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hmm.... Wouldn't it be more fun and productive to go one day with a message on your body? like I was thinking, aluminum foil somehow on your body with a message? like "F... You", or if you want to be cute something else of your choosing? Even better if one day it could be organize that a lot of people go with secret messages on their body. Take a letter size paper, glue the aluminum foil for a message? and coordinate it so that we all do it the same day? at least, all the privacy lovers, freedom believers? because I am sorry but I think we are losing more and more freedom in this country. It seems that now we are all presumed guilty unless proven innocent, which seems to be the contrary to what I learnt when I was in school...
Posted on: 2009/6/17 3:25
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JCase wrote: The OP is talking about a test of passive millimeter wave units. They don't see through your clothes. ianmac47 wrote: Its not a system that is very invasive, but once we acclimate to this system, then its a very short distance to full body scans. Also, let's be clear, this is not about a screening for a specific threat, but simply becoming standard procedure.
Posted on: 2009/6/16 2:25
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In addition to the obvious flaws in such a system and its appeal to the fear-based society bred of the past decade, has anyone asked who gets to pay for this? When do we get to say "enough is enough"???? I thought the end of Cheney would have been the end of this nonsense.
Why should the PA continue to bloat its security/police payroll to titillate the paranoid terror fetishists among us?? Put the money into making the G-Damned train run and put more trains into service rather than giving us an amateur show that accomplishes little, if anything.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 17:31
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It's probably set in stone already, with more to come.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 12:29
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Very insightful. Still disturbing from a 4th amendment standpoint. And still useless if someone with intent to harm gets as far as the checkpoint before being detected. Also seems more than a little disingenuous to call this a "test" as they appear to be using these things all over the place. I think what they're testing is public acceptance of (yet more) surveillance.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 12:27
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Maintain that fear, just like the pig's-ass flu - no more have actually died then any other seasonal flu.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 12:16
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......of different sizes
Posted on: 2009/6/12 11:18
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So someone get a lawyer and take them to court. Just because they are doing it doesn't make it legal. The supreme court has struck down activities government agencies were doing for years.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 4:32
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The system is not nearly as invasive as the TSA full body x-ray machines. Its little more than standard video footage with a color coded bar indicating potential threat.
However, regardless of the invasive nature of these machines, if these things are to be installed for security reasons, there is little to prevent them from being installed on the street. Or mounted on a truck and driven past your home. Security-- sure. Where do you draw the line? Is it really enough to screen random people entering a subway? Why not random cars on the interstate, or pedestrians on the sidewalk, or why not simply inspect everyones' home once a week? Its not a system that is very invasive, but once we acclimate to this system, then its a very short distance to full body scans. Also, let's be clear, this is not about a screening for a specific threat, but simply becoming standard procedure.
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I'm gonna put a cucumber down the front of my pants then they'll ask why I have 2 cucumbers in my pants.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 4:10
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The OP is talking about a test of passive millimeter wave units. They don't see through your clothes.
More on Passive Millimeter Wave Technology http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2008/09/more- ... sive-millimeter-wave.html Some folks are getting the wrong idea that the SPO-7 passive millimeter wave technology used at Denver and Minneapolis-St. Paul airports during the recent conventions is a mobile Millimeter Wave portal and can see through clothing. That?s not the case. These are two separate technologies that look for threats in different ways. The Millimeter Wave portal - the booth you walk into at checkpoints in certain airports - penetrates garments and provides an image. The SPO-7, which uses passive millimeter wave technology to detect threats from a distance, produces an image, but it?s simply the type of image you would see on a video camera. Images are not stored. The SPO-7 unit consists of two separate sensors and a monitoring location. By simultaneously comparing the illumination levels from two locations on an individual?s body, the SPO-7 detects potential threats such as suicide vests and other improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that are hidden under individuals? clothing. On the screen, it produces a light, using a red-to-green scale, that suggests anomalies such as the presence of explosives. That's why the screen and the officer viewing the screen doesn't need to be in a remote location.... ...And lastly, to address safety and privacy concerns, the SPO-7 does not shoot X-rays or any other type of radiation at people. It merely measures energy that emanates from the human body. Signage is prominently displayed where the SPO-7 is used to notify the public. SPO-7 enables TSA to add an unpredictable security measure without adding inconvenience to passengers. Here are some screen shots of what the operator sees:  [/quote]
Posted on: 2009/6/12 3:29
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"help wanted: voyeurs and creeps to oggle thirteen year old girls and post-menopausal women. bonuses given if you spot and record enhancements"
Posted on: 2009/6/12 2:15
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I was screened this morning at Exchange Place and didn't think anything of it. Now seeing the images it produces and remembering that there were like 5 people behind the system watching the screen (I was the only one coming in at the time) makes me feel a little invaded... Not sure about this. I don't mind extra safety to not worry as much, but not sure I trust the people operating the machines 100%.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 2:06
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Actually it takes away your freedom to not be screened. In other words it takes away your choice, which in reality means you loose your freedom. I personally dont mind the screening, but I just wanted to correct and point out that your statement is incorrect. 
Posted on: 2009/6/12 2:01
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I was also told that exchange place would be the only station they would be screening at.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 1:58
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I love FREEDOM and I have nothing hide...Security Screening will not take away anyone's FREEDOM unless you have something to hide..
Posted on: 2009/6/12 1:56
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I was screened this morning at exchange place. WHATEVER. No biggie, no delay, no complain.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 1:55
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I think everyone enjoys their FREEDOM. FREEDOM is what makes this country great. As a matter of fact, I do not want the PA taking away my FREEDOM to not be scanned. I love FREEDOM.
Posted on: 2009/6/12 1:46
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debop wrote: A sacrafice or should I say a small inconvience is a small price to pay for my FREEDOM or my safety
Posted on: 2009/6/12 0:52
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so has anyone here actually been screened yet? and if so, what's the upshot?
Posted on: 2009/6/12 0:34
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A sacrafice or should I say a small inconvience is a small price to pay for my FREEDOM or my safety
Posted on: 2009/6/11 23:41
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No, no. I'll take the hit on this. I did mean jennymayla. No offense intended. And I'm not blowing a gasket. I have no intention of belittling anyone's opinion. I'm just taken aback when people aren't riled up when the government takes away their rights. This would appear to be an illegal search. (I'm not a lawyer.) IMO the reason it's OK with airports is EVERYONE is subject to the same search. This, on the other hand, is crap. You can circumvent this by using another station, another entrance to Exchange Place, etc. What next? Buses? NY Waterway? Turnpike toll booths? And if this is the same technology as the "virtual strip search" that TSA says they've taken great pains to ensure the privacy of the traveler then why aren't they taking the same steps here? TSA had what appears to be the same portable system in the Minneapolis airport last summer at the conclusion of the Republican convention. It was right outside the security checkpoint observing people in line. There was no warning (that I'm aware of) to the public. There were no signs near the equipment informing the public of what they were doing. There were two or three guys sitting at a table about ten feet from the tripod-mounted scanner watching whatever it is they can see on their screens and steering the scanner to look at different subjects.
Posted on: 2009/6/11 20:07
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And that is precisely the point here: It's doubtful they're making anyone any safer. It's "security theater" (I love that term!) You see action and equate it with progress. (If they are scanning me or making me take my shoes off, it must be making me safer.)
Posted on: 2009/6/11 15:50
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Bingo. I think that sums it up nicely!
Posted on: 2009/6/11 15:44
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